Terri Schindler Schiavo Guardianship Hearing Wednesday November 5, 2003

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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA

PROBATE DIVISION

File No. 90-2908GD-003

 

IN Re: THE GUARDIANSHIP OF

THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO,

Incapacitated.

 

ROBERT SCHINDLER, et al.,

Petitioners,

v.

MICHAEL SCHIAVO,

Respondent

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PETITION TO REMOVE GUARDIAN

AND TO APPOINT SUCCESSOR GUARDIAN

Petitioners, Robert Schindler, Mary Schindler, Robert Schindler, Jr. and Suzanne Schindler Carr, by and through undersigned counsel, pursuant to Fla. Prob. R. 5.660, hereby petition this Court for its Order removing Michael Schiavo ("Schiavo") as Guardian of Theresa Marie Schiavo ("Terri" or "the ward") and appointing one of the ward’s siblings, Robert Schindler, Jr. or Suzanne Schindler Carr, as successor guardian. Any one of the statutory reasons set forth below is sufficient to require removal of this guardian pursuant to § 744.474, Fla. Stat. In support, Petitioners say:

Failure to Discharge His Duties - § 744.474 (2), Fla. Stat.

• The fundamental duty of the guardian as set forth in Chapter 744, Fla. Stat., is to protect the interests of the ward. From the statement of legislative intent to the detailed provisions concerning the annual plan, Florida law requires that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible. Schiavo has failed in each and every respect.
• Terri has the right to be treated with dignity and respect and the right to privacy - rights that are retained by her notwithstanding the appointment of a guardian. Fla. Stat. § 744.3215. Despite this obligation, Schiavo affirmed on national television (Connie Chung, CNN, 11/4/02) that he is an adulterer and has had a child by his mistress. He made a mockery of his marriage to Terri, dismissing it as "a portion of my life" and that he "got on with" his affairs while still claiming to be a loving husband to Terri. When his counsel offered on this same show a veritable advertisement for adultery, Schiavo sat quietly by in condoning silence.
• Fidelity is a key component of the respect and dignity that our society expects one spouse to afford the other; yet, this guardian believes that Terri’s disability releases him of his legal and moral responsibility. Indeed, the sanctity of his marriage, once espoused by Schiavo when it was in his financial interest to do so, is now publicly denigrated in heartless fashion.
• Having expended almost all of Terri’s money in an attempt to kill¹/ her rather than rehabilitate her (see below), this self-styled champion of her right to privacy has made clear that he has no regard for, and will not protect, Terri’s rights of privacy, dignity and respect. In addition to the public humiliation for Terri caused by both Schiavo’s nationally-televised statements and his public conduct, Schiavo has further condoned assaults on Terri’s privacy and dignity by his counsel who, in local and national media, has declared that Terri is no better than a house plant.
• Terri deserves what any woman would want in these circumstances - the right to divorce this adulterer. Yet, Schiavo has failed to request authority from this Court to initiate the obvious petition. See Fla. Stat. § 744.3215(4)(c) (2002). There has been a de facto dissolution of this marriage which, in equity, should eliminate Schiavo’s suitability as Terri’s guardian.²/ In fact, Schiavo is Terri’s

  husband in name only, and it is upon that legal relationship that his right to be her guardian is based.

• Terri also retains the right to be protected from exploitation, which includes the misuse of guardianship duties. Fla. Stat. §§ 744.3215(d) and 415.102(7). Another aspect of Schiavo’s media activities is that the appearance on the above- referenced national television show was, at least in part, for the purpose of promoting his counsel’s book.³/ To the extent that Schiavo has received any direct or indirect consideration from Mr. Felos or third parties for this or similar activity, it would constitute a misuse of Schiavo’s guardianship role and an exploitation of the ward. In the absence of such consideration, it nonetheless suggests the appearance of impropriety and is a further affront to the dignity of the ward.
• Terri has the absolute right to receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Fla. Stat. § 744.3215 (2002). Schiavo has affirmatively prevented Terri from receiving these services from her caregivers. Further, he has confined her to the "death row" of Hospice for over two years while the appeals in this case have

  been pending, instead of leaving her in a nursing facility where she would receive the services and rehabilitation required by law.⁴/

