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THE POST: Here's what Democratic Underground didn't want you to see
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/ ^ | 11/05/03 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:56:43 PM PST by swilhelm73

FROM THE 'DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND': A new low for the far left: a post titled, "Why I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq." I kid you not.

 
DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND DECIDES TO EDIT: Hmmm. After I linked to a truly hideous posting celebrating bloodshed in Iraq, they take the page down. I should have copied the page. First CBS. Now DU. Shine a light on them and they scram.

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THE POST: Here's what Democratic Underground didn't want you to see:

I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq
Well, that should bring the bats out of the attic with fangs dripping. I won't be hypocritcal. It is politically correct, particularly in any Dem discussion to hope and pray and feel for our troops and scream "bring them back now". I'm fighting something bigger.
I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another; where the economy goes through ups and downs.......yawn, yawn--just wait a bit and things will turn out peachy keen. That stupid la-la land is over.
I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.
The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a shit hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.
I'm not saying this represents anything but a radical fringe. Implying that liberals or Democrats support his kind of poison is absurd. But this exists. And it's part of what's fueling the anger of the far left. (By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers.)
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1 posted on 11/05/2003 12:56:44 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
They took the page down?! Isn't that censorship?
2 posted on 11/05/2003 12:57:49 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: swilhelm73
That's not "anger"....it's killer-instinct hatred.
3 posted on 11/05/2003 12:58:26 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: swilhelm73
For later.
4 posted on 11/05/2003 12:58:28 PM PST by OXENinFLA ( Attempt to evaluate curvature at parametric singularity.)
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To: mewzilla
ooops!
5 posted on 11/05/2003 12:58:55 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Dog; Roscoe Karns
Ping.
6 posted on 11/05/2003 1:00:12 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: swilhelm73
I sent a link to about 500 people last night from that very thread. Good...now expose the ever living shit out of it and them.
7 posted on 11/05/2003 1:01:03 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: swilhelm73
"I'm a 58 year old broad......"


This must be my sister. Oh wait, the hag is only 52.
8 posted on 11/05/2003 1:01:04 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: swilhelm73
Ask me if I'm shocked. Go ahead. Ask me.
9 posted on 11/05/2003 1:01:12 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
Are you shocked?
10 posted on 11/05/2003 1:02:48 PM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: swilhelm73
By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers

Is that true? If so, why?

11 posted on 11/05/2003 1:03:22 PM PST by narby
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To: swilhelm73
They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!
12 posted on 11/05/2003 1:03:29 PM PST by katana
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To: swilhelm73
I get the "Best of the Web" e-mailed, and it was noted there as well. Saw the DU link was dead a couple of hours ago.

Cockroaches don't like the light of day.
13 posted on 11/05/2003 1:03:59 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics )
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To: Roscoe Karns
DU Ping
14 posted on 11/05/2003 1:04:13 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: swilhelm73
Thanks for posting. A fellow FReeper sent me a link to this while it was still up, and I didn't go see it then. Didn't want to go to DU. Then, later, I did. It is horrifying.
15 posted on 11/05/2003 1:04:19 PM PST by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: mewzilla
Sullivan undercuts just how common this attitude is on the left. No, it certainly isn't everyone, but it is a significant minority.

Bascially, if they lose elections, America isn't really a democracy, and if Americans have to die to advance the Left's agenda, so be it.

The next time a DU comes to FR to troll, perhaps you should point them to this thread and ask them how they can value the lives of their neighbors and countrymen so poorly.
16 posted on 11/05/2003 1:05:05 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: katana
Yeah, and I account(ed) for about 15 of them.
17 posted on 11/05/2003 1:05:18 PM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: freeangel
Too late to pull thread
Titled DEMS GONE WILD on Opinion Journal 2/3rd's down page.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004262
18 posted on 11/05/2003 1:05:18 PM PST by listenhillary
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To: mewzilla
There was a thread here the other day entitled something like "Who cares about dead Iraqis". That thread was removed as well.
19 posted on 11/05/2003 1:05:30 PM PST by halfdome
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To: swilhelm73
I don't, laughingly or otherwise, call our country a democracy because it isn't. This "58 year-old broad" reminds me of the incredible wisdom our founding fathers possessed when they constructed our republic.
20 posted on 11/05/2003 1:05:59 PM PST by twigs
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To: swilhelm73
"39. Starpass is not likely to be banned for this


Since it represents a significant and extremely vocal part of the modern Left and, by extension, of DU...."

