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IU Affirmative Action Bakesale Followup
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Posted on 11/06/2003 9:02:07 PM PST by Rush Reagan

Hey guys you've probably read the thread about us having an affirmative action bakesale here at IU. I thought since we had it I'd give you an update. Well as you can probably guess it's been a real firestorm. When we had it there were probably 40-70 black people yelling at us for 2 hrs. No violence, and the University did not attempt to shut us down. So far they have actually been very supportive of our freedom of speech. However, after the bakesale in a time period of only 5 hrs the Black Student Union organized a forum where over a 100 people totally castigated the President of the Committee for Freedom, the group that put on the bakesale. We had not anticipated this and were not prepared. We should not have attended, but the President of the organization was forced to go by his boss because he is an RA. We've attracted a lot of news attention. We were the lead story on the local news last night as well as frontpage news in the student and local papers today. The Indianapolis Star also did a story and it has been picked up by the AP. Soon there will start to be letters coming in that call the organizer racist and slandering him. There have already been complaints that such protest should not be allowed at the school. That's good because that's what we wanted and we knew they would do that. We are drafting a response and we are going to hammer them. If any of you would like to help us by writting a letter to the editor of the school newspaper or Indianapolis Star get in touch with me. Thank you.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Indiana; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; bakesale; indiana; indianauniversity; iu
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1 posted on 11/06/2003 9:02:09 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
So what is an AA bakesale? :')
2 posted on 11/06/2003 9:07:19 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
my question, too.
3 posted on 11/06/2003 9:11:57 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Howard Dean is the doppelganger of the Joker, only more insane.)
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To: CindyDawg; GulliverSwift
I'm sorry if you didn't get to see the original post where I explained it. It is where you protest affirmative action by selling cookies with different prices based on race. For example Whites:1 dollar Blacks 50 cents etc.
4 posted on 11/06/2003 9:17:07 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
5 posted on 11/06/2003 9:19:38 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1014709/posts
6 posted on 11/06/2003 9:25:57 PM PST by TheBigB (Check out my new pic at the FReeper Photo Album home page!)
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To: Rush Reagan
Well, I gotta hand it to IU. Most other bakesales like this I've read about have been shut down by the powers that be.

Looks like you've stirred the hornets nest but good.

Please keep us informed as to what happens.

BUMP!

7 posted on 11/06/2003 9:28:37 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: TheBigB
Thanks. The white males ought to have been the ones screaming:')
8 posted on 11/06/2003 9:29:03 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Rush Reagan
It takes a lot of courage to do what you guys did. I guess with 40-70 people screaming at you it was hard to "dialogue". Keep us updated on this and good luck to you.
9 posted on 11/06/2003 9:35:19 PM PST by Flora McDonald (GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS)
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To: Rush Reagan
Keep it up! You guys are doing more good than you think. A few events like this will seed a larger campus movement and there is no more harmful source of left-wing indoctrination than the university. This is where people learn that "it is obvious to any educated person" that tax cuts are bad, whites are all racists, welfare is good, and all manner of left-wing dogma.
10 posted on 11/06/2003 9:38:45 PM PST by Boston Capitalist
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To: Flora McDonald
Yea well there was some dialogue but it was pretty heated. The forum that night was the worst though. It was ridiculous. There was one guy there that said, "Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power." and he also said, "Freedom and equality don't exist and they never will." That is ludacrious. The worst part is he is a professor. This is the b.s. he teaches his students. Another lady also said that University policy needs to be changed so this sort of thing isn't allowed, and that free speech should have limits when it offends people.
11 posted on 11/06/2003 9:43:07 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
You should offer to compromise by reducing the differences in price by a factor of two. Perhaps even agree to charge whites and Asians the same price. Even agree to sell to everyone at the same price, but leave the old prices visible.

The true racists in this case are those who can't justify preferential admission policies and who don't want that issue to be visible. That is what creates the anger. Try adjusting the prices so that the difference is almost negligible. They will still be unhappy.

13 posted on 11/06/2003 10:01:09 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Rush Reagan
"The worst part is he is a professor..."

That is so pathetic. Truly pathetic. I wonder how he got his position...hmmm. It sounds like the hastily organized forum was designed to intimidate your group and also the administration into silence. Were any of them wearing brown shirts?

14 posted on 11/06/2003 10:04:17 PM PST by Flora McDonald (GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS)
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To: Rush Reagan
Curious... What were the final bakesale cash results???

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15 posted on 11/06/2003 10:08:24 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: Rush Reagan
"Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power."

Ridiculous. Who has more power - me, a middle aged unknown white woman or Jesse Jackson?

16 posted on 11/06/2003 10:12:19 PM PST by knuthom
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To: GeekDejure
We sold three one dollar cookies for a total of 3 dollars.
17 posted on 11/06/2003 10:16:16 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: knuthom
Also, who has more power a professor at a University or me a sophomore undergrad?
18 posted on 11/06/2003 10:17:09 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
There was one guy there that said, "Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power."