• Instead of fulfilling his duty to develop Terri’s abilities, Schiavo has at every turn attempted to increase her incapacity through the denial of basic health and rehabilitative services such as range of motion therapy, other physical therapy, orthopaedic evaluations and treatment, speech therapy, standard diagnostic tests and procedures, gynecological care, dental care, rehabilitation evaluations and cognitive therapy, as testimony in the recent evidentiary hearing revealed.
• Schiavo has systematically isolated Terri and deprived her of sensory input.⁵/ Terri has the absolute right to receive visitors and communicate with others. Fla. Stat. § 744.3215. This right has been unlawfully and cruelly restricted by Schiavo, who has prevented visitors of whom he does not approve from seeing Terri, according to his own capricious and unreviewed bent.
• He has prevented the flow of non-verbal communication between Terri and her parents and siblings by instructing her caregivers to give no such information about Terri’s behavior to her family.
• Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which is the comprehensive management of the physical, psychological, social, spiritual, and existential needs of the patient. Fla. Stat. § 765.102. This right is not limited to those with incurable or progressive illnesses.
• As is reflected in each annual plan filed by him, Schiavo has made no attempt to provide such comprehensive care.
• Knowing that Terri wants to get better, and would have always chosen rehabilitation over death, Schiavo consented, on Terri’s behalf, to an experimental medical procedure - the implantation of an electrode in her brain in December, 1990 in San Francisco.
• However, this was yet another violation of his duties as guardian, because such consent was given by him without the necessary prior approval of the Court. Fla. Stat. § 744.3215(4). Now that it is no longer in Schiavo’s financial interest for Terri to receive treatment that could improve her condition, he is yet again violating his duty as her guardian by (a) ignoring and misrepresenting her wishes regarding potentially helpful treatment and (b) refusing to consent to treatment that could be beneficial to Terri.
• The guardian is required by law to prepare and present an annual plan. Fla. Stat. § 744.3675. Throughout his tenure as guardian, Schiavo has filed the annual plans late or not at all, and has provided incomplete and inaccurate information. The Court recently signed yet another order permitting postponement of the filing of an annual plan.
• Schiavo has failed to report, and affirmatively concealed, from this Court information concerning Terri’s awareness of her environment and her attempts at communication. Knowing that the attending physician and others would rely on information supplied by Schiavo as a basis for continuing to state an unchanged diagnosis, Schiavo has intentionally withheld information concerning Terri’s true condition: that she is conscious, aware and can swallow.
• In a further attempt to conceal the truth from this Court, Schiavo has closely controlled access to Terri’s medical records and caregiver information in an attempt to prevent Petitioners from presenting additional evidence that Terri is conscious and is not receiving the medical and rehabilitative services that she requires and deserves.
• Schiavo has reported in annual reports that Terri was receiving all medical services recommended by the physicians, but has actually forbidden treatment of any kind.
• In his annual reports, Schiavo has completely failed to prepare and present any plan for the provision of medical, mental health, and rehabilitative services in the coming year as required by Fla. Stat. § 744.3675 (1)(b)(3, and has

  falsely stated that Terri could not benefit from physical therapy and other rehabilitative therapies.

• The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the Florida Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse, neglect and exploitation, and Terri is entitled to the protections afforded by this law.
• "‘Abuse’ means any willful act or threatened act that causes or is likely to cause significant impairment to a vulnerable adult's physical, mental, or emotional health. Abuse includes acts and omissions." Fla. Stat. § 415.102(1)(2002). Schiavo’s isolation of Terri and refusal to provide adequate physician attention, rehabilitative services, dental care and other medical services constitutes abuse within the meaning of the Adult Protective Services Act as well as the guardianship statutes. Schiavo has failed to properly supervise the care provided by Hospice as is most recently illustrated by the fact that someone turned the thermostat in her room down to 64 degrees.⁶/
• "Neglect" means the failure to provide care, supervision and services necessary to maintain the physical and mental heath of the vulnerable adult, including, but not limited to, medicine and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential to the well-being of a vulnerable adult. Fla. Stat. §415.102 (15)(2002). It further means the failure to make a reasonable effort to protect a vulnerable adult from the abuse, neglect or exploitation of others. Id. Schiavo has neglected Terri by failing to meet the essential requirements for Terri’s physical health and safety and by failing to develop her abilities and by medically sequestering her. He has scheduled insufficient physician’s attention for Terri who is prone to potentially lethal urinary tract infections. He has provided no speech, cognitive, physical or other rehabilitative therapy and has prevented caregivers from doing so.
• Schiavo has year after year provided professional medical treatment to Terri that he describes in his annual reports as: "None."

