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Memo sparks GOP to issue ultimatum
Washington Times ^ | Friday, November 7, 2003 | By James G. Lakely

Posted on 11/06/2003 10:55:06 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:10:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Senior Senate Republicans said yesterday that unless Democrats disavow a plot to use the traditionally nonpartisan intelligence committee to wage political attacks on the Bush administration, they would consider taking away Democrats' power-sharing privileges.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference, said that if Democrats expect cooperation from the White House in the investigation of intelligence failures that preceded the war in Iraq, "they've got to stop the politics."


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KEYWORDS: 2004memo; prewarintelligence; rockefeller
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1 posted on 11/06/2003 10:55:06 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Bush would be crazy to supply these fools with any critical information on intelligence operations.
2 posted on 11/06/2003 10:59:15 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Anything the administration shares with Senate intel comm. almost invariably ends up on the front page of the W. Post and NY Times.
3 posted on 11/06/2003 11:07:23 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
If the GOP pushes this thing, the news story will be another scurrilous leak by the GOP, putting partisan politics above national security. It's crazy, I know, but just watch.

In reality, though, the Pubs have already signalled that if the rats just fire one of their clerks, the matter will be dropped (in spite of the fact that the memo probably came down from the DNC).

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican and member of the intelligence committee, said Democrats have a responsibility "to tell us where [the memo] came from ... and to have that staffer removed."

4 posted on 11/06/2003 11:12:37 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("You're it!")
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To: JohnHuang2
The power starved Democrats have become cockroaches..
You don't share with or feed cockroaches....you squash the bastards..

If the Republicans don't draw blood on this one, there is no hope for them....

Semper Fi
5 posted on 11/06/2003 11:17:54 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: Bonaparte
When you see a politicization of intelligence jeopardizing the safety of our troops during a time of war and trivializing the security of our country... it's time to take the gloves off and slap that "RAT" party down.

The DemocRAT party is in it's "death dance"....FINALLY!

The FBI and the Department of Justice MUST investigate, charge and convict any and all United States Senators responsible or complicit in this incredibly dangerous plan.

It's time for the majority party to discard this bipartisan charade and begin to take hold of their rightful role in the Senate.

Republicans....Be a Majority Party and claim your constitutionally elected power!

We elected you...do your damn job and protect our country!

6 posted on 11/06/2003 11:20:30 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (Kennedy... Leahy... Moran... Kucinich........ any more "Catholic" abortion proponents... ?)
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To: JohnHuang2
Senate Republican leaders are such morons.
7 posted on 11/06/2003 11:21:15 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: Bonaparte
If the Republicans don't use their power and outrage to shed light on this whole thing, then they are cowards unworthy of maintaining power.

I see no purpose to pretend there is bipartisanship when there isn't.

Look what they are doing on judges and in the press. It is obvious they are back stabbing anti-American thugs who only get away with this stuff because at times the spines of Republicans turn to jello.

The Democrats are acting more French every day. We should not reward their evil ways by acting like timid church mice.
8 posted on 11/06/2003 11:30:15 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: edsheppa
They run scared at the thought of any controversy.
9 posted on 11/06/2003 11:30:49 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JohnHuang2; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1015980/posts
MemoGate- sedition, slander-- or something worse?
Various FR links | 11-06-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy


10 posted on 11/06/2003 11:37:34 PM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? Forever known as The Decade of Fraud(s)...)
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To: backhoe
BTT
11 posted on 11/06/2003 11:38:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2
"Has it been created, or is it really a rift?" Mr. Rockefeller said last night. "There are created rifts and there are rifts, and I'm not sure which category this falls into."

Another great moment in statesmanship, brought to you by the Democratic Senate Caucus.

12 posted on 11/06/2003 11:43:00 PM PST by squidly
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To: backhoe
You're still working. I'm fixin to take to calling you Superman. :)
13 posted on 11/06/2003 11:44:31 PM PST by onyx
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To: Jeff Chandler
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican and member of the intelligence committee, said Democrats have a responsibility "to tell us where [the memo] came from and to have that staffer removed."
............................................................

It's naive to think that some staffer wrote that on his/her own. Staffers don't just sit around writing theoretical strategies on official memo paper describing how to best use intelligence to "take down" a sitting president. This was circulated amongst the committee Democrats.

