THE POST: Here's what Democratic Underground didn't want you to see

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/ ^ | 11/05/03 | Andrew Sullivan

[swilhelm73]

FROM THE 'DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND': A new low for the far left: a post titled, "Why I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq." I kid you not.

 
DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND DECIDES TO EDIT: Hmmm. After I linked to a truly hideous posting celebrating bloodshed in Iraq, they take the page down. I should have copied the page. First CBS. Now DU. Shine a light on them and they scram.

- 11:42:12 AM

 
THE POST: Here's what Democratic Underground didn't want you to see:

I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq
Well, that should bring the bats out of the attic with fangs dripping. I won't be hypocritcal. It is politically correct, particularly in any Dem discussion to hope and pray and feel for our troops and scream "bring them back now". I'm fighting something bigger.
I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another; where the economy goes through ups and downs.......yawn, yawn--just wait a bit and things will turn out peachy keen. That stupid la-la land is over.
I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.
The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a shit hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.

I'm not saying this represents anything but a radical fringe. Implying that liberals or Democrats support his kind of poison is absurd. But this exists. And it's part of what's fueling the anger of the far left. (By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers.)
- 12:20:14 PM

[mewzilla]

They took the page down?! Isn't that censorship?

[anniegetyourgun]

That's not "anger"....it's killer-instinct hatred.

[OXENinFLA]

For later.

[freeangel]

ooops!

[mewzilla]

Ping.

[My Favorite Headache]

I sent a link to about 500 people last night from that very thread. Good...now expose the ever living shit out of it and them.

[bulldogs]

"I'm a 58 year old broad......"


This must be my sister. Oh wait, the hag is only 52.

[RightOnline]

Ask me if I'm shocked. Go ahead. Ask me.

[Grit]

Are you shocked?

[narby]

By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers

Is that true? If so, why?

[katana]

They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!

[JoJo Gunn]

I get the "Best of the Web" e-mailed, and it was noted there as well. Saw the DU link was dead a couple of hours ago.

Cockroaches don't like the light of day.

[My Favorite Headache]

DU Ping

[Judith Anne]

Thanks for posting. A fellow FReeper sent me a link to this while it was still up, and I didn't go see it then. Didn't want to go to DU. Then, later, I did. It is horrifying.

[swilhelm73]

Sullivan undercuts just how common this attitude is on the left. No, it certainly isn't everyone, but it is a significant minority.

Bascially, if they lose elections, America isn't really a democracy, and if Americans have to die to advance the Left's agenda, so be it.

The next time a DU comes to FR to troll, perhaps you should point them to this thread and ask them how they can value the lives of their neighbors and countrymen so poorly.

[Guillermo]

Yeah, and I account(ed) for about 15 of them.

[listenhillary]

Too late to pull thread
Titled DEMS GONE WILD on Opinion Journal 2/3rd's down page.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004262

[halfdome]

There was a thread here the other day entitled something like "Who cares about dead Iraqis". That thread was removed as well.

[twigs]

I don't, laughingly or otherwise, call our country a democracy because it isn't. This "58 year-old broad" reminds me of the incredible wisdom our founding fathers possessed when they constructed our republic.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"39. Starpass is not likely to be banned for this


Since it represents a significant and extremely vocal part of the modern Left and, by extension, of DU...."

((Picture included is that of "We sopport the troops who shoot their officers banner))

[Spruce]

Surely you know by now that exposing yourself to Democratic Underpants can and usually does cause insanity. Stay away from that den of idiots, for your health.

[Mad Dawgg]

"They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!"

I don't doubt it, I am five of their registered users.

[JoJo Gunn]

Dems Gone Wild--III
Reader William Hoyt makes a good point about the Charlie Brown analogy we employed yesterday in regard to Democratic futility:

Charlie Brown was a really nice kid, while the Democrats are nasty bigots. The second and more crucial difference is that Lucy really did have a football. The Democrats may think they see scandal and conspiracy everywhere, but really there is nothing there. The Democrats remind me of a chronic drunk going through delirium tremens. The drunk may see monsters and pink elephants everywhere, but it's just in his head, and purely the result of his own misbehavior.

They're belligerent drunks, too. On the Angry Left Web site Democratic Underground, someone calling herself "Starpass" explains why "I hope the bloodshed continues in Iraq" (quoted verbatim):

I won't be hypocritcal. It is politically correct, particularly in any Dem discussion to hope and pray and feel for our troops and scream "bring them back now". I'm fighting something bigger.

I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another; where the economy goes through ups and downs.......yawn, yawn--just wait a bit and things will turn out peachy keen. That stupid la-la land is over.

I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.

The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a shit hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.

Is it unfair to quote this? Well, then how about this cheery comment, posted Monday at Democrats.org, the Democratic National Committee's official Web site, again quoted verbatim: "Morning all. It occured to me that all the bump that Bush got late last week from the economic figure went up in flames yesterday with that helicopter." That would be the Chinook that was shot down in Baghdad Sunday, killing 15 soldiers. For the Angry Left, it seems, every dark cloud is a silver lining.

[Noumenon]

KTAN

[VRWC_minion]

They boast 30,000 subscribers?

And 29,000 were banned just last week alone.

[Southack]

In the entire history of DemocraticUnderground.com, only one person has ever used the phrase "Wasp-mafia," columnist Mark Morford of the San Francisco Chronicle...