  Abuse of His Powers - Fla. Stat. § 744.474 (2)

• The failures of Schiavo to discharge his duties as alleged above are not merely acts of omission; they are acts of commission that constitute an abuse of power, as well. Schiavo’s approach to his guardianship role is part of an overall scheme designed to serve solely the interests of Schiavo at Terri’s expense.

  This scheme of abuse, neglect and exploitation includes the provision of certain care and testimony prior to receipt of a substantial medical malpractice award in early 1993, all of which was designed to cast Schiavo in the role of the loving, devoted husband who would spare no expense to see to the medical and rehabilitative needs of his wife for a long, full lifetime.⁷/

  26. After receipt of the award, Schiavo’s conduct includes every attempt to facilitate the death of Terri before the money ran out.⁸/

  27. Schiavo’s attempts to increase Terri’s disability continue, in that Terri has been isolated, information has been withheld from her loved ones, she has been denied basic health and rehabilitative services, her dental, gynecological, and orthopaedic care have been neglected, and her attending physician’s visits have been reduced to only three a year, if that. The reduction in the attention of a physician, under Schiavo’s direction, is particularly insidious because Terri is prone to urinary tract infections, but no medical precautions are taken to identify such infections at an early stage.

  28. Indeed, according to Dr. Gambone, her treating physician, no medical attention is provided for such a dangerous infection unless Terri manages to "convince" the nursing staff to call the doctor, a difficult task for one who has received no rehabilitation to enhance her communicative skills.

  29. A guardian may exercise only those rights that have been removed from the ward and delegated to the guardian. Fla. Stat. § 744.361 (1) (2002). Nonetheless, Schiavo has abused his position as guardian by directing her caregivers and physicians to deprive her of rights that are retained by Terri under Fla. Stat. § 744.3215, including the right to receive necessary services, rehabilitation and the companionship of others.

  The Wasting, Embezzlement, or Other Mismanagement of the Ward’s Property and the Improper Management of the Ward’s Assets - Fla. Stat. §§ 744.474 (7) and 744.474 (16)

  30. The management of the ward’s assets has largely been kept a secret and is protected by seal of this court. Nonetheless, what is revealed in this record is that while exhausting Terri’s money for the purpose of killing her, not one red cent could be found by Schiavo to enhance the quality of her life after receipt of the malpractice award. The use of almost $500,000 of guardianship funds for attorney’s fees and costs and the expenditure of nothing for therapy that would reduce the pain of contractures, enhance Terri’s ability to swallow, or facilitate recovery of basic abilities is the grossest form of asset mismanagement.

  31. Schiavo’s decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was clear that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an improper use of the ward’s assets.⁹/ Terri’s attending physician, Dr. Victor Gambone, agreed at the evidentiary hearing before this Court in October, 2002, that Terri is not terminal and is not in any sort of crisis.

  Development of a Conflict of Interest Between the Ward and the Guardian - §744.474 (11)

  32. Serious conflicts of interest have arisen since the appointment of Schiavo as guardian. This guardian is not independent and impartial as required by Fla. Stat. § 744.446 (1), and Schiavo has used his fiduciary relationship to advance his private gain at the expense of Terri’s life. Schiavo admitted in his petition to withhold Terri’s food and hydration, dated May 8, 1998, that he will inherit the Ward’s estate and further admitted the likelihood that he would remarry.¹⁰

  33. This is more than a likelihood now. Schiavo has moved in with his mistress and fathered her baby. The Second District Court of Appeal noted in this case that "there may be occasions when an inheritance could be a reason to question a surrogate’s ability to make an objective decision." In re Schiavo, 780 So.2d 176, (Fla. 2d DCA 2001)("Schiavo I"). There is now more than an inheritance at stake: a baby will continue to be denied a legally- recognized father every day that Terri lives.

  34. Schiavo has repeatedly claimed that divorce will never be an option for him. This leaves only one option for his life plans: Terri’s death.

