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Affirmative Action Bake Sale at Indiana University
The Hoosier Review ^ | 11-4-03 | Zach Wendling

Posted on 11/04/2003 2:38:11 PM PST by Rush Reagan

Yum! Cookies Well, it's finally come to IU. The Committee for Freedom will be holding an Affirmative Action Bakesale tomorrow, Wednesday, November 4th in Dunn Meadow from 12:30 pm until 2:00 pm. According to the press release, "Cookies will be sold at different prices based on race and gender. White males will pay $1 per cookie, white females will pay 75 cents, Hispanics will pay 50 cents, and cookies will cost 25 cents for blacks."

Stephan Jerabek, President of The Committee for Freedom, said, "Through this bake sale, we hope to highlight the absurdity of preferences based on race, ethnicity, or gender." Bakesale patrons will also be given the chance to sign a petition calling on IU to change university policy to prohibit the collection of racial data.

As a side note here guys there is probably going to be a huge backlash on campus from this. Any support you Freepers can give us in terms of letters to the editor or anything else will be greatly appreciated. I will post a message after the bakesale to tell you guys how to respond if you want.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; bakesale; indianauniversity; iu; preferences; quotas; racism
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1 posted on 11/04/2003 2:38:11 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
Sounds like my kind of fun. Wear your hard hat.
2 posted on 11/04/2003 2:41:13 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Rush Reagan
That date's wrong. :P Good luck, anyhow.
3 posted on 11/04/2003 2:41:44 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Rush Reagan
Wednesday, November 4th

Oops! Wednesday is the 5th.

4 posted on 11/04/2003 2:48:50 PM PST by reg45
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To: Rush Reagan
Obviously discrimination of the worst sort. Hispanic women and black women should pay less than hispanic males and black males. Surely this will be corrected.
5 posted on 11/04/2003 2:56:19 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul
Dure, but how much are Hoosiers paying? What race are they anyway?
6 posted on 11/04/2003 2:59:21 PM PST by Evil Inc
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To: Rush Reagan
If you can, video tape the entire episode. Just make sure your people are at high alert and good behavior. Don't let the lefties bait you into acting like them.
7 posted on 11/04/2003 3:05:36 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: Rush Reagan
Videotape, videotape, videotape.

When the libs act - and they almost certainly will - catch it on camera and distribute it as widely as possible, especially to the office of the President of your university.
8 posted on 11/04/2003 3:09:40 PM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Evil Inc
The Creation of Indiana

Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael the Archangel found him, resting on the seventh day. He inquired of God, "Where have you been?" God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look Michael, look what I've made."

Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?"

"It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put Life on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a great place of balance."

"Balance?", inquired Michael, still confused.

God explained, pointing to different parts of earth, "For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a hot spot. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people," God continued, pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be very cold and covered in ice."

The Archangel, impressed by God's work, then pointed to a large land mass and said, "What's that one?"

"Ah," said God. "That's INDIANA, the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful lakes, rivers, sunsets and rolling hills. The people from INDIANA are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they are going to be found traveling the world. They will be extremely sociable, hard working and high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers of peace."

Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed,"What about balance, God?" ... "You said there would be balance!"

God replied wisely, "Wait until you see the idiots I'm putting around them in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, & Illinois."


9 posted on 11/04/2003 3:11:11 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Rush Reagan
I will try to call Garrison on WIBC tomorrow to get his reaction.( I know he will like it)

BTW Is Bloomington going to have a Republican mayor on wednesday too?

10 posted on 11/04/2003 3:15:01 PM PST by sausageseller
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To: sausageseller
We certianly hope we are going to have a Republican mayor. We will most likely have a Republican City Council for the first time in 30 years.
11 posted on 11/04/2003 3:18:29 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Legerdemain
You forgot the part where the devil created Hammond and Gary as his own personal theme park.
12 posted on 11/04/2003 3:20:35 PM PST by Campion
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To: Evil Inc
Dure, but how much are Hoosiers paying? What race are they anyway?