14 posted on 11/06/2003 11:49:07 PM PST by anglian
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To: anglian
They know it wasn't written by a staffer, but they also know that any Pub who pushes this will be trashed in the media, so they'd rather just let it go and pretend it didn't happen.
15 posted on 11/06/2003 11:52:03 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("You're it!")
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To: JohnHuang2
Have you seen that Andrew Sullivan thread with the insane post from DU? Well, that's not only the way the bitter, partisan Democrat masses think, that is exactly the way Democrat politicians think, too.

The Democrats believe that their best opportunities to gain power would come from:
1. A struggling economy where people lose their jobs, their savings, and their homes, and
2. A lot of dead soldiers in Iraq.

These are exactly the things that Democrats are (quietly) hoping for.
And probably the things that they are working to make happen.

How sick is that?
16 posted on 11/06/2003 11:53:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: backhoe
Hi, backhoe.
Good to see you posting.
17 posted on 11/06/2003 11:54:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: A CA Guy; Interesting Times
They run scared at the thought of any controversy.

By "they" I presume you mean the Senate Republicans. If so, I agree. What the Senate Republicans have failed to realize is that there have been innumerable signals that 'times have changed'.

IMHO the problem is that far too many Senators were there when the Republicans were the minority. They had plenty of time to play golf and be useless while the Democrats investigated Iran-Contra, etc.

The Republicans - led by Bob Dole (Tax Collector for the Welfare State) and Trent Lott (Sissy-Boy extraordinaire) never got the hang of being in charge! It was all amiable quips and comments and "My good friend the honorable Senator from Massachusetts" instead of Sam Irvin here's how you lead when you have power!

Grassroots Conservatives put our trust in Dr. Bill Frist to change the dynamic! To date that hasn't happened. First we had Jumpin Jim Jeffords thwart us for two years and now Senators Schumer and Clinton may as well be the Majority Leader and Majority Whip!

Orrin Hatch and Arlen Specter are so afraid of losing their tee times with "The Right Honorable Senator from Massachusetts" that they have forgotten why they are there! It's not just the Dems that make me scream for Term Limits. It's the idiots within our own party who refuse to step up to the plate and fulfill the role that history has dealt them.

In the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich was a visionary. He knew what could be accomplished and he also learned several aspects of what the new technology could do politically. Bob Barr learned to understand it early as well. That understanding is what led Congressman Barr to seek the impeachment of Clinton. Barr knew what the Amerian People were thinking and he knew what was right. Additionally, Congressman Barr placed more credence in his oath than in seeking the favor of the enemy.

The new political reality that has been brought about because of talk radio, the internet, CSPAN, broadband communications, 24 hour cable networks (with an Honorable Mention going to Fox News) has changed the landscape of American Politics. The Democratic Party is headed for the ashheap of history. The problem we have on Free Republic is that we see it, read it, breath it and live it and NO ONE in the Senate does!

There is NO ONE in the Senate that has the vision, the grasp of the new political reality because of the new technology, and the leadership skills and principles to make the Senate run. The US Senate makes dinosaurs look current.

When that person comes along and is politically viable to hold the post of Senate Majority Leader! Life is gonna get interesting!

You heard it here first!

TS

My bet is on Rick Santorum!

18 posted on 11/06/2003 11:58:22 PM PST by The Shrew (Radio Free Republic - The New NPR!)
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To: Lancey Howard
The Democrats believe that their best opportunities to gain power would come from:

1. A struggling economy where people lose their jobs, their savings, and their homes, and

2. A lot of dead soldiers in Iraq.

These are exactly the things that Democrats are (quietly) hoping for.

And probably the things that they are working to make happen.

How sick is that?

You have pegged it absolutely. The democrats are sick b*st*rds. (Minus Zell Miller who apparently has some integrity!)

Outstanding post!

Regards,

TS

19 posted on 11/07/2003 12:01:12 AM PST by The Shrew (Radio Free Republic - The New NPR!)
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To: JohnHuang2
"There are created rifts and there are rifts, and I'm not sure which category this falls into."

Is it me or does this sound remarkably Clintonian? I'd be surprised if Rockefeller didn't say this whilst intermittently biting his lower lip and nervously fidgeting with a cigar.
20 posted on 11/07/2003 12:05:41 AM PST by opus86
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To: opus86
Yes, quite Clintonian. Maybe Jay's had some coaching.
21 posted on 11/07/2003 12:06:51 AM PST by nopardons
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To: The Shrew
I agree with what you say.