((Picture included is that of "We sopport the troops who shoot their officers banner))
21 posted on 11/05/2003 1:06:26 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (It took Zell Miller 1 minute to say what Republicans have been afraid to say for years...)
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To: swilhelm73
Surely you know by now that exposing yourself to Democratic Underpants can and usually does cause insanity. Stay away from that den of idiots, for your health.
22 posted on 11/05/2003 1:06:27 PM PST by Spruce
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To: katana
"They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!"

I don't doubt it, I am five of their registered users.

23 posted on 11/05/2003 1:06:40 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Dems Gone Wild--III
Reader William Hoyt makes a good point about the Charlie Brown analogy we employed yesterday in regard to Democratic futility:

Charlie Brown was a really nice kid, while the Democrats are nasty bigots. The second and more crucial difference is that Lucy really did have a football. The Democrats may think they see scandal and conspiracy everywhere, but really there is nothing there. The Democrats remind me of a chronic drunk going through delirium tremens. The drunk may see monsters and pink elephants everywhere, but it's just in his head, and purely the result of his own misbehavior.

They're belligerent drunks, too. On the Angry Left Web site Democratic Underground, someone calling herself "Starpass" explains why "I hope the bloodshed continues in Iraq" (quoted verbatim):

I won't be hypocritcal. It is politically correct, particularly in any Dem discussion to hope and pray and feel for our troops and scream "bring them back now". I'm fighting something bigger.

I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another; where the economy goes through ups and downs.......yawn, yawn--just wait a bit and things will turn out peachy keen. That stupid la-la land is over.

I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.

The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a shit hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.

Is it unfair to quote this? Well, then how about this cheery comment, posted Monday at Democrats.org, the Democratic National Committee's official Web site, again quoted verbatim: "Morning all. It occured to me that all the bump that Bush got late last week from the economic figure went up in flames yesterday with that helicopter." That would be the Chinook that was shot down in Baghdad Sunday, killing 15 soldiers. For the Angry Left, it seems, every dark cloud is a silver lining.

24 posted on 11/05/2003 1:06:51 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics )
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To: swilhelm73
KTAN
25 posted on 11/05/2003 1:07:50 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: katana
They boast 30,000 subscribers?

And 29,000 were banned just last week alone.

26 posted on 11/05/2003 1:08:12 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: swilhelm73; Howlin; LS; jmstein7; remember; Perlstein; holdonnow
In the entire history of DemocraticUnderground.com, only one person has ever used the phrase "Wasp-mafia," columnist Mark Morford of the San Francisco Chronicle...
27 posted on 11/05/2003 1:08:40 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: swilhelm73
I've got the whole page saved at home.
I will put it up when I get home.
I've gots lots of stuff saved from their site that I was sure they would delete. And they did/do. A bunch of stuff. Sick sick people.
28 posted on 11/05/2003 1:08:59 PM PST by eyespysomething (As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17))
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To: halfdome
It's telling that they pulled the post, though, don't you think? They're not only degenerates, they're gutless degenerates.
29 posted on 11/05/2003 1:09:01 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: swilhelm73
(By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers.)

I highly doubt that they have more traffic than FR. They may SHOW that they have 30,000 subscibers, but I guarantee you that their daily traffic is a fraction of FR, since the 30,000 subscribers they have include everyone who has ever signed up and been banned. Not that I can back that statement up with any fact, but I'd be willing to place a generous bet as to which site actually has more traffic at any given time.

30 posted on 11/05/2003 1:09:12 PM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: twigs
>This "58 year-old broad" reminds me of the incredible wisdom our founding fathers possessed when they constructed our republic.

Wait until you see
what will be posted right here
when Hillary's prez...

31 posted on 11/05/2003 1:09:22 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: narby
I doubt it's true about Instapundit. There's a reason that sites have been known to crash after Instapundit puts up a link to them--Glenn gets tons of traffic.
32 posted on 11/05/2003 1:09:37 PM PST by diamondjoe
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To: Aaron0617
A fellow FReeper sent me a link to this while it was still up, and I didn't go see it then. Didn't want to go to DU. Then, later, I did. It is horrifying.

You mean it wasn't just one member over there that wanted our soldiers to die? <../sarc>

If I remember right..they're sponsoring soldiers on that site. Yep, the same soldiers they want to die to stop Bush, they're actually sending letters to.

33 posted on 11/05/2003 1:09:51 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: Space Wrangler
The quote says "New Republic." Did they mean to say FR? If so, they're ignorant, as well as wrong.
34 posted on 11/05/2003 1:11:41 PM PST by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: Southack; Constitution Day; hobbes1
In the entire history of DemocraticUnderground.com, only one person has ever used the phrase "Wasp-mafia," columnist Mark Morford of the San Francisco Chronicle...

Morford wrote this, possibly.

