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Bin Laden's role in 9/11 emerges (new info)
News.com (Australia) ^ | November 3rd, 2003 | Nick Fielding

Posted on 11/05/2003 7:00:16 PM PST by Sabertooth

THE two main planners of the September 11 terrorist attacks have revealed details of Osama bin Laden's close involvement in organising the atrocity, according to leaked transcripts of their interrogations.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh, who were captured in Pakistan and are in US custody, have disclosed that bin Laden chose the pilots who flew the doomed jets and headed a committee that debated details of the attacks.

The pair have filled in many of the gaps in knowledge about how the attacks were planned, and have named previously unknown co-conspirators and other fellow al-Qaeda members, according to the transcripts obtained by a German magazine.

The men have provided a wealth of new information. They have confessed that bin Laden was intimately involved at all stages in the planning of the attacks. When, for example, Mohammed proposed attacking CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with a light aircraft loaded with explosives, bin Laden replied: "Why use an axe when you can use a bulldozer?"

Mohammed also revealed that bin Laden personally selected the four pilots who took part in the attacks. When two Yemenis who had been picked could not get US visas, Mohammed Atta and Ziad Jarrahi were brought in as replacements to join Marwan al-Shehhi and Khalid al-Midhar.

Bin Laden and the committee of five other men debated all aspects of the plan as it developed. Their original idea was to organise two waves of attacks, the first using planes taking off from the US and the second in Southeast Asia.

Another early plan involved hijacking five planes on the US east coast and five on the west coast. It was abandoned because of the difficulty of co-ordinating such complex events in two time zones. Whenever they met an obstacle, the planners showed great flexibility in working around it and coming up with new ideas.

It is already known that by 1999 the main ingredients of the final plan had been decided, and training had begun. Mohammed has revealed that he wrote a training manual for the hijackers that included instructions on how to study flight schedules, select flying schools and gather information from the Yellow Pages.

Binalshibh, whose eight years working as a bank clerk had taught him how to move money through the international financial system, was appointed "co-ordinator of the operations of holy Tuesday" and became a personal favourite of bin Laden.

He has told interrogators he tried to get pilot training in Holland, but abandoned his attempts to join the other hijackers after his fourth application for an US visa was rejected.

The two men have confirmed that the September 11 targets had been chosen by June 2000. Over the next year, a series of meetings was held to update al-Qaeda leaders on progress. One took place in the mountains of Afghanistan in February 2001, another at Tarragona in Spain in July 2001.

The planners were thorough and carried out test runs on aircraft, smuggling box cutters on board to see if they would be picked up by security.

The whereabouts of Mohammed and Binalshibh have not been revealed by the US authorities. Asked whether torture was being used on the two men, J.Cofer Black, the US State Department co-ordinator for counterterrorism, has said: "All I can say to that is that there is a before and an after September 11." He added: "We have taken off our kid gloves."

However, according to the information leaked to Der Spiegel magazine, Binalshibh began to talk while he was still in the custody of Pakistan's intelligence service.

Mohammed was less co-operative, spending the first two days of his captivity crouching on the floor of his cell and reciting verses from the Koran.

Since then Mohammed has revealed details of much of the network he built up in the US to destroy bridges, planes, trains and fuel supplies.

He has admitted that one of his associates was Iyman Faris, a Kashmiri truck driver who was jailed for 20 years last week in Virginia after he admitted scouting New York's Brooklyn Bridge for a possible attack.

There is some suspicion that a few al-Qaeda operatives have been turned by their US captors in an effort to break down al-Qaeda's international structure further.

Mohammed has admitted that after September 11, while he was still on the run, he continued to plan attacks in the US, including one scheme to blow up petrol stations in New York and Washington.

The eventual fate of Mohammed, Binalshibh and the other senior members of al-Qaeda is unclear. Because of their importance they are not being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, where less senior members of the organisation are incarcerated.

In the end they probably face life imprisonment and even execution. Binalshibh, at least, appears to have no regrets. If he is released or escapes, he has told his interrogators, his first act will be to "kill 1000 Americans".