  35. The conflict of interest arising from the fact that Schiavo will inherit Terri’s estate has not decreased as the guardianship fund has dwindled. There are other valuable assets of the estate, including Terri’s engagement and wedding rings that Schiavo has already appropriated to his own use by making jewelry for himself.¹¹/

  36. Schiavo’s recent involvement in the promotion of his counsel’s book raises Schiavo’s interest in Terri’s image and likeness which he has vigorously sought to preserve for her estate in the guise of protecting her privacy from unwanted intrusion but which may, instead, be groundwork to use her image and likeness for commercial gain after her death.

  37. Furthermore, divorce may not be an attractive option for Schiavo, given the likelihood that he would be ordered to pay permanent alimony to help defray the cost of Terri’s care.

  38. Testimony given during the October, 2002, evidentiary hearing in this case raises a question concerning the unexplained cause for Terri’s extraordinarily rigid neck, first noted when she presented at the emergency room after her collapse in February, 1990. This, together with a 1991 bone scan report that refers to a history of trauma, creates the need to further investigate the cause of the original injury, her care in the interim, and the effect of these injuries on the current diagnosis and prognosis for recovery.

  39. Because Schiavo was alone with Terri at the time of the original injury and has been responsible for her care in the interim and in most cases has been the sole source of information about Terri’s history for her caregivers, there is an obvious and impermissible conflict of interest demonstrated by this failure to investigate these matters.

  Guilt of an Offense Prohibited Under Fla. Stat. §§ 435.03 and 744.474 (12)

  40. Schiavo’s record residence is a home that, according to his deposition testimony, he owns and lives in with his "girlfriend." This is the same girlfriend who he admitted is the mother of his baby as discussed on the above-referenced national television program. This conduct is a violation of Fla. Stat. § 798.01, which makes living in open adultery a misdemeanor, and § 798.02, which similarly proscribes lewd and lascivious cohabitation.

  41. Lewd and lascivious cohabitation is an offense prohibited under Fla. Stat. § 435.03, and Schiavo’s admissions to the requisite elements of this offense should be found to be guilt that disqualifies him as Terri’s guardian.¹²/

  42. Furthermore, Schiavo’s abuse, neglect and/or exploitation of Terri, a vulnerable adult, should be found to be conduct prohibited by Fla. Stat. §§ 435.03 and 415.111.

  Material Failure to Comply with the Guardianship Report - Fla. Stat. § 744.474(13)

  43. The guardian is required by law to implement the guardianship plan. Fla. Stat. § 744.361 (4). As alleged herein, Schiavo has consistently failed to implement the guardianship plans in that he has committed to this court that Terri would receive necessary medical care and services when, in fact, such care and services have not been provided.

  44. The most recent annual plan contains promised medical services and evaluations that are to obtained "without undue delay." Nine months later, these things have not been accomplished.

  Failure to Comply with the Rules For Timely Filing Guardianship Reports - Fla. Stat. §744.474 (14)

  45. Throughout his tenure as guardian, Schiavo has repeatedly failed to comply with the rules for the timely filing of guardianship reports. Such reports have been either omitted or not filed on a timely basis, requiring the issuance of more than one order to show cause.

  Failure to Fulfill the Guardianship Education Requirements - . §744.474 (15)

  46. For over a decade, Schiavo flouted the guardian education requirements. His failure to receive the requisite education was an intentional act and did not arise from any ignorance of the requirement. This is further evidence that Schiavo has not taken his obligations to Terri seriously and is unsuitable as a guardian.

  After Appointment, the Guardian Has Become a Disqualified Person as Set Forth in Fla. Stat. §§ 744.309 (3) and 744.474 (18)

  47. Since his appointment as guardian, Schiavo has become a disqualified person within the meaning of Fla. Stat. § 744.309 (3), as set forth below.

  48. Schiavo has demonstrated through repeated and gross failures to comply with the law that he is incapable of discharging the duties of guardian.

  49. Schiavo is guilty of offenses prohibited under Fla. Stat. § 435.03.

  50. Conflicts of interest exist which prevent Schiavo from being independent and impartial as required by Fla. Stat. § 744.446.

   

  WHEREFORE, Petitioners respectfully request that Michael Schiavo be removed as guardian and that Robert Schindler, Jr., or Suzanne Schindler Carr be appointed guardian of Theresa Marie Schiavo.

  ___________________________ Respectfully submitted,

  ROBERT SCHINDLER

  ___________________________

  MARY SCHINDLER PATRICIA FIELDS ANDERSON, ESQ.

