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The Anti-American Right
NewsMax ^ | November 5, 2003 | Jack Wheeler

Posted on 11/04/2003 3:08:17 PM PST by quidnunc

Sounds like an oxymoron, doesn’t it? It’s the Left — liberals, left-wingers, socialists, commies, pinkos, the Noam Chomskys and Alec Baldwins and Barbra Streisands — that hates America. But the Right – good old flag-waving patriotic God Bless America conservatives? How could they possibly be anti-American? It sounds ridiculous.

Yet whatever sense or nonsense it makes, anti-Americanism is seeping into the entire conservative movement and is threatening to splinter it into pieces.

I’m not talking about the racist nuts, the white supremacists and militia types. I’m talking about mainstream heartland conservatives. Howard Phillips, head of the famed Conservative Caucus, is one of the founders of the entire modern conservative movement in America. He is a dear friend whom I care for personally, with whom I worked closely on organizing support for the Reagan Doctrine in dismantling the Soviet Empire.

Yet Howard Phillips’ writings and speeches now are indistinguishable from those of Howard Dean’s in their outpouring of vitriol and condemnation of President Bush, accusing him of “war crimes against the people of Iraq.”

Jon Utley, an influential conservative writer and activist of long anti-Communist standing during the Cold War, has simply gone around the bend in his hatred for everything America does in terms of foreign policy and everything the Bush administration does, foreign and domestic.

The same is true for conservative economist Paul Craig Roberts, whose syndicated columns have become so rabid that they seem deranged with hate – such as the claim that the Bush administration is “organizing genocide for Arabs.”

David Keene, head of the American Conservative Union, organizer of the annual C-PAC conference (the largest gathering of conservatives in the country) and member of the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association, is now in bed with the ACLU in its efforts to demonize Attorney General John Ashcroft and prevent the Patriot Act from catching Moslem terrorists.

Former Congressman Bob Barr, who led the impeachment of Bill Clinton in Congress and is also an NRA board member, has become a paid whore for the ACLU, and now makes a living bashing Bush and Ashcroft.

The single most influential conservative activist in Washington, Grover Norquist, is being investigated by the FBI for his long-standing connections to a network of financiers of Moslem terrorists.

There are many people in Washington who look upon Grover as the conservative movement’s most valuable asset. His Americans for Tax Reform is in the forefront of the entire conservative tax reduction effort.

Yet ATR shares office space and staff with the Islamic Institute at 1920 L Street. The same receptionist answers both groups’ phones. Grover is the founding chairman of the Islamic Institute and got the seed money from Abdurahman Alamoudi, just indicted by federal prosecutors for financial connections to al-Qaeda terrorists.

Grover is the conservative movement’s “gatekeeper” to Karl Rove and the White House, yet he is doing everything he can to demonize John Ashcroft, recently appearing on a panel with Alec Baldwin to denounce the attorney general.

Grover is amazingly smart, talented and influential. The source of his pro-Moslem obsession and his passionate defense of radical Moslems linked to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda is a mystery to many.

The source of many conservatives’ and libertarians’ hatred for America is, however, no mystery: the baneful influence of the founder of the Libertarian Party, Murray Rothbard. He is the reason why so much of the entire libertarian movement is in bed with the hate-America left, and why so many conservatives are getting under the same covers.

The intellectual parents of the libertarian movement are philosopher Ayn Rand and economist Murray Rothbard, whose followers caused an ideological split in the movement in the 1970s. Randian libertarians are pro-defense, pro-America; Rothbardians are the opposite. Tragically, the latter seized control of the Libertarian Party and have not relinquished it since.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: acu; antiamericanism; antiwarright; bobbarr; conservatives; cpac; davidkeene; enemywithin; grovernorquist; howardphillips; jonutley; libertarians; norquist; paleocons; paulcraigroberts
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All of these people were staunch anti-Communists during the Cold War. Somehow they have lost their interest or their courage in opposing Islamism in the War on Moslem Terrorism.

Or maybe one they're bought, they stay bought.