I think Republicans are so afraid to offend Democrats that they stagnate their ability to get anything done.

The problem with the Republicans actually comes down to this one statement:
"They show the Democrats respect when they should not and don't get it in return."
22 posted on 11/07/2003 12:10:02 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Lancey Howard
My kind regards to you!
23 posted on 11/07/2003 12:15:14 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Sunset...)
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To: JohnHuang2; Bonaparte
Treason. During a time of war. The penalty is death.
24 posted on 11/07/2003 12:20:16 AM PST by ambrose
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To: onyx; nopardons
Thanks, & a Tip O' the Hatlo Hat to you both:


25 posted on 11/07/2003 12:21:14 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Sunset...)
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To: ambrose
If this ain't treason, then the word is meaningless.
26 posted on 11/07/2003 12:21:18 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: ambrose
There you go thinking like George Washington again. :-)
27 posted on 11/07/2003 12:25:30 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: JohnHuang2
OOOOOOOOOH, I bet the Dems are shaking in their boots with yet another worthless GOP threat to actually act like they are in the majority.

28 posted on 11/07/2003 12:29:16 AM PST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: squidly
"Has it been created, or is it really a rift?" Mr. Rockefeller said last night. "There are created rifts and there are rifts, and I'm not sure which category this falls into."

[squidly]: Another great moment in statesmanship, brought to you by the Democratic Senate Caucus.
_______________________________________________________________________

Maybe a West Virginian can explain what JR is saying here.

29 posted on 11/07/2003 12:32:05 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: The Shrew; holdonnow; jmstein7; LS; Perlstein; remember; Luis Gonzalez; JohnHuang2; rdb3; mhking; ..
The Democratic Party, with few exceptions, is acting precisely like defense attorneys.

They are willing to lie, cheat, cajole, bully, blackmail, and smear. They will use any loophole, gimmick, trick, feint, bluff, or battle if it helps, even briefly, their struggle.

...And this gradual metamorphis from an honorable Party into the Party of trial lawyers is having some extreme effects. For one thing, Democrats were once almost two thirds of all registered voters in America. Now they're only 32%. Clearly Americans have become increasingly turned off by the Democratic Party "message" (which seems to be: say and do *anything* that helps today, regardless of the long term consequences).

For another thing, it has made the Democrats dependent upon special interest groups. Their internal struggles now center around keeping these ever-conflicting groups on their plantation while raising money; Herculean tasks, both.

And what do they have to offer? The special interest groups that comprise the core of the Democratic Party have few women, no Blacks, and no gays in positions of internal power. It's become an Orwellian white-bread Party that can have lilly-White men talk down to Blacks, women, and gays (don't ask, don't tell, and no you can't have any AIDS funding) with near impunity.

Moreover, they have no comprehensive Vision, no new ideas, and no policy plans. So they vote to authorize using force against Iraq. Then they claim that using force is a bad idea. Then they want us out of Iraq (give it to the UN). Then they reverse themselves again and don't want to "cut and run" from rebuilding that land.

It's laughable. Look at the California recall election. Neither Cruz Bustamante nor Gray Davis could tell the voters why or how they would save the state if given the chance on October 7th. Worse, the Democrats don't even have the advantage of feedback from honest discussion; the news media won't even permit the mentioning of this failure to offer Californians a plan to save the state from its crisis. In contrast, Schwarzenegger said that he'd perform a comprehensive budget audit to ferret out waste, repeal the car tax to stimulate the economy, reform the workmens' comp plan to save businesses, etc. Then Arnold brought in the best advisory team since Bush 1, Bush 2, and Ronald Reagan. Surprise! Arnold had a plan. Arnold won.

Now look at the 9 placeholders who are currently wasting our time by pretending to "campaign." None of them have a comprehensive plan. None of them have a message of hope. none of them has an all-American "Vision."

And thus, none of them stands even a remote chance of winning next year.

But this has *not* gone unnoticed in Democratic/Leftist circles. Sharpton has denounced their filibuster of Brown. Former Governor Wilder has denounced their lurch to the Left. Former Governor Jerry Brown has told them that they have to actually govern when they are in office. Senator Zell Miller has pointed out that they have so ignored and alienated the entire South that the whole Party has become a regional, rather than a national Party. Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch has criticized their anti-Iraq-war views (and endorsed President Bush). Even Andrew Cuomo has told them that they have to find their own "Vision" if they are to stand a chance. Likewise, fellow Leftist Tony Blair has shown them the Third Way from across the Pond.