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; binalshibh; binladen; khalidmohammed; osama; osamabinladen; ramzibinalshibh

The whereabouts of Mohammed and Binalshibh have not been revealed by the US authorities. Asked whether torture was being used on the two men, J.Cofer Black, the US State Department co-ordinator for counterterrorism, has said: "All I can say to that is that there is a before and an after September 11." He added: "We have taken off our kid gloves."

However, according to the information leaked to Der Spiegel magazine, Binalshibh began to talk while he was still in the custody of Pakistan's intelligence service.

Mohammed was less co-operative, spending the first two days of his captivity crouching on the floor of his cell and reciting verses from the Koran.

Since then Mohammed has revealed details of much of the network he built up in the US to destroy bridges, planes, trains and fuel supplies.

He has admitted that one of his associates was Iyman Faris, a Kashmiri truck driver who was jailed for 20 years last week in Virginia after he admitted scouting New York's Brooklyn Bridge for a possible attack.

There is some suspicion that a few al-Qaeda operatives have been turned by their US captors in an effort to break down al-Qaeda's international structure further.

Mohammed has admitted that after September 11, while he was still on the run, he continued to plan attacks in the US, including one scheme to blow up petrol stations in New York and Washington.


1 posted on 11/05/2003 7:00:17 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
We are fighting back.
2 posted on 11/05/2003 7:12:06 PM PST by Huck
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; kmiller1k; mhking; rdb3; Travis McGee; GOPJ; ...





3 posted on 11/05/2003 7:15:16 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
"according to the information leaked to Der Spiegel magazine"

Der Spiegel?? vely intelestink!

4 posted on 11/05/2003 7:16:11 PM PST by jungleboy
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To: Sabertooth
I'm glad they got these guys, now I hope we kick some major butt with the information.
5 posted on 11/05/2003 7:19:03 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Sabertooth; seamole; Mo1; pokerbuddy0; Badabing Badaboom; mrustow; swarthyguy; aristeides
"co-ordinator of the operations of holy Tuesday"

Holy Tuesday?

Does this indicate that before the events a "tuesday" was chosen on purpose, or is the title an afterthought?
6 posted on 11/05/2003 7:21:59 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Sabertooth
bbbrrraaaaapp!!!

I mean, um, bump

7 posted on 11/05/2003 7:22:41 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: Sabertooth
We can't kill these creeps fast enough.
8 posted on 11/05/2003 7:26:36 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: Shermy
Does this indicate that before the events a "tuesday" was chosen on purpose, or is the title an afterthought?

I think it's an afterthought. All the stuff I've read said that they didn't have a specific date in mind. Once everything was organized and all the terrorists were here then Atta picked the date 9/11.

9 posted on 11/05/2003 7:28:09 PM PST by mikegi
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To: Shermy
Maybe they want to turn it into a muslim holy day.
10 posted on 11/05/2003 7:45:32 PM PST by xp38
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To: Sabertooth
THE two main planners of the September 11 terrorist attacks have revealed details of Osama bin Laden's close involvement in organising the atrocity, according to leaked transcripts of their interrogations.

Lots of leaked information and unnamed soures today identifying our past and current efforts against al-Qaeda and other jihadist irregulars. I think the 16 helicopter deaths may have had something to do with it.

It's like somebody is saying, lookee here folks, we are in this covert war and our soldiers are dieing for a reason. JMO.

11 posted on 11/05/2003 7:53:04 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Sabertooth
Torture isn't necessary with the right drugs.

I remember the time when I was put under to have my wisdom teeth removed...mama...
12 posted on 11/05/2003 7:54:46 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
13 posted on 11/05/2003 7:56:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Huck
>>>We are fighting back. <<<

No, we are about to prosecute a Lt. Col West for firing a gun into the ground to intimidate an Iraqi under questioning in a plot to blow up US soldiers.

The ploy worked - the guy spilled the beans and the attack was foiled.

And yet the PC Pentagon wants to prosecute Col West for violation of the "Rules of War".

At this rate, well be fighting them for 100 years!

Write Rumsfeld - This Is An Outrage

14 posted on 11/05/2003 8:07:02 PM PST by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: Sabertooth
He has admitted that one of his associates was Iyman Faris, a Kashmiri truck driver who was jailed for 20 years last week in Virginia after he admitted scouting New York's Brooklyn Bridge for a possible attack

How much time off will he get for good behavior?