1 posted on 11/04/2003 3:08:18 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
writings and speeches now are indistinguishable from those of Howard Dean’s in their outpouring of vitriol and condemnation of President Bush, accusing him of “war crimes against the people of Iraq

Seems Mr Phillips has some students who post regularly on Conservative Forums.

2 posted on 11/04/2003 3:13:12 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: quidnunc
Randian libertarians are pro-defense, pro-America; Rothbardians are the opposite.

Maybe in the past. But that's not what I hear coming out of the Rand Institute these-a-days.

3 posted on 11/04/2003 3:13:22 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: quidnunc
BTTT.

4 posted on 11/04/2003 3:13:49 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Grampa Dave; Howlin
Hey, who shall we ping?
5 posted on 11/04/2003 3:14:09 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (getting popcorn for this one.....)
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To: quidnunc
Interesting post. Most folk have probably never heard of Rothbard, however, including a good percentage of Libertarians.
6 posted on 11/04/2003 3:14:23 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Former Congressman Bob Barr, who led the impeachment of Bill Clinton in Congress and is also an NRA board member, has become a paid whore for the ACLU, and now makes a living bashing Bush and Ashcroft

Free Padilla!

7 posted on 11/04/2003 3:15:10 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: firebrand
The single most influential conservative activist in Washington, Grover Norquist, is being investigated by the FBI for his long-standing connections to a network of financiers of Moslem terrorists.

Oh my. Will wonders never cease?       :::snicker:::

8 posted on 11/04/2003 3:15:27 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (The LMDC can go to hell)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
RedBloodedAmerican wrote: (writings and speeches now are indistinguishable from those of Howard Dean’s in their outpouring of vitriol and condemnation of President Bush, accusing him of “war crimes against the people of Iraq) Seems Mr Phillips has some students who post regularly on Conservative Forums.

Howard Phillips is head of that dopey Constitution party.

9 posted on 11/04/2003 3:15:59 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
the article discounts racism, and calls them mainstream....i don't buy it. there just fascist, Jew haters out of the closet.
10 posted on 11/04/2003 3:18:11 PM PST by gdc61
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To: quidnunc
I wonder just how many Anti-Americans there are out there now. How many would there have to be before we feel really isolated?
11 posted on 11/04/2003 3:18:19 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Me caigo a mis rodillas y hablo a las estrellas de plata. "¿Qué misterios usted está encubriendo?")
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To: quidnunc; hchutch
The same is true for conservative economist Paul Craig Roberts, whose syndicated columns have become so rabid that they seem deranged with hate – such as the claim that the Bush administration is “organizing genocide for Arabs.”

Wonder if Paul Abdul-Craig al-Roberts has professed Shahada yet?

12 posted on 11/04/2003 3:19:29 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: quidnunc
Yet Howard Phillips’ writings and speeches now are indistinguishable from those of Howard Dean’s in their outpouring of vitriol and condemnation of President Bush, accusing him of “war crimes against the people of Iraq.”

Howard Phillips is pushing the Constitution Party over all else. He has no loyalty to President Bush.

13 posted on 11/04/2003 3:19:39 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: quidnunc
the article discounts racism, and calls them mainstream....i don't buy it. there just fascist, Jew haters out of the closet. sometimes anti-communist does mean fascist.
14 posted on 11/04/2003 3:19:42 PM PST by gdc61
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To: quidnunc
I think the libertarians have far more "Randians" than the other types. Most libertarians I meet are extremely strong on defense and other major issues...They just happen to be a bit more radical on economic policy, demanding at least a 90% reduction in taxes AND domestic government spending.
15 posted on 11/04/2003 3:19:52 PM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: Scenic Sounds
Scenic Sounds wrote: I wonder just how many Anti-Americans there are out there now. How many would there have to be before we feel really isolated?

Taliban Pat Buchanan got 0.42%± of the vote in the Y2K election.

16 posted on 11/04/2003 3:21:57 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Orwellian -- to be for America's best interests first is now anti-American.
17 posted on 11/04/2003 3:26:32 PM PST by ex-snook (Americans need Balanced Trade - we buy from you, you buy from us. No free rides.)
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To: quidnunc
The source of [Grover Norquist's] pro-Moslem obsession and his passionate defense of radical Moslems linked to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda is a mystery to many.