Definately below a Boilermaker. / Purdue grad
13 posted on 11/04/2003 3:23:20 PM PST by lelio
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To: Legerdemain
I can attest to that, I'm from Illinois, my eldest daughter is born Hoosier(Boilermaker actually), the next 2 were Buckeyes, and I have toured the other states extensively. Being a Neo-Buckeye my opinions of Michigan are prejudiced. Kentucky is beautiful but, well, some of the folks are civilized in the big cities. (kidding)
14 posted on 11/04/2003 3:27:57 PM PST by Evil Inc
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To: Campion
ahhh...the devil may have Hammond and Gary, but God has Yellowwood Forest and Bean Blossom in the Fall......wishing I was back in Southern Indiana in the Fall........
15 posted on 11/04/2003 3:34:35 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Rush Reagan
Ahhh, Dunn Meadow, my favorite place to hang out while I was supposed to be in class (hope my Mom's not a FReeper reading this). Does anyone know if Mad Max is still around (or some semblance of him) or the other guy (Dan I think). They were a riot!

16 posted on 11/04/2003 3:46:09 PM PST by Okies love Dubya 2 (IU attendee 1991-1995)
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
I haven't heard of those names before, but I'm only a Sophomore here so some of the older CRs and stuff might know who you're talking about.
17 posted on 11/04/2003 3:49:42 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
They were these two preacher guys who stood around campus and shouted about us all going to hell because we were immoral college students. Max's favorite hangout was out there between Ballantine (sp?) and Woodburn Halls. Dan floated a bit. A lot of students would stand there and argue with them or just mock them. Dan was the mellower of the two from what I remember. Max wasn't a spring chicken back then, so he may not even be alive anymore.

P.S. Good luck with the sale...I know how hard it is to be a conservative on that campus :)
18 posted on 11/04/2003 4:08:46 PM PST by Okies love Dubya 2 (IU attendee 1991-1995)
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To: Rush Reagan
Indiana has a University?

good luck...make sure you know in advance what you'll say to the University gestspo (administration) when the tell you to stop.

19 posted on 11/04/2003 4:18:37 PM PST by Drango (Democratic fund rasing... If PBS won't do it, who will?)
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To: Drango
Indiana has a University?

Not only that, but they invented basketball.

20 posted on 11/04/2003 4:29:59 PM PST by wheelgunguru
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To: Evil Inc
What race are they anyway?

It's not a race. It's a personality type. Back in the pioneer days people in Indiana were fond of gang fighting. A tactic was to bite off the ear of the opponent.

After the fighting was over, they'd hold up the bitten-off ears and say, "Hoosh-ear?" They later became known as "Hoosiers."

21 posted on 11/04/2003 4:32:58 PM PST by wheelgunguru
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
Oh ok I know who you are talking about. I have heard stories from my older friends about Preacher Dan. Preacher Dan wasn't hear last year but there was somone just like him saying and doing all the things you talked about. Nothing so far this year though.
22 posted on 11/04/2003 4:41:31 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Drango
We've already started planning a response to this. Hhehehe
23 posted on 11/04/2003 4:42:28 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
I love this spreading idea!!!!
24 posted on 11/04/2003 5:43:09 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
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To: MonroeDNA
Yea me too! The whole idea is to get as much attention from conservative across Indiana and the nation as we can to try to fight off the liberals here on this one. This place is great for that.
25 posted on 11/04/2003 5:45:19 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: wheelgunguru
"Not only that, but they invented basketball."

Perhaps some day the folks in Bloomington will discover a sport to play in the Fall, prior to roundball season.
26 posted on 11/04/2003 6:58:24 PM PST by Chu Gary
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To: Rush Reagan
Best of luck tomorrow. Don't forget to smile, smile, smile no matter what they say to you because the one time you frown, your picture will be taken. LOL.

Stay safe and please post an after action report.
27 posted on 11/04/2003 8:15:40 PM PST by Flora McDonald (God bless our Troops and our President)
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To: Chu Gary
Perhaps some day the folks in Bloomington will discover a sport to play in the Fall, prior to roundball season.

What? There are no sports other than basketball.

28 posted on 11/04/2003 9:15:37 PM PST by wheelgunguru
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To: Campion
You forgot the part where the devil created Hammond and Gary as his own personal theme park.

Hey, watch it! Hammond's my home town!