It's just that the Democratic Party elite aren't listening. They want to fight and smear and lie and obfuscate as if they still had a full monopoly on the entire news media.

Well, that simply won't work any longer. The ways of Begala, Carville, and McAullife are obsolete (at best). Their strategies and plans have become so outdated and so beaten that they are now resorting to hoping and wishing for bad economic news. Now they cheer when tales of our casualties make the news wires.

Pathetic. They *deserve* to lose control of this great nation...and they are.

30 posted on 11/07/2003 12:33:39 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Bob Eimiller
Hear Hear!
31 posted on 11/07/2003 12:33:57 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Southack
Ding, ding, ding...stop the voting, hold all calls...

We HAVE a winner here! Great post!

32 posted on 11/07/2003 12:41:07 AM PST by SAJ
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To: JohnHuang2

33 posted on 11/07/2003 12:46:40 AM PST by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: Southack
Thanks for the ping! Is it just me, but do the Democrats use a lot of violent allusions the rest of us are denied in the name of PC? They talk about "pulling the trigger" in this memo, and before the last debate, several candidates made guns with their hands and pointed them at each other. This is something for which the average public school child would be suspended or expelled. Why can the Democrats again "get away" with something they would never allow the rest of us to do?
34 posted on 11/07/2003 4:59:04 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Democrats recycle: bad ideas, bad policies, bad people.)
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To: squidly
"Has it been created, or is it really a rift?" Mr. Rockefeller said last night. "There are created rifts and there are rifts, and I'm not sure which category this falls into."

Coming from the people who brought us the Lott scandalette, the Plame scandalette, the SOTU 17-words scandalette, and the trumped up "outrage" at President Bush's judicial appointments; this is truly HILARIOUS!

35 posted on 11/07/2003 5:02:32 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Democrats recycle: bad ideas, bad policies, bad people.)
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To: edsheppa
Senate Republican leaders are such morons.

Oh, that's right. It's the GOP that's the problem here, not the Democrats playing with the lives of our military.

36 posted on 11/07/2003 5:08:55 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: alwaysconservative; All
Email Fox and Friends with your views--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!

Friends@foxnews.com

Your posts are great--send an email!
37 posted on 11/07/2003 5:09:40 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
They know it wasn't written by a staffer, but they also know that any Pub who pushes this will be trashed in the media, so they'd rather just let it go and pretend it didn't happen.

Funny how you keep posting this junk. You're working far harder to help out Jay Rockefeller than any Republican ever would.

38 posted on 11/07/2003 5:10:14 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
Saxby Chambliss on F&F NEXT.
39 posted on 11/07/2003 5:13:42 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: Southack
South, I fundamentally disagree with you that the Dems were ever, in their 170 year history, a party of "honor." There were some excellent, honorable individuals in the party. Scoop Jackson, for example. Certainly there is no greater American of any party than Grover Cleveland, who today certainly would be a Republican, and one of our best.

But the foundations of the Democratic PARTY were corrupt and evil. It was founded primarily by Martin van Buren and William Crawford out of good intentions---to keep the nation from a civil war over slavery---but with the worst assumptions, namely that people can be "bought."

VB and Crawford designed a party that would protect slavery by enlisting national support based on a reward system called "spoils" or "patronage." The essential idea was that people would choose money over morals (i.e., the morality of slavery). If they supported the Dems, they made a deal with the devil NOT to address slavery as a national issue. Every major Dem politician between 1828 and 1860, no matter what his "personal view" on slavery, accepted this deal with the devil, including one of the otherwise more honorable men, Stephen Douglas.

To use your modern-day analogies, it is similar to the abortion debate, where "I'm personally opposed to abortion but don't want to legislate against it" is the position of virtually all so-called "pro-life Democrats."

So, over the next 150 years, a few honest, honorable, and decend Democrats could come to the national scene, but these were exceptions, bound by the limits of the corrupt party VB founded.

The Republicans, on the other hand, for all their early big-government procilivities, were AT THEIR CORE the party of liberty, i.e., freeing the slaves. Again, many (including Lincoln) didn't saty this was their explicit goal, but their writings reveal that was unmistakably their direction.

So, South, you have one party founded on corruption and slavery, another founded on the principle of liberty. I suggest both parties have, to one degree or another, come back to their roots.

