JUDGE ROY MOORE NEEDS OUR HELP!

World Net Daily ^ | November 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[lugsoul]

It is both - but the second only relates to the government cramming down your throat.

[lugsoul]

"laws that don't exist"

Sorry you feel that way about the Bill of Rights.

[Labyrinthos]

Here's my talking points...

Sorry that you have to rely upon canned talking points rather than addressing my specific responses to your questions. I'm sure there's a place for you on the DNC.

[Gelato]

There is no provision for a jail sentence in this situation, and Roy knows this.

He didn't raise the issue. Others did. On national TV, others asked him if he would be willing to go to jail over this issue. I believe his answer was yes.

You said he should be "willing" to accept the consequences. He stated he would be. Still, he is fighting to the end, and completely justified in doing so.

Easy to do when the consequences are so light.

There was nothing easy about what Judge Moore did. And the consequences he's already suffered are nothing to scoff at.

[Poohbah]

He didn't raise the issue. Others did. On national TV, others asked him if he would be willing to go to jail over this issue. I believe his answer was yes.

OK, you're telling me that he was intentionally deceitful; in saying "Yeah, I'm willing to go to jail over this," he's implying that jail is a real possibility. It isn't, and he knows it.

My opinion of him is getting lower and lower.

You said he should be "willing" to accept the consequences. He stated he would be. Still, he is fighting to the end, and completely justified in doing so.

It's one thing to argue that; it's another thing to invoke "civil disobedience" as a magic-carpet to avoid consequences, as you did.

And the consequences he's already suffered are nothing to scoff at.

Yeah, he's on vacation. Whoop-de-do! Some consequences!

[Gelato]

HANNITY: Could you be...could you end up in jail for this?

MOORE: Well, that's up to the judge, of course.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,94216,00.html

In other words, the judge could have sent Moore to jail. No one knew what would happen.

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Ten Commandments Judge: 'If I Go to Jail, I Go to Jail'

Rally in Support of Judge Roy Moore Slated for August 16th

By Bill Fancher and Jody Brown August 8, 2003

[snip]

Moore said he has no fear of the consequences. "If I go to jail, I go to jail," he told Hannity, "but I've got to do my duty. I took an oath." The chief justice said he swore to uphold the state and federal constitutions, but that the U.S. Constitution has been misinterpreted by courts to forbid acknowledgment of God -- an acknowledgment that he says Alabama's constitution requires.

http://www.investigatemagazine.com/_NEWSTALK/00001203.htm

[Poohbah]

HANNITY: Could you be...could you end up in jail for this?

MOORE: Well, that's up to the judge, of course.

Notice that he didn't give a simple yes/no answer to a simple yes/no question?

The more I hear about or from him, the less I find to admire.

[Gelato]

The answer to the question is in the next quote:

"If I go to jail, I go to jail."

[Poohbah]

That's not a yes/no answer to that question.

Maybe his inability to give a straight answer is genetic--he IS, after all, a lawyer.

[verity]

Let hime fend for himself.

[verity]

hime=him

[Gelato]

That's not a yes/no answer to that question. Maybe his inability to give a straight answer is genetic--he IS, after all, a lawyer.

You argue like one.

He was asked COULD you go to jail. He said he didn't know. It was up to the judge.

Asked more directly on a different occasion of H&C if he would be willing to go to jail, he said, "If I go to jail, I go to jail."

Your concerns are addressed.

[Poohbah]

He was asked COULD you go to jail. He said he didn't know. It was up to the judge.

Do you support designating English as America's official language? If so, please learn how to read and write in English. Thank you.

"Could you go to jail?" is a query with a boolean answer--either yes, he COULD (i.e., it is within the possible range of consequences) go to jail, or no, he COULD NOT (i.e., it is NOT within the possible range of consequences).

It's not up to the judge if he COULD go to jail; either the judge has the power to sentence him to jail, or the judge does not have the power.

Asked more directly on a different occasion of H&C if he would be willing to go to jail, he said, "If I go to jail, I go to jail."

Yup. That time out, there wasn't even a question of whether or not such an outcome was possible.

[hedgetrimmer]

Please inform yourself of the Christian tradition of the founding of this country. Here is an example from the Massachusetts charter,which declared that one of the "principle ends of the plantation" was to enable all, citizens and officers included, to acknowledge the Christian faith and to pass it along in a peaceable and orderly way to the natives of the country.

...whereby our said People, Inhabitants there, may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good Life and orderlie Conversation, maie wynn and incite the Natives of Country, to the Knowledg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Savior of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intention, and the Adventurers free Profession, is the principall Ende of this Plantation.
--Charter Of Massachusetts Bay (1629)

[Central Scrutiniser]

Moore is an idiot, and its a silly non issue.

[Poohbah]

If you're arguing that the Charter of Massachusetts Bay has the force of law in this matter, then this excerpt from the same paragraph you quoted is of interest:

from tyme to tyme, to make, ordeine, and establishe all Manner of wholesome and reasonable Orders, Lawes, Statutes, and Ordinances, Directions, and Instructions, not contrairie to the Lawes of this our Realme of England

Hmm.

[Gelato]

Do you support designating English as America's official language? If so, please learn how to read and write in English. Thank you.

I'm sorry my expressions are beyond your comprehension.

"Could you go to jail?" is a query with a boolean answer--either yes, he COULD (i.e., it is within the possible range of consequences) go to jail, or no, he COULD NOT (i.e., it is NOT within the possible range of consequences).

And, if you notice, Judge Moore answered accordingly: it's up to the judge. He conceded it was within the range of possible consequences.

It's not up to the judge if he COULD go to jail; either the judge has the power to sentence him to jail, or the judge does not have the power.

His answer was clear: the judge could order him to jail if the judge deemed it necessary.

Asked more directly on a different occasion of H&C if he would be willing to go to jail, he said, "If I go to jail, I go to jail." Yup. That time out, there wasn't even a question of whether or not such an outcome was possible.

The next day? These interviews were August 7th and August 8th.

[Poohbah]

And, if you notice, Judge Moore answered accordingly: it's up to the judge. He conceded it was within the range of possible consequences.

No, he didn't; he merely tried to make it LOOK like he did.

Good grief, learn the difference between "could" and "would."

[hedgetrimmer]

Sometimes it is a good thing to remember how this country got its start. It is important to understand that the country was found on a christian ethic. Until recent years it was never against the law to use christian creed, prayer or ethics in a public place because one of the formost reasons for emigration to America was so that the pilgrims, puritans, quakers, scots irish protestants (all christians) could freely exercise their religion.

Now we have a minority group of atheists who want to reform society and take away a right to speak and pray and worship God that has been hard fought since before the American Revolution.

To try to force the ten commandments out of public life is to refute the origin of this country, and it is a symptom of the effort force America into a soviet style secular society.

If you look into the past, secular societies have not been very good for individual rights-- France after the revolution, and France today are fine examples. And of course we all know about the soviet union, don't we? And China? And Cuba? Do Americans really want to go there? I think they don't.

[Gelato]

Good grief, learn the difference between "could" and "would."

He answered the "could" question with a "could" answer. He answered the "would" question with a "would" answer.

Shall we continue cutting this hair? It's getting quite thin.