No mystery. Grover's either bought and paid for or he's a old-fashioned Jew-hating sonofabitch.

Most likely both.

18 posted on 11/04/2003 3:31:06 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Capitalism2003
"I think the libertarians have far more "Randians" than the other types. Most libertarians I meet are extremely strong on defense and other major issues...They just happen to be a bit more radical on economic policy, demanding at least a 90% reduction in taxes AND domestic government spending."

I would consider myself closer to libertarian than conservative, yet I am pro-defense, anti-abortion, pro-prayer and pro 10 commandments. Where I differ is 1) I don't do drugs nor want others to but believe the FDA and DEA and WOD are abomination, 2) I'd hack the education department to pieces 3) I'd cut taxes and welfare at the same time. If this combination makes me a crazy libertine, so be it.

19 posted on 11/04/2003 3:39:07 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
sounds to me like you are 80% libertarian, 20% Republican...

like me ;)
I still vote libertarian as a show of protest...I just can't stand the big spenders in the GOP...Bush is practically BEGGING congress to pass a massive to medicare entitlement that we don't need...and I certainly don't want to pay for for the next 40 years...I really have no option but to vote Libertarian.

http://www.LP.org
20 posted on 11/04/2003 3:44:31 PM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: quidnunc
Jack Wheeler panders too much to the emotions. There's room for sensible disagreement and rational discussion about foreign and military policy. We don't have to be dragooned by demagogues into this or that camp.

NewsMax was very critical of Clinton measures that it considered anti-liberty. Those who raise the same criticisms today may well be wrong, but NewsMax ought to at least give a fair hearing to those arguments. Circumstances may dictate a change in policy, but not the vilification of those one shares or shared principles with.

Rothbard has been a bad influence, but it's not clear that he's been that much of a factor within the Libertarian Party -- he has his own little Rockwellite clique or cult. He certainly was a utopianist, but he's not the only one to have painted himself into a corner or gone out on a limb. Some who are beating the war drums lately are quite radical and out of touch with the realm of political possibilities.

21 posted on 11/04/2003 3:53:34 PM PST by x
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To: quidnunc
More of the typical bull$hit. "You can't criticize anything America does because we're at war!" People who hold that line of thought prove how far we've fallen as a nation.

May the people who denounce Bush's right-wing critics as traitors be the first to feel the effects of a democrat using the PATRIOT Act. I for one will laugh my ass off when they get detained indefinitely.

22 posted on 11/04/2003 4:30:53 PM PST by CodeMonkey
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To: quidnunc
One of the dumbest articles pretending to be serious.

Somehow, to disagree with one policy or another is 'Anti-American' and many good and productive conservatives are tarred by this wacko's brush. A sentiment fitting for the Taliban mentality.
23 posted on 11/04/2003 5:19:06 PM PST by RJCogburn ("You have my thanks and, with certain reservations, my respect.".......Lawyer J. Noble Daggett)
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To: ModelBreaker
"Randian libertarians are pro-defense, pro-America; Rothbardians are the opposite."

Maybe in the past. But that's not what I hear coming out of the Rand Institute these-a-days.

Into the audiogram booth for you as your hearing needs a check. The Ayn Rand Institute has consistently produced essays that are very hawkish and advocated force in Iran and N. Korea, as well as in the Palestinean mess.

24 posted on 11/04/2003 5:22:54 PM PST by RJCogburn ("You have my thanks and, with certain reservations, my respect.".......Lawyer J. Noble Daggett)
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To: ModelBreaker
"Maybe in the past. But that's not what I hear coming out of the Rand Institute these-a-days. "

I thought that I’d heard some pro-Iraqi invasion stuff coming out of there. What did you read?

25 posted on 11/04/2003 5:26:50 PM PST by elfman2
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; BOBTHENAILER; Miss Marple; PhilDragoo; hchutch; Dog; Dog Gone; ...
You don't have to ping the other side, they are like Pavlov's dogs.