This has got to be one of the most idiotic statements ever uttered by a human. Being racist has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one has "power".

19 posted on 11/07/2003 12:18:47 AM PST by usadave
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To: Rush Reagan
I'm amazed that people on college campuses - those seeking an education & those providing one- see affirmative action at the bake sale level as racist, but can't see racism in affirmative action college admisions.

I have an idea for future AA bake sales--

Instead of adjusting prices for race &/or gender, charge the same price to everyone but supply a different amount of cookies for that price. A degree costs everyone (except for out of state students) the same no matter who's paying for it.

white male: 1 cookie/50 cents
American African male: 2 cookies/50 cents
American African female: 3 cookies/50 cents
American Asians if overrepresentation of minority population: 1/2 cookie for 50 cents

and so on.

And by all means get some good cookies!

As to the future meeting regarding your bake sale, I would ask anyone that's alleging racism to define what racism means. I'm really curious & I'm betting that you will hear that 'if it offends a minority it's racist'. (Please, please, please ask a few people to define racism & report back what they say!)

BTW, 'racism' is defined by Dictionary.com as
1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Looks like college admissions based on race, an act of discrimination, is racism in practice. Of course I know how to read a dictionary.

20 posted on 11/07/2003 12:30:52 AM PST by MIsunshine
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To: Rush Reagan
I recommend you run out and get this book as fast as you can:

Letters to a Young Conservative by Dinesh D'Souza

The book will help a lot. If you can swing it, try to get Mr. D'Souza as a speaker on campus.

21 posted on 11/07/2003 3:13:15 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: CindyDawg; GulliverSwift
Another Big 10 bake sale:

Northwestern University Affirmative Action Bake Sale - After-Action Report

22 posted on 11/07/2003 5:33:38 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Rush Reagan; MeeknMing
Congrats! Good job!
23 posted on 11/07/2003 5:34:44 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Rush Reagan
You're making waves......Congratulations!...That's the first step in making a difference.
24 posted on 11/07/2003 5:38:28 AM PST by hoosiermama (Prayers for all!)
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To: Rush Reagan
Just remember to maintain your humor, keep smiling. Let the other side get angry, agitated and out of control.
25 posted on 11/07/2003 5:57:12 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: Rush Reagan
I know it somewhat defeats the purpose, but how about an Alphabetical Action bake-sale? Anyone whose name begins with letters A-M pays $1, N - Q pays 50cents, and so on. While it dilutes the point a bit, who can protest something as arbitrary as this? OK, I know very well who could protest.

Or you can do it by their major. English, Politics, Psych pay $1, .... Of course, unlike the Alphabetical, you can still enrage people by saying Women's Studies, African-American Studies pay less.
26 posted on 11/07/2003 5:57:14 AM PST by sjmiller
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To: usadave; Rush Reagan
Here's an interesting way to counteract that: Find out what percentage of state workers are blacks. They are about 10% of the population, so if they are 20% or more, they have a lot more impact on how the state is run than whites do! If they say that's not so, tell them they're not doing their jobs! If you work for an organization, and you're good, you'll have influence.

As the most loyal representatives of public employee unions, blacks actually have quite a bit of political pull, and they should be called out on that early and often.

D
27 posted on 11/07/2003 6:24:28 AM PST by daviddennis
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To: Rush Reagan
It's great to know that you didn't get into a yelling match and lower yourself to their level.
28 posted on 11/07/2003 6:54:58 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Rush Reagan
What you are doing is truly brave and is a sincere struggle to tell the truth about AA. AA is a racist policy and should be challenged at every opportunity. Thank you Thank you Thank you for your courage to show the truth of what AA really stands for - benefits based on race and not merit.
29 posted on 11/07/2003 7:07:19 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Rush Reagan
"Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power."

I, personally, don't have "power" either - does that mean I can't be racist?

"Freedom and equality don't exist and they never will."

Then, sir, what exactly is your problem with this bake sale?

30 posted on 11/07/2003 7:49:05 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: MIsunshine
A degree costs everyone (except for out of state students) the same no matter who's paying for it.

There are some scholarships available only to blacks, or women, or American Indians, or minority women, etc ... so these people pay less, on average, than white males do. In which case, the cookies should all cost the same, but with "scholarships" that amount to refunds if one is in an affirmative class.

31 posted on 11/07/2003 7:56:05 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Jack Wilson; Rush Reagan
Just remember to maintain your humor, keep smiling.

Smiling and being happy is the absolute worst thing you can do to a liberal. Liberals are unhappy people who hate america. They say misery loves company. The liberals goal is to make everyone unhappy. Thus they attack anyone having a good time. If you smile, the liberals will feel their lonelyness and unhappiness even more.