29 posted on 11/04/2003 9:22:46 PM PST by Shethink13
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To: Rush Reagan
Google: Rush Limbaugh real estate tax Palm Beach.
30 posted on 11/04/2003 9:29:17 PM PST by Jackie
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To: Legerdemain
Bean Blossom in the Fall.....

Oh Lordy, I loved Bean Blossom! Bill Monroe and grannies in rocking lawn chairs. (Didn't even know they made rocking lawn chairs til then.) Just fabulous. I suspect my kids are the only kids in Maryland that know the words to Rocky Top.

Yellowwood... 1st and only experience with a rattle that wasn't behind glass. Not totally excited to go back there but should consider Southern Indiana for a road trip next fall. A good friend of my hubby is a conservative IU prof. Thanks for getting my vaca wheels spinning!

31 posted on 11/04/2003 9:33:39 PM PST by lizma
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To: Okies love Dubya 2; Rush Reagan
Max's favorite hangout was out there between Ballantine (sp?) and Woodburn Halls

I remember Max in the 80's. I'd say he was anywhere from his late forties to early sixties back then. (Sorry, can't pin-point it more than that. I was on my way to class. Organic Chemistry and the cute guy in the next apartment was much more important than some IU color and anything political.)

RR let us know how things go for you tomorrow. We're pulling for you.

32 posted on 11/04/2003 9:59:01 PM PST by lizma
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To: Rush Reagan
I am from the Davis College Republicans at the University of California at Davis. Yeah you probably will get a backlash in the school paper. We did that out here at davis and someone wrote "Racist Pigs" in chalk in front of our table. Stay the course though. The more they get pissed off, the bigger the impact you are making.
33 posted on 11/04/2003 10:59:14 PM PST by Better Dead Than Red (Davis College Republicans (Best Party on Campus))
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To: Rush Reagan
I love it!
34 posted on 11/04/2003 11:00:40 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Rush Reagan
Will they be selling crackers too?
35 posted on 11/05/2003 12:18:53 AM PST by ppaul
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To: lormand; thoughtomator
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/145305_robert24xx.html

Free speech got burned at bake sale

Friday, October 24, 2003


By ROBERT L. JAMIESON JR.
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST

Those crazy, right-wing college kids -- they're back at it.

The latest hubbub involves an anti-affirmative-action bake sale at the University of Washington.

On Oct. 8, the UW College Republicans decided to spark "a dialogue" about perceived inequities resulting from affirmative action in college admissions and society.

Never mind that voters approved Initiative 200, which virtually wiped out affirmative action in our state.

The campus conservatives put a table outside the student union and sold cookies on a sliding scale: a quarter for Native Americans; 30 cents for African Americans; 35 cents for Latinos; 50 cents for Pacific Islanders; 95 cents for Asian Americans; and a buck for whites.

Jason Chambers, the 22-year-old president of the College Republicans, believed the bake sale would rile people up. Did it ever.

The UW Board of Regents puffed out its chest, firing off a huffy letter Monday.

"The 'statements' of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the University community," wrote Jerry Grinstein, President of the Board of Regents.

"Learning is not advanced when the dialogue is demeaning and disrespectful," the letter on behalf of the regents went on to say. "We are deeply disappointed that ... the bake sale statement did not embrace the basic value of respect for ... student colleagues and others of the university community."

The campus student paper jumped into the fray.

"If the (Republican group) did not predict outcry from student groups, it must be incredibly naïve," the Daily screamed on its editorial page. "Race has been such a sensitive issue on campus."

OK, everyone. Take a deep breath.

Aren't folks being a little too thin-skinned, too knee-jerking liberal?

I never thought I would be one to say this, but the cabal of college Republicans should be allowed to bake up controversy, even if it's in bad taste.

Free speech is a cornerstone of our society, even stupid speech. The bake sale was a prima facie case of idiocy. There was so little context or content to the sale that made affirmative action out to be some sort of subsidy. Intellectually speaking, the stunt was like cookies -- a light snack when what we need is a full-course meal.

But if you can't have a free exchange of ideas -- no matter how repugnant or objectionable -- on a university campus, then, where can you?