The writer left out one group, the SOB's or Sons of Buchanan. On Free Republic, these may be the worse. Their unrelenting hatred of our President is beyond politics. The secret service should be monitoring boards and checking on these hate filled people. One can only imagine what they say to each other with emails.
26 posted on 11/04/2003 5:35:40 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you don't like change, you're going to like irrelevance even less.")
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To: RJCogburn
"Somehow, to disagree with one policy or another is 'Anti-American' and many good and productive conservatives are tarred by this wacko's brush. A sentiment fitting for the Taliban mentality. "

Maybe you can’t differentiate between, “disagreeing with one policy or another” and accusing Bush of “war crimes against the people of Iraq” and “organizing genocide for Arabs”.

27 posted on 11/04/2003 5:44:14 PM PST by elfman2
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To: Grampa Dave
None of these people make the slightest bit of difference. They make their living by being antagonists and mouthing off.

If they start putting up candidates who can win, then it will be serious. Until then, it's just hot air.

28 posted on 11/04/2003 5:47:25 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Poohbah
Wonder if Paul Abdul-Craig al-Roberts has professed Shahada yet?

lol.....no doubt. It's as if he and the rest of these anti-war-at-all-costs, Islam-loving ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend"), self-hating, so-called conservatives are all infected with some nasty degenerative spiritual disease.

29 posted on 11/04/2003 6:11:00 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: elfman2
I thought that I’d heard some pro-Iraqi invasion stuff coming out of there (Ayn Rand Institute). What did you read?

I have seen several tv interviews with that very odd fellow (Leonard Pleitikoff?) who was incoherently and rabidly anti-war. I think he heads the Rand Institute.

If I'm wrong, I sure some objectivist around here will chop my subjective little head off.

30 posted on 11/04/2003 6:14:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
Last time I saw Peikoff was in a tv interview was right after 9/11 and he was calling for the nuking of a large portion of the Islamic world.
31 posted on 11/04/2003 6:25:13 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ModelBreaker; elfman2
Here is their Pro-Iraq War site: Free Iraq

Here's one for Iran. Free Iran

You might also appreciate this one. Israel is Moral

32 posted on 11/04/2003 6:28:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Mr. Mojo
The Islamic world can thank Allah I wasn't the President on 9/11/01. I would've nuked 1/2 of the Islamic world and extorted protection money ("reparations") from the survivors.
33 posted on 11/04/2003 6:28:57 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: quidnunc
anti-Americanism is seeping into the entire conservative movement and is threatening to splinter it into pieces

Uhhhhhhh..........

Bullsh-t.

Period.
34 posted on 11/04/2003 6:36:45 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Constitutionally limited Government now!)
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To: quidnunc
bump
35 posted on 11/04/2003 6:37:29 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: ex-snook
How the Republican Congressional Majority is Betraying Conservatives - BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERALISM IS NOW REPUBLICAN ORTHODOXY
36 posted on 11/04/2003 6:41:08 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: quidnunc
is now in bed with the ACLU in its efforts to demonize Attorney General John Ashcroft and prevent the Patriot Act from catching Moslem terrorists.

The Patriot Act is Anti-American.

Former Congressman Bob Barr, who led the impeachment of Bill Clinton in Congress and is also an NRA board member, has become a paid whore for the ACLU, and now makes a living bashing Bush and Ashcroft.

Maybe because Ashcroft is now pushing for bills like the unPatriot Act which he fought for as a senator. He's now turned into Janet Reno without the WACO.

37 posted on 11/04/2003 6:47:11 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Don't blame me. I voted for Rocky.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks!
38 posted on 11/04/2003 6:54:03 PM PST by elfman2
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To: FastCoyote
Sounds to me like you are 100% Constitution Party.

www.constitutionparty.com

39 posted on 11/04/2003 6:54:23 PM PST by Ahban
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To: CodeMonkey
May the people who denounce Bush's right-wing critics as traitors be the first to feel the effects of a democrat using the PATRIOT Act. I for one will laugh my ass off when they get detained indefinitely.

Now that's really a scary thought, and cause to question the wisdom of too much power concentrated in any one place.

40 posted on 11/04/2003 7:02:20 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (No, D*mnit! Your OTHER Right!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
He's now turned into Janet Reno without the WACO.