32 posted on 11/07/2003 7:58:35 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue
We could have done a better job of smiling, but it's harder to do than you think when you have 40-70 people screaming at you at all times.
33 posted on 11/07/2003 8:05:36 AM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: William Tell
That is a good point. Most people can tell you in great detail what they don't want but one way to silence them is to ask them what they want.

Everytime they say something play the Columbo technique and say,"I not sure I understand what you want, can you please tell me again?"

Do this in the written response that is planned.
34 posted on 11/07/2003 8:11:57 AM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: Rush Reagan
""Freedom and equality don't exist and they never will."

At your next bake sale you should give an additional 1/2 off the appropriate price if the customer is unbelievably stupid.

35 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:04 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Rush Reagan
the Black Student Union organized a forum where over a 100 people totally castigated the President of the Committee for Freedom, the group that put on the bakesale

Interesting to see that Hitler's Brown Shirts are still alive and have only changed skin color.

36 posted on 11/07/2003 8:41:39 AM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: EdReform; Rush Reagan
Good job RR !! Any pics, btw ??

Oh, welcome to FreeRepublic.com !! ...


37 posted on 11/07/2003 8:46:05 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Rush Reagan
Was this at IU or IUPUI?
38 posted on 11/07/2003 8:49:33 AM PST by Kerberos (Socialism, it's not just a liberal thang anymore.)
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To: Rush Reagan
Don't forget to have someone with a video camera taping the sale.
It may come in handy in case a fight breaks out and the school tries to expel you for causing the fight.
Anyone starting a fight can then be charged with assault and thrown in jail.
Especially good to use against a professor if he/she is the one that instigates a riot.

You might want more than one person with a camera in case someone attacks one and destroys the evidence.
39 posted on 11/07/2003 8:50:43 AM PST by Chewbacca (Nothing burps better than bacon!)
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To: Chewbacca
Has anyone heard of Jane Elliott, the schoolteacher who, in 1968, did a classroom experiment called "Brown Eyes, Blue Eyes." She separated the class by eye color and then gave different privileges accordingly. Her aim was to teach the evils of segregation.

If someone supports the Elliott experiment, how could he/she then oppose the idea of the bake sale?
40 posted on 11/07/2003 9:01:12 AM PST by calvin sun ("Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL")
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To: Rush Reagan
Great job and give 'em hell!
41 posted on 11/07/2003 9:09:46 AM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: sjmiller
how about an Alphabetical Action bake-sale?

Next have a "Mend it don't End it" Bzke Sale by having a lottery where 10% of the whites entered would get the lower price.

42 posted on 11/07/2003 9:15:04 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: CindyDawg
Thanks. The white males ought to have been the ones screaming

They were just mad because some people shed a light on what affirmative action truly is. The first thing a racist liberal does when they get caught is blame some else for being racist.

43 posted on 11/07/2003 9:17:32 AM PST by m1-lightning (We ought not politicize this war. - Tom Daschle 09/25/02)
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To: m1-lightning
yeah, I know. You can't have it both ways though
44 posted on 11/07/2003 9:25:56 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Rush Reagan
>>>>>"...Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power..."

Tell that to any White or Hispanic PFC that called General Powell the N-word.
45 posted on 11/07/2003 9:29:11 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Mouthing support for the workingman is one of the best ways to avoid actually being one.)
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To: AR15_Patriot
Blacks keep acting the way they are acting they will lose their power. When 70 percent of the US suffering from AA discrimination (65 percent white, 5 percent Asian) unite against this policy politically, the remaining 30 percent will be hurting big time.
46 posted on 11/07/2003 9:35:49 AM PST by Fee
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To: usadave
This has got to be one of the most idiotic statements ever uttered by a human

Months ago there was A liberal student white female guest on
Hannity & Colmes who was incensed that someone had printed
literature with the face of the famous Mumia, below that , the words, 'Cop Killer'. She insisted it was racist. When
H reminded her that this individual was, indeed, convicted of cop killing, and therefore by default, a cop killer, she stuttered and whimpered. She balked at H's referrences to black racism, actually being under the belief that racism only connotated white discrimination against black. She was on camera, but would not give her name.
47 posted on 11/07/2003 9:36:54 AM PST by bk1000 (allright already, I'll change the tag line. gimmie a minute to think of something.)
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To: Rush Reagan
What kind of cookies?
48 posted on 11/07/2003 9:37:44 AM PST by bk1000 (allright already, I'll change the tag line. gimmie a minute to think of something.)
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49 posted on 11/07/2003 9:47:40 AM PST by katnip (It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains)
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To: Rush Reagan
Great job! The Ball State University Daily News picked it up as a news brief today. Keep us updated on any further developments.
50 posted on 11/07/2003 10:10:20 AM PST by The Grammarian
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