Seattle resident Thomas Merry touched on that point in a letter in Wednesday's Wall Street Journal. He was responding to an opinion piece about the ideological climate at universities.

"One would not dare question certain 'truths' in the classroom for fear of being ostracized, vilified," Merry wrote. "An independent-minded renegade chooses instead to bite his tongue rather than face the inevitable wrath of his peers and, worse, his instructor who ought to be facilitating an honest, open dialogue. There is no more dialogue on American campuses."

Chambers, of the College Republicans, agrees. "People are nervous to let their conservative views be known in class," the senior from a small town in Lewis County told me. "They're afraid of being shot down. It's tough."

Problem is, the approach taken by bake-sale organizers doesn't make the going easier. Such tactics divide the campus community and fail to bring people together to talk about a thorny issue.

The College Republicans would be better off holding a forum for the whole campus fostering civil discourse. The tongue-in-cheek bake sale, which has been replicated on other campuses, is bound to lead to misinterpretation -- and did at the UW. A couple of students rushed the bake-sale stand and tore up signs.

The response by university muckety-mucks was heavy-handed, too.

Was the bake sale illegal? Nope. Was it as incendiary as students walking through campus wearing white sheets? Not close. Yet, if you pressed your ear to the Ivory Tower, you'd be left with an impression this was an open-and-shut case of moral reprehensibility.

"Repugnant," Regent Craig Cole thundered to The Daily. "Intentionally divisive."

"It hurt me," Student Regent Darlene Mortel added. "I'm all for free speech ... but there is a very thin line when free speech becomes hateful speech, becomes violent speech."

She's right. The problem is that "thin line" seems to shift arbitrarily.

The College Republicans say a feminist group held a campus bake sale to highlight salary disparities between men and women. But hardly anyone said boo about that. The Daily didn't pen hellfire editorials. The Board of Regents didn't slap wrists.

The PC police never left the station.

Smells like a double standard.

"Parody is part of the American game," Regent William Gates Sr. was quoted as saying. "I will not be party to any sort of board action to criticize what (the College Republicans) did."

And I won't criticize the intent of the College Republicans -- that is, if they were being sincere about bringing serious attention to a hot-button issue. But I will slam them for choosing a method that drowned out their meaning.

If these students want constructive dialogue, they'd do well to bring gravitas to their approach.

Otherwise, they're coming out of the oven half-baked.


P-I columnist Robert L. Jamieson Jr. can be reached at 206-448-8125 or robertjamieson@seattlepi.com

© 1998-2003 Seattle Post-Intelligencer

36 posted on 11/05/2003 12:30:23 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
They did this at the University of Richmond too.
37 posted on 11/05/2003 6:21:04 AM PST by VA_Gentleman
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To: VA_Gentleman
Also at the University of Southern Indiana about a month ago.
38 posted on 11/05/2003 6:52:58 AM PST by wordsofearnest (He'll rip your lungs out Jim, I'd like to meet his tailor.)
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To: ppaul
"It hurt me," Student Regent Darlene Mortel added. "I'm all for free speech ... but there is a very thin line when free speech becomes hateful speech, becomes violent speech."

Darlene, you stupid expletive-deleted, it's a bake sale, not a lynching. I'm guessing that this person is a student, since she's a Student Regent, and if so, she should be expelled immediately for being so stupid.

If she's a University employee, she should be fired for the same reason.

39 posted on 11/05/2003 7:02:08 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: ppaul
Good post.

The bake sale idea is generating controversy but is not doing much to spread the real message as in reality, there is no such thing as government pricing discrimination in the market (that I am aware of anyway). What would be better (IMHO) would be to:

Offer people $5 to take a test, minorities are automatically given between 15-25 points before they write their names on their papers.

Start an athletic team and turn away people after you have reached a certain number of your quota. After all, if blacks only make up a certain % of the overall population than they cannot be overly represented in the club. Explain that even though some of the black students are better athletes, you cannot take away opportunities for other students.

Sponsor a debate between minorities and whites/asians. The minorities are allowed to use any language they care to but white students are automatically subjected to sensitivity training or even harsher penalties when the minority side doesn't like their response.