  Patricia Fields Anderson, P.A.

  ___________________________ 447 Third Avenue North; Suite 405

  ROBERT SCHINDLER, JR. St. Petersburg, FL 33701

  727 / 895-6505; 727 / 898-4903 (fax)

  ___________________________ SPN 00239201; Fla. Bar No. 352871

  SUZANNE SCHINDLER CARR Attorney for Robert & Mary Schindler

  CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

  I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing has been furnished by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, to:

  GEORGE FELOS, ESQ. LARRY CROW, ESQ.

  Felos & Felos, P.A. Law Offices of Larry Crow

  595 Main Street 1247 South Pinellas Avenue

  Dunedin, FL 34698 Tarpon Springs, Florida 34689

  DEBORAH A. BUSHNELL, ESQ. GYNETH S. STANLEY, ESQ.

  204 Scotland St. 1465 S. Ft. Harrison Avenue, #202

  Dunedin, FL 34698 Clearwater FL 33756

  PAMELA CAMPBELL, ESQ. ALISON A. CARPENTER

  111 Second Ave. NE; Suite 1404 30617 U.S. Highway 19 N., Ste 1101

  St. Petersburg, FL 33701 Palm Harbor, FL 34684

  and by Hand Delivery to GEORGE FELOS, this 15^th day of November, 2002.

   

   

  ____________________________________

  PATRICIA FIELDS ANDERSON, ESQ.

  Attorney for Respondents

[supercat]

I don't know why nobody's posted this as its own thread; it certainly seems worthy. The hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, but the web site doesn't say the time. Key observation: at the time of the last guardianship hearing, Michael and Jodi had not moved in with each other. Lewd and lacivious behavior, including cohabitation, is explicitly forbidden by guardians per Florida statute (cited in the petition above), and I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that Michael and Jodi have been cohabiting for some time and such cohabitation has been of a sexual nature (evidenced by Michael's children).

[PS--I hope this posts right; the preview window shows it being too wide, but it's funny that way sometimes.

[Future Useless Eater]

" Where there's life, there's hope."
      -Terri Schiavo (angrily SUPPORTING the comatose being kept ALIVE)

[Ohioan from Florida]

Thanks for putting this one up. I'll be checking in tomorrow periodically for updates, so when those of you who are closer to the scene get the opportunity, please post what you know. I'm sure there will be many who will be interested in how this pans out. FWIW, I'll be praying and fasting tomorrow if anyone would care to join me.

[Theodore R.]

This is a top-of-the-line petition. Yet, why I am I pessimistic that the FL court will not even bother to read it?

FL COURTS ARE CORRUPT!
People should start bumper stickers saying such. We should undermine this judiciary at all costs.

[supercat]

Yet, why I am I pessimistic that the FL court will not even bother to read it?

Under Florida statutes, guardians are forbidden from doing certain things which would not otherwise be legal, including lewd and lacivious cohabitation (except between married people). Unless Michael and Felos can convince a court that Michael's children were not produced by lewd and lacivious means, it would seem difficult for a court to deny the petition. Of course, I wouldn't be too surprised if a judge ruled that reproductive sex was not lewd and lacivious--such a finding would go along with all the other findings of fact in this case.

[Judith Anne]

I'll join you.

[Future Useless Eater]

Hand Delivery to GEORGE FELOS, this 15th day of November, 2002

So this ISN'T a petition for tomorrow? This is the one from LAST YEAR that Greer ignored? What has changed since then that gives us hope Greer will change heart tomorrow?

[drlevy88]

Amazing. The "Greer-is-not-blind" howler trolls really ought to explain this one to us.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Thanks. The more the merrier!

[Politicalmom]

LOTS more people watching?? (Not that I have much optimism, either.....)

[lonevoice]

Maybe it was filed last year and Greer has been rubber-stamping motions to continue by Felos? Could it be that this is the first hearing of the Nov 2002 petition?

[ET(end tyranny)]

I certainly hope they remove him as guardian and that they do not appoint one of his cronies as guardian. Let's hope and pray that guardianship goes to the Schindlers.

[Future Useless Eater]

Greetings JA! Long time no see... Welcome to the 'Terri threads'

If you'd like a quick summary of issues, I might recommend reviewing post #6 here, as well #8, #17, #25, #26, #50, and most responses throughout.