That he is still alive beggars the imagination.

15 posted on 11/05/2003 8:11:31 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Sabertooth
Does anyone else notice that there is lots of 9/11 news coming out recently?
16 posted on 11/05/2003 8:27:02 PM PST by Symblized
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To: Symblized
Your not the only one.
17 posted on 11/05/2003 8:33:57 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: Sabertooth
The whereabouts of Mohammed and Binalshibh have not been revealed by the US authorities. Asked whether torture was being used on the two men, J.Cofer Black, the US State Department co-ordinator for counterterrorism, has said: "All I can say to that is that there is a before and an after September 11." He added: "We have taken off our kid gloves."

Wow. Thanks for posting this.

18 posted on 11/05/2003 8:46:57 PM PST by ellery
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To: Shermy
"Does this indicate that before the events a "tuesday" was chosen on purpose, or is the title an afterthought?"

Almost certainly an afterthought, given Atta's coded message using "sticks" to identify the final date of the attack. If the attack was planned for 9/11 from the start, there would've been no need of the code.

This article also confirms that Atta's trip to Spain in July was for a meeting related to the action. Previously, that had been speculation, as I recall.

This was probably a "purpose leak".

"There is some suspicion that a few al-Qaeda operatives have been turned by their US captors in an effort to break down al-Qaeda's international structure further."

And the above probably identifies the purpose. Nothing like sowing a little doubt and uncertainty about one's associates...

19 posted on 11/05/2003 9:28:49 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping Saber, and all the work you've been doing. :)
20 posted on 11/05/2003 11:40:10 PM PST by Flipyaforreal
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To: Sabertooth
jihad bump
21 posted on 11/05/2003 11:57:38 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the post and ping ...

In the end they probably face life imprisonment and even execution. Binalshibh, at least, appears to have no regrets. If he is released or escapes, he has told his interrogators, his first act will be to "kill 1000 Americans".

Say goodnight, Dick ! ...


22 posted on 11/06/2003 1:49:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Shermy
Does this indicate that before the events a "tuesday" was chosen on purpose, or is the title an afterthought?

It was chosen on purpose, but not for any religious reason. Tuesday is the least-busy day of the week in commercial air travel. Fewer people on board = less chance of any "Let's Roll"-style passenger uprisings.

23 posted on 11/06/2003 1:57:48 AM PST by Timesink
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To: Sabertooth
"Glad that I am an infidel" bump.
24 posted on 11/06/2003 5:15:55 AM PST by b4its2late (I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy.)
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To: Sabertooth
So the plot was hatched and the great bulk of the planning was done while Clinton was president.

What does this do to the current democratic argument that the terrorists are terrorists because Bush is so mean to terrorists?
25 posted on 11/06/2003 6:54:47 AM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: Sabertooth; Shermy
I looked for the article on the Der Spiegel site, and found this: Operation Heiliger Dienstag [Operation Holy Thursday]. Since it would cost money to look at the articles in the dossier, I'm going to try to find a hard copy of the issue of the magazine instead.
26 posted on 11/06/2003 7:44:52 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Shermy
So hard to tell with these guys. The amount of mysticism prevalent is so pervasive - Remember the Osama tape released the same day as the Attack on the Indian Parliament, December 2001?

In it, the Saudi mullah and Osama spoke about the dreams of the muj, talking about players in pilot uniforms playing on soccer fields, and dreams and visions of planes, burning buildings etc. Osama said he counselled the brothers not to speak about their dreams and visions with others, in order to preserve the secrecy.

Holy Tuesday prolly became so after the Consecration ceremony performed in NY. IMO, unimportant whether they consider it holy before or after - It certainly is now and is written about in glowing terms in some of their missives.

Only the earthy, empirical, quantifiable demonstration of America's resolve could possibly negate the megalomaniacal mysticisim of the mullahs, military and rulers by demonstrating the power of rationality over irrationality.
27 posted on 11/06/2003 10:13:48 AM PST by swarthyguy
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