[eyespysomething]

I've got the whole page saved at home.
I will put it up when I get home.
I've gots lots of stuff saved from their site that I was sure they would delete. And they did/do. A bunch of stuff. Sick sick people.

[mewzilla]

It's telling that they pulled the post, though, don't you think? They're not only degenerates, they're gutless degenerates.

[Space Wrangler]

(By the way, Democratic Underground has more traffic than this site, Instapundit, the Nation or the New Republic. It boasts over 30,000 subscribers.)

I highly doubt that they have more traffic than FR. They may SHOW that they have 30,000 subscibers, but I guarantee you that their daily traffic is a fraction of FR, since the 30,000 subscribers they have include everyone who has ever signed up and been banned. Not that I can back that statement up with any fact, but I'd be willing to place a generous bet as to which site actually has more traffic at any given time.

[theFIRMbss]

>This "58 year-old broad" reminds me of the incredible wisdom our founding fathers possessed when they constructed our republic.

Wait until you see
what will be posted right here
when Hillary's prez...

[diamondjoe]

I doubt it's true about Instapundit. There's a reason that sites have been known to crash after Instapundit puts up a link to them--Glenn gets tons of traffic.

[Aaron0617]

A fellow FReeper sent me a link to this while it was still up, and I didn't go see it then. Didn't want to go to DU. Then, later, I did. It is horrifying.

You mean it wasn't just one member over there that wanted our soldiers to die? <../sarc>

If I remember right..they're sponsoring soldiers on that site. Yep, the same soldiers they want to die to stop Bush, they're actually sending letters to.

[Judith Anne]

The quote says "New Republic." Did they mean to say FR? If so, they're ignorant, as well as wrong.

[NeoCaveman]

In the entire history of DemocraticUnderground.com, only one person has ever used the phrase "Wasp-mafia," columnist Mark Morford of the San Francisco Chronicle...

Morford wrote this, possibly.

[mvpel]

If a Democrat was president, they'd have already gotten their wish, but it would be the Iraqi people dying in droves under torture and piled in to mass graves, instead of US soldiers.

[MrConfettiMan]

I'm a 58 year old broad...

Yeah, well, you sound like a small, sick, evil, demented bitch of a bitch. Anyone who has so much hate in them that they would actually hope for the death of others is twisted beyond words. I can not believe how much rage I felt as I got to the end of her message.

[ambrose]

The DUers are a bunch of vile Nazi-like thugs.

[swilhelm73]

Our country is, specifically, a Republican Democracy. Democracy is not only Direct Democracy, though it seems, especially here on FR, people are often claiming it to be. Definitionally, democracy is;

de·moc·ra·cy    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

---

[French démocratie, from Late Latin dmocratia, from Greek dmokrati : dmos, people; see d- in Indo-European Roots + -krati, -cracy.]

Nor, btw, is a republic necessarily democratic in nature - as one can see in a number of the republican city states of renaissance Europe.

[Diddle E. Squat]

I'm a 58 year old broad

Molly Ivins or Mark Morford?

[MinuteGal]

Dang, you're really on the ball, friend. FReepers are something else!

Will you please ping me at MinuteGal when you put it up? I'll probably want to forward it on to some brain-dead folks I know.

Leni

[kegler4]

The message itself is horrifying and awful, but taking it down is no big shock. Ridiculously outlandish or threatening messages get taken down on FR all the time, don't they?

[JoJo Gunn]

Sponsoring???

Can you imagine the sick and twisted Tokyo Rose demoralizing sewage they're sending to the troops?

[BlueNgold]

How old is Hillary anyway .... hmmmm ....

[Bringbackthedraft]

58 yr old broad? How old is Barbara Streisend?

[concerned about politics]

I was there this AM to see if any were considering suicide over the Governorship elections or MemoGate and the call for Rocktfeller to resign.
I clicked on this, but the page had been deleted. I knew it must have been a beauty that the Democrats wouldn't want to go public. LOL.
Thanks for posting it. I'll e-mail a copy to people who normally don't vote. Add this to the MemoGate, and we have a winner!

[Keith in Iowa]

>>They boast 30,000 subscribers? Hogwash, lies, and bulls**t!

No - it's true. Many of them suffer from a "Multiple On-Line Personality Disorder" - characterised by signing up with multiple nicknames on web forums, and even going so far as to one person's various personalities aruging with themselves.

[xm177e2]

And it's not just one bad poster on DU who is responsible for that. There were plenty of posts which responded somewhat affirmatively (aka - "I can see your point"). The posts in which the original author was berated for being such a sick freak were deleted immediately.

[robowombat]

This is the pure undiluted hate filled spirit of the counter culture left. The rat poster would be just the right age to have spat on military personnel during the Viet Nam War and cheered for the victory of the VC. These people do hate normal Americans and have no real connection with the nation. Since they possess politically correct views they are self insulated and loath the mass of Americans as being crude, racists, homophobic, cretins who merit many 9-11's so that the enlightened minority can finaly be given the chance to control a shattered nation and force people to live in the correct leftist collectivist manner. Believe me the radical left has always hated normal Americans and always will.

[TexasCajun]

If a Democrat was president, they'd have already gotten their wish, but it would be the Iraqi people dying in droves under torture and piled in to mass graves, instead of US soldiers.

What'a mean 'If'? ...isn't that already written into the history books thanks to the last Democratic president.
Well, on 2nd thought, I doubt that it will make it into any history books.