-FLE

[Saundra Duffy]

26. After receipt of the award, Schiavo’s conduct includes every attempt to facilitate the death of Terri before the money ran out.8/

Bottom line.

[Saundra Duffy]

I thought this document referred to the HINO and his attorney's appearance on Larry King Live. How could this be dated Nov 2002? I'm confused.

[Saundra Duffy]

Was this document rejected in 2002? Is something really happening tomorrow, Wed., 11/5?

[Future Useless Eater]

Oh, I remember now, Greer scheduled Terri's DEATH for October 15th, (+roughly 10 days),
and he scheduled her GUARDIANSHIP HEARING for 20 days AFTER that!!!

Greer is human garbage hiding behind a black robe.
Only his heart is blacker.

[Brandon]

I will bet you any amount you care to name that the "lewd and lascivious behavior" clause was intended to protect a minor ward living in the same household with the guardian. It's hard to see how such a provision would apply in a case like this.

[supercat]

I will bet you any amount you care to name that the "lewd and lascivious behavior" clause was intended to protect a minor ward living in the same household with the guardian. It's hard to see how such a provision would apply in a case like this.

Well, I don't think the legislators would have expected anyone to be living with a mistress while retaining guardianship of his wife. But I see no reason why the statute should not be applicable here.

[Brandon]

And I don't see why it should apply. There's been no suggestion that Schiavo has been sleeping around or leading a scandalous life. He has formed a long-term committed relationship with one woman, who he intends to marry. I understand that some people have a problem with him doing this while his wife is still technically alive, but I don't think you can view this as adultery in the usual sense of the word. More importantly, there is no chance whatsoever that his behavior, no matter how outrageous, will corrupt the morals of his ward, which is almost certainly why that clause was included in the statute in the first place.

[Pegita]

Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that Terri's family again will appear before the judge in their petition to have Michael removed from holding sway over their beloved daughter. We look to Your word, Lord ... time and time again, the woman appeared before the judge and asked for relief, but he would not grant her request. She would not be silent but kept returning ... so much like Terri's parents who have petitioned the court numerous times over these many years. Because the woman would not give up, the judge granted relief, to silence her lest she wear him out.

O Father, how we long for this judge to have a change of heart ~ may he have genuine fear that he must act on the merits of the petition and grant relief, lest he continue to be cast in so unfavorable a light. Sustain and encourage the Schindler family, for their request is the obvious protection of their daughter. Do not delay this justice, I pray ... may such heavy conviction weigh upon this judge that he can do nothing but grant relief.

Father, I pray that this proceeding and the ruling would reach the people far and wide .. may it be repeated and printed across the nation, such is the peril that has befallen the less able. Thank You that the presence of the forces of evil are being talked about as fact, and not fiction. Continue to reveal to us the very depths of depravity that has taken hold of men, who now use charm and wit and beguiling tongue to deceive the people. Father, may their tongues become as the most vile instruments, dripping evil in such magnitude that its filth can so openly be seen ... may these words become testimony against them .. let them become their own judges. Banish them from the scene, I pray, dear Lord, lest they continue to infect the people with their poison. Turn back all plans upon them .. they who wish death upon the innocents, may they receive their just punishment.

Creator God, I thank You that You continue to use a small group of ordinary people who stand against all the forces of hell. They do not have wealth or power, yet their cause is noble and just. Give to them the small, smooth stones as You did to David, and may these dedicated people slay the giant who seeks to put to death the most vulnerable, for they go into battle under Your banner, Lord, for the least of these, our brethren.

Guard Terri in every circumstance, I pray, for there are those who will stop at nothing to end her life. Soften the hearts of those who care for her ~ may they know that the eyes of the world are upon this mother's child ~ may they treat her as they would want to be treated ... with love and tenderness.

Thank You, Father, for knitting our hearts as one as we pray and work for Terri's release into the loving arms of her family. You have sustained her these many years, and we praise You. Free her from this prison imposed by one who had pledged to love and care for her, for we ask in the Name of Jesus, Amen ...

[HiTech RedNeck]

It should apply (1) because it's IN the law; (2) because any sane person would conclude that a guardian living in sin is not conducive to the best interests of a disabled spouse ward who would prove very inconvenient to the guardian if she recovers. "Sane" is the operative word. It appears to leave out the trolls and Judge Three-Divorces Greer.