35 posted on 11/05/2003 1:12:06 PM PST by NeoCaveman (illegitimati non carborandum)
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To: swilhelm73
If a Democrat was president, they'd have already gotten their wish, but it would be the Iraqi people dying in droves under torture and piled in to mass graves, instead of US soldiers.
36 posted on 11/05/2003 1:12:22 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: swilhelm73
I'm a 58 year old broad...

Yeah, well, you sound like a small, sick, evil, demented bitch of a bitch. Anyone who has so much hate in them that they would actually hope for the death of others is twisted beyond words. I can not believe how much rage I felt as I got to the end of her message.

37 posted on 11/05/2003 1:12:55 PM PST by MrConfettiMan (George Clooney is the male Julia Roberts.)
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To: swilhelm73
The DUers are a bunch of vile Nazi-like thugs.
38 posted on 11/05/2003 1:13:18 PM PST by ambrose
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To: twigs
Our country is, specifically, a Republican Democracy. Democracy is not only Direct Democracy, though it seems, especially here on FR, people are often claiming it to be. Definitionally, democracy is;
de·moc·ra·cy   Audio pronunciation of "democracy" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
  1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
  2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
  3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
  4. Majority rule.
  5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.


[French démocratie, from Late Latin dmocratia, from Greek dmokrati : dmos, people; see d- in Indo-European Roots + -krati, -cracy.]


Nor, btw, is a republic necessarily democratic in nature - as one can see in a number of the republican city states of renaissance Europe.
39 posted on 11/05/2003 1:13:32 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
I'm a 58 year old broad

Molly Ivins or Mark Morford?

40 posted on 11/05/2003 1:13:33 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: eyespysomething
Dang, you're really on the ball, friend. FReepers are something else!

Will you please ping me at MinuteGal when you put it up? I'll probably want to forward it on to some brain-dead folks I know.

Leni

41 posted on 11/05/2003 1:14:18 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: swilhelm73
The message itself is horrifying and awful, but taking it down is no big shock. Ridiculously outlandish or threatening messages get taken down on FR all the time, don't they?
42 posted on 11/05/2003 1:14:34 PM PST by kegler4
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To: Aaron0617
Sponsoring???

Can you imagine the sick and twisted Tokyo Rose demoralizing sewage they're sending to the troops?
43 posted on 11/05/2003 1:14:48 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics )
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To: theFIRMbss
How old is Hillary anyway .... hmmmm ....
44 posted on 11/05/2003 1:14:54 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: theFIRMbss
58 yr old broad? How old is Barbara Streisend?
45 posted on 11/05/2003 1:15:55 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary will you run today?)
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To: swilhelm73
I was there this AM to see if any were considering suicide over the Governorship elections or MemoGate and the call for Rocktfeller to resign.
I clicked on this, but the page had been deleted. I knew it must have been a beauty that the Democrats wouldn't want to go public. LOL.
Thanks for posting it. I'll e-mail a copy to people who normally don't vote. Add this to the MemoGate, and we have a winner!
46 posted on 11/05/2003 1:17:42 PM PST by concerned about politics ( As a rightous man declarith a thing, so shall it be.)
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To: katana
>>They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!

No - it's true. Many of them suffer from a "Multiple On-Line Personality Disorder" - characterised by signing up with multiple nicknames on web forums, and even going so far as to one person's various personalities aruging with themselves.
47 posted on 11/05/2003 1:17:57 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: swilhelm73
And it's not just one bad poster on DU who is responsible for that. There were plenty of posts which responded somewhat affirmatively (aka - "I can see your point"). The posts in which the original author was berated for being such a sick freak were deleted immediately.
48 posted on 11/05/2003 1:18:19 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: swilhelm73
This is the pure undiluted hate filled spirit of the counter culture left. The rat poster would be just the right age to have spat on military personnel during the Viet Nam War and cheered for the victory of the VC. These people do hate normal Americans and have no real connection with the nation. Since they possess politically correct views they are self insulated and loath the mass of Americans as being crude, racists, homophobic, cretins who merit many 9-11's so that the enlightened minority can finaly be given the chance to control a shattered nation and force people to live in the correct leftist collectivist manner. Believe me the radical left has always hated normal Americans and always will.
49 posted on 11/05/2003 1:20:02 PM PST by robowombat
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To: mvpel
If a Democrat was president, they'd have already gotten their wish, but it would be the Iraqi people dying in droves under torture and piled in to mass graves, instead of US soldiers.

What'a mean 'If'? ...isn't that already written into the history books thanks to the last Democratic president.
Well, on 2nd thought, I doubt that it will make it into any history books.

50 posted on 11/05/2003 1:20:29 PM PST by TexasCajun
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