40 posted on 11/07/2003 5:45:15 AM PST by LS
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To: JohnHuang2
Sen. Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat and committee member, suggested it was time to move on. "We need to create an environment of bipartisanship cooperation," Mr. Durbin said. "To have this last partisan fling, this doesn't strike me as cooperative."


F*&k Dick Hed Durbin!You're not getting off easy. One of the guilty party speaks.>:-(

Meanwhile, Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania Republican and former intelligence committee chairman, has called for an investigation into who wrote the memo and why. "I hope no senators are involved," Mr. Specter said. "But on the face of this memorandum, I think an inquiry has to be made. The intelligence committee cannot function with this kind of cloud hanging over it." Mr. Specter added that the memo controversy, if left uninvestigated, "is a built-in excuse for intelligence agencies not to cooperate."

Arlen is right on the mark hear. Give us Durbin and Rockefeller's heads. An example must be made.
41 posted on 11/07/2003 5:56:46 AM PST by DarthVader (DemoRAT Senators should have done to them what was done to Joe Pesci in Casino)
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To: Judith Anne
Can you please give us a summary of what Chambliss said?
42 posted on 11/07/2003 6:01:42 AM PST by seamus
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To: seamus
The first thing he said was that it wasn't the work of a low-level staffer (paraphrasing, here) but that it obviously came from much higher up, highest reaches of the Dem party.

Said that very sensitive intel is sent to this committee, and that Roberts cancelled a meeting of the committee on Friday (iirc).

Edie then added, "How can the WH guarantee the security of the information they send the committee, if they're going to be leaking it--they said in the memo they would leak intelligence."

Chambliss said Rockefeller was not that [traitorous] kind of guy, but guess what--I disagree. The dems are ALL traitors. I bet a lot of those 900 FBI files were on Dems, to keep their traitorous bleeps in lockstep.

BTW, send an email to Rockefeller and Roberts--use these links, tell them what you think:

senator@rockefeller.senate.gov

senator@roberts.senate.gov

43 posted on 11/07/2003 6:08:27 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: JohnHuang2
So who is this "staffer" who penned this "plot"?

The idea or suggestion that the "lying liberal plotters" can be trusted on any agreement is a joke.

They are filled with "FEAR" not knowing exactly what President Bush has and that is what they are after.

Two reasons for "Independent investigation" "TRASH President Bush with scandal" and get their hands on that "INTEL" they have not seen, while keeping it out of the "PUBLIC" view.
44 posted on 11/07/2003 6:11:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Some of that intel might be about secret deals made by Dems visiting Iraq before the war...didn't a bunch of prominent ones go there?
45 posted on 11/07/2003 6:13:34 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: Southack
And just a week or so ago I read where even Slick Willie was advising the 9 weasel democRATS “to appear” (read lie) more centrist for fear of alienating the general populace and losing the election.

Ignorance and arrogance is a volatile combination.
46 posted on 11/07/2003 6:19:15 AM PST by tractorman (9 out of 10 criminals oppose concealed carry laws)
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To: The Shrew
"It's the idiots within our own party who refuse to step up to the plate and fulfill the role that history has dealt them."

Whole-hearted agreement!

BTTT!

47 posted on 11/07/2003 6:21:03 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Judith Anne
The possibilities are endless of what President Bush has, and they are desperate to get their filthy hands on.

Putin got a show and tell on his last visit.

Monday this week the news on Fox said that the UN guy out of Iraq said that France and Russia had promised Saddam that they would stop President Bush through the UN.

Then there is the "Oil for Food" program run by the UN that a few got rich off of and our own State Department did nothing to end.

bjClinton was telling us to follow "Blix" before "Blix" ever gave his report to the UN.

I could go on and on. There are some who were in power that might have "ALOT" to be concerned about over "INTEL" and they don't know what President Bush has.
48 posted on 11/07/2003 6:24:34 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
And just think...the traitorous democrats won't even disavow the memo, in order to get their hands on the intel...

Somebody has the dems by the shorts...could it be--Billary?
49 posted on 11/07/2003 6:26:58 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: JohnHuang2
The RATS have been caught red handed but it is not the lead story on Brokaw, Jennings, and Rather. That is the problem. Without talk radio, we wouldn't even know about it.
50 posted on 11/07/2003 6:32:18 AM PST by doug from upland (Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
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