[AmericaUnited]

Wow! Powerful! Only a pathetically blind or corrupt judge could not rule favorably.

[BlessedBeGod]

Unless Michael and Felos can convince a court that Michael's children were not produced by lewd and lacivious means, it would seem difficult for a court to deny the petition. Of course, I wouldn't be too surprised if a judge ruled that reproductive sex was not lewd and lacivious--such a finding would go along with all the other findings of fact in this case.

Oh, come on. It's just another lifestyle choice. < /sarcasm >

[Brandon]

Amazingly enough, it is possible for someone to disagree with you, without them being either a troll or insane.

Have a nice day.

[mommy23]

I will join you in prayer and fasting as well and will say a rosary for Terri.

[Judith Anne]

Thanks for the nice hello. I've been reading these threads for a long time. I've taken care of a number of patients similar to Terri, in their condition, and I am appalled that someone would try to kill her. I'm also outraged that she's had no therapy, that is an outrage.

[supercat]

There's been no suggestion that Schiavo has been sleeping around or leading a scandalous life.

Most people still consider open adultery to be scandalous. Few here would have any problem with Michael seeking a divorce, but to have children by Jodi without first divorcing Terri is scandalous.

[saveterri1]

Terri Schiavo case in court again today

There could be some major changes in the Terri Schiavo case today.

Judge George Greer has scheduled a hearing to dismiss a petition from Schiavo's parents. They want to remove Terri Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, as her guardian.

The hearing is scheduled for 2:30 p.m.

This is a different guardian issue than the one ordered by the new "Terri's Law."

Terri Schiavo is the Pinellas woman who has been in what some doctors call a persistent vegetative state since 1990.

Source: BayNews Channel 9

[GYPSY286]

We should all pray to not only ask the Lord to soften the heart of that judge but to open his mind to the truth of what has happened here.

Removing the HINO not only saves Terri but mutes the fight over Terri's Law, ends the writing of Felos (felon) book, saves the remaining funds available for Terri's rehab, and allows the Shindler's to sue HINO for all past grievances against Terri and the family.

Should the Schindlers be named as guardian, their attorney should IMMEDIATELY file for divorce on Terri's behalf. Let HINO use his own money for legal services (if he can get someone to represent him) as Felon will be long gone once the money is long gone.

[sweetliberty]

"howler trolls"

ROTFL! Apt description!

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[sweetliberty]

For anyone who is not already aware of it, there is a bill on the table in Florida, being discussed yesterday and today; that would eliminate "lewd and lascivious behavior" as a disqualification for guardianship. Coincidence that it just happens to be on the table TODAY? I, for one, would like to know what brought this to their attention and why they chose today to address it. Will the vote be a done deal BEFORE the guardianship hearing this afternoon?

Florida Senate - 2004 SB 328

[Theodore R.]

Surely this bill on allowing immoral persons to hold guardianship would not pass -- Bush would not sign that.

[saveterri1]

Sweetliberty - Remember we are talking Florida.

You know, the State with the most LIBERAL Supreme Court in the Country.

You know, the State where the Supreme Court said parents do not have a right to notification of a minor daughter’s intent to have an abortion.

You know, the State with the strictest-liberal Right-To-Privacy Laws in the Country, so every criminal like OJ Simpson, Osama Ben Laden's brother, the majority of 9-11 terrorists, and other fine Christian taxpayers live.

You know, the strictest-liberal Right-To-Privacy Laws in the U.S. that are greatly contributing to sending Terri to her Grave!

You know, My Florida - The "Sunshine" State?

Harv

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"Most People Don't Want To Be Confused With The Facts & The Truth" - It might cloud our “vision”. In this case it will cost a person’s life.

[Theodore R.]

Removing the HINO not only saves Terri but mutes the fight over Terri's Law, ends the writing of Felos (felon) book, saves the remaining funds available for Terri's rehab, and allows the Shindler's to sue HINO for all past grievances against Terri and the family.

Should the Schindlers be named as guardian, their attorney should IMMEDIATELY file for divorce on Terri's behalf. Let HINO use his own money for legal services (if he can get someone to represent him) as Felon will be long gone once the money is long gone.

What you have described above is truly the "American dream." But it won't happen in FL with such a CORRUPT JUDICIARY.

[Dante3]

Michael could easily have gotten a divorce, married his shackup, and at least legitimatized his children. He has refused to do this.