What? All those changes and no company barbecue?

41 posted on 11/04/2003 7:04:16 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (No, D*mnit! Your OTHER Right!)
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To: x
Re: "Jack Wheeler panders too much to the emotions."

Good point and I looked for the Bush-is-a-war-criminal quote. Perhaps Wheeler did not mean to say Mr. Phillips actually said it but it's what he means?

First I googled, "Howard Phillips" Bush "war crimes against the people of Iraq"

No hits.

After a few tries the closest I could find was an old Freep page

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-savimbi/browse

where Howard and son Brad accused President Bush of being at least partly to blame for the killing of "Christian leader, Dr. Jonas Mahleiro Savimbi. Dr. Savimbi, age 67, Angolan patriot, African nationalist, Christian leader and founder and president of the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA)." It was from an old newsmax article.

I have no knowledge of Mr. Phillips. It's just that Mr. Wheeler sounded like a high schooler appealing to fellow students to trash a rival clique. I am new to the neo v. paleo and now it looks like it's even more complicated than that. I'll be looking for proof of Mr. Wheeler's charge that the "anti-American right" has ties to radical Islam.

42 posted on 11/04/2003 7:04:37 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My bad. Sorry.
43 posted on 11/04/2003 7:33:43 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Grampa Dave
Eschew pseudoconservative antisemitic fifth columnists.


44 posted on 11/04/2003 7:44:18 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
He's right about Norquist, though.
45 posted on 11/04/2003 7:44:27 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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later
46 posted on 11/04/2003 7:58:47 PM PST by secretagent
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To: quidnunc
The source of many conservatives? and libertarians? hatred for America is, however, no mystery: the baneful influence of the founder of the Libertarian Party, Murray Rothbard.

Setting aside the entire silly notion of this poorly written article, that disagreement with a particular, or set of particular political policies are somehow "anti-American," one can also question its accuracy on particular facts. Murray Rothbard was not "the founder of the Libertarian Party."

If harming the President and his policies is to be a measure of what is "anti-American, then clearly the most "anti-American" person named on this page was that of the author, Jack Wheeler.

47 posted on 11/04/2003 8:35:36 PM PST by jackbob
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To: Smokin' Joe
Yes. Now maybe the Bushbots will start seeing the logic. If a terrorist is a terrorist, ie A=A and some anti-abortionists act like terrorists, then it could be curtains for much of the anti-abortion activists. What's the difference between blowing up the WTC and a legally sanctioned abortion clinic except scale for the purposes of the law? Like it or not, many Islamists are not active participants in the violence. They are Islamism's fellow travelers yet they're being detained. I find that it's scary how quickly many conservatives dismiss the possibility of an egregious abuse of executive power with these laws. I think it'll take a very bloody violation of many rights' civil rights to make them rethink their position on granting discressionary power to the fedgov.

I certainly despise Islam and as someone who follows a non-Abrahamic monotheistic religion I have a great incentive to oppose Islam in all of its forms, even "peaceful." I for one am just concerned that we'll see a wave of anti-gun rights, anti-abortion, etc PATRIOT usages under a democrat. Bin Laden's goal as he has made clear is to make us destroy ourselves. He knows that most Americans aren't rugged individualists, who with gun in hand, are ready to tell him and his fellow lunatics to bring it on.

48 posted on 11/04/2003 8:49:43 PM PST by CodeMonkey
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To: Poohbah
They can thank Allah it wasn't me, either.

At some point, the Taliban would have been given the Sir Arthur Harris treatment. A Dresden-esque firestorm at Kandahar would be most likely.

There would have been unconditional backing of Israeland a complete cutoff of aid to the Palestinians. Any diplomatic effort on their behalf would be rejected.

Other state sponsors of terrorism would have been given ultimatums to change certain patterns of conduct, or I would be in front of Congress asking for a declaration of war.
49 posted on 11/04/2003 9:03:40 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Dog Gone
They are the most irrelevant people in politics. They can't win an election for dog catcher, yet they want to tell winners how to lose. If the winners listen to the losers.
50 posted on 11/04/2003 10:50:39 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you don't like change, you're going to like irrelevance even less.")
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