Have a big campus club day and post a sign telling people that Black, hispanic, gay, women and other special interest groups are allowed to attend but that white student clubs are not because of their racist and non-inclusive views.

Post sign-ups for two day-long programs in two different locations. The first option is a black students day event filled with guest speakers to discuss black issues such as civil rights, affirmative action, reparations and racism. The second option will be to have a Conservative Club rally where speakers will come to discuss issues like free speach, affirmative action, quotas and other conservative discussion points. Then go back and measure:

Positive Press for the black students event and the negative press for the conservative one.

The time it takes to have the university cave in on the conservative event.

The amount of times racism is used by minorities and the amount of anti-white comments made at the black students event.
40 posted on 11/05/2003 7:10:56 AM PST by misterrob
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To: misterrob
there is no such thing as government pricing discrimination in the market (that I am aware of anyway).

Actually, I retract that thought....we have government subsidies for a whole host of things.....

Rest of my point still stands.....
41 posted on 11/05/2003 7:13:00 AM PST by misterrob
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To: misterrob
there is no such thing as government pricing discrimination in the market (that I am aware of anyway).

SS. Set aside in contracting for minority owned business , is another.

42 posted on 11/05/2003 7:57:34 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: Rush Reagan
Ever since these bakesales have been occurring, I have been considering a spinoff of the idea: the Reparations Bakesale.

Cookie prices:

$10 if you are, or ever were, a slavemaster

$5 if you are white, or even look like you have entertained the idea of having a slave

$.50 if you are of a minority group that are not claiming reparation

$.25 for any black person that came here after the Civil War (or the Civil Rights Act) and wants a piece of the action

$.15 to any black person that may have had a relative that might have been a slave or known one

Free to any current slaves or any living former slaves.

I am sure this could be fine tuned, but it would make an excellent point: nobody should be getting charged $10 or getting free cookies, and they are the only ones that arguably deserve to be in the reparations discussion.

43 posted on 11/05/2003 8:38:53 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Rush Reagan
Might want to drop a line to The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE: http://www.thefire.org/index.php).

Give them a heads-up, as they fight over-zealous administrators and leftist-loonies.

Be sure to tape the day, as truth is only as real as your accredited victim/minority status---though many times truth is no defense as far as leftisit administrators are concerned.
44 posted on 11/05/2003 8:56:40 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ppaul
"The 'statements' of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the University community," wrote Jerry Grinstein, President of the Board of Regents.

So is Affirmative Action, you clod. That was the point!

45 posted on 11/05/2003 11:10:29 AM PST by Ignatz (Helping people be more like me since 1960.)
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To: Rush Reagan
The bake sale idea was sorta funny when Rush first came up with it (but definitely not his funniest bit). Now it's lost its originality, and "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd" still leaves you looking, well, absurd. As Rush always says: "don't try this at home, folks".
46 posted on 11/05/2003 12:15:12 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: ppaul
Problem is, the approach taken by bake-sale organizers doesn't make the going easier. Such tactics divide the campus community and fail to bring people together to talk about a thorny issue.

People have a right to freedom of speech, but it has to be done "the right way," so as not to "divide people." Yeah, right. Why doesn't he just come out and honestly say, he doesn't believe in FA rights for conservatives? Because that would be less effective than equivocation and double-talk.

47 posted on 11/05/2003 1:11:50 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: pawdoggie
I disagree. Public universities are still engaging in affirmative action, even when it violates state laws. As long as AA reigns, and students cannot challenge it in the classroom, we need bake sales. Or are you saying that AA may not be challenged? Or just not in a "tasteless, divisive" fashion? One of the laws of ethics is, "If you desire the ends, you desire the means." Since bake sales are often the only means for challenging AA on campus, you are saying that you oppose any challenge to AA.
48 posted on 11/05/2003 1:16:44 PM PST by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Jackie
Huh?
49 posted on 11/05/2003 1:19:18 PM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: Rush Reagan
Welcome to FR, RR.

These bake sales are great. I'm just waiting to see a black conservative capitalist student booth set up next to the bake sale.

An enterprising student could make a fortune and teach something about capitalism as well. :)
50 posted on 11/05/2003 1:26:16 PM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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