I have little faith in Florida courts after they took chldren away from their biological mother and handed them to an unrelated female who claimed to be a man.

[wisconsinconservative]

TROLL ALERT!

Hey y'all! Harv (saveterri1) and his powerful "PAC" is back to enlighten us! Care to share proof of this powerful "PAC" working for Terri yet?

I'm surprised it took you so long to get your keyboard replaced after breaking the last one Harv.

[Republic]

Thank you! Sending petition by the Schindler's on to media. Thank you SO MUCH!

[Republic]

FYI! Going onto my knees in prayer now.

[Krodg]

Terri Schiavo case in court again today

Wednesday, November 5th

Terri Schiavo's parents want to remove her husband as the guardian.

There could be some major changes in the Terri Schiavo case today.

Judge George Greer has scheduled a hearing to dismiss a petition from Schiavo's parents. They want to remove Terri Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, as her guardian. This is a different guardian issue than the one ordered by the new "Terri's Law." Terri Schiavo is the Pinellas woman who has been in what some doctors call a persistent vegetative state since 1990.

http://www.baynews9.com/site/NewsStory.cfm?storyid=27257

[oceanperch]

How does it help to egg on trolls?

Why ping?

This is not like a murder case where a lot of us get outraged.

Terri's supporters read these threads and IMO it does no good to incite trolls just ignore them or reply with few words to make a point if they are spreading lies.

I am embarressed while so many are advocating for Teri that the thread games go on.

Thread games can be fun but have an appropriate place/topic.

In this instance a woman fighting for life is involved. It really reads bad to see advocates lowering themselves to the level of disruptors.

Please think about it.

Prayers continue for Teri.

[sweetliberty]

See my post here regarding trolls.

[Ohioan from Florida]

I briefly got on earlier today, and wanted to let you know that I saw your post. I thought your idea of saying a rosary was a good one, so when I took my son to the doctor for a check-up I said it silently while waiting for the doctor. The timing was very nice. Started at 2:15 and finished around 2:40. Figured the trial was going on by about then. Does anyone know anything about the outcome yet?

[Krodg]

Figured the trial was going on by about then. Does anyone know anything about the outcome yet?

Well, considering that this was scheduled to dismiss the petition the outcome is clear. Now it's simply a matter of when they will make the announcement.

[pickyourpoison]

Keep praying. I just came back on, just to check on
this case.

I understand Greer's the judge again in this case. He's been hard-hearted up until now. Only God can soften his heart and all things are possible with God.

Head bowed.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Although I know it doesn't ever seem to go Terri's way in Judge Greer's courtroom, I still believe that there is a chance, because God is more powerful than Satan. Perhaps Greer will tire of the Schindler's many requests and finally give them this opportunity that they so deserve.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Thank you for adding your prayers. Like Pegita keeps reminding us, the woman who keeps petitioning the judge eventually is heard. It's a matter of when...not if. We must not give up. Terri hasn't.

[Aracelis]

I understand Greer's the judge again in this case.

Dear Father, Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated by many...

[Chocolate Rose]

Judge Lets Parents Challenge Custody Of Schiavo
http://www.local6.com/news/2614235/detail.html

POSTED: 4:23 p.m. EST November 5, 2003
UPDATED: 4:28 p.m. EST November 5, 2003
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- A state circuit judge Wednesday refused to block an effort by the parents of a brain-damage woman to try to get her husband removed as her legal guardian.

Attorneys for Michael Schiavo now have to respond in court to charges in the petition that he withheld proper care and therapy from his wife, Terri Schiavo, and that he has a conflict of interest because he's in a romantic relationship with another woman.

Bob and Mary Schindler, parents of Terri Schiavo, asked Circuit Judge George W. Greer to appoint Terri's brother or sister as guardian instead.

Schiavo had asked for the Schindler's request to be dismissed, but Greer refused.

In the past, Greer has repeatedly affirmed Michael Schiavo's legal right to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and allow her to die, as he says she would have wished.

The guardianship issue is a sidebar to what is likely to be a major legal battle over a hastily passed state law that let Gov. Jeb Bush order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube Oct. 21.

Michael Schiavo's attorney, with backing by the American Civil Liberties Union, has challenged the constitutionality of the law.

[Chocolate Rose]

Praise Almighty God!!