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Christians and Muslims
Washington Times ^ | Friday, November 7, 2003 | By Diana West

Posted on 11/06/2003 11:44:35 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:10:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You just might think you've struck a nerve when a guy who goes to work every day at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to promote interfaith dialogue someone who keeps people talking regardless of whatever hangs up on you. You've certainly struck out, anyway. But "dialogue" with John Borelli, the bishops' staff man on Catholic-Muslim relations, didn't hold much promise afterMr. Borelli said he wouldn't comment on an extraordinary article about the desperate plightof Christians in Islamic societies. The article that has appeared in La Civilta Cattolica, a Jesuit magazine thought of as the semi-official voice of the Vatican.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; clashofcivilizations; islam
Friday, November 7, 2003

Quote of the Day by jeannineinsd

1 posted on 11/06/2003 11:44:35 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Christians persecuted in Muslim countries? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
2 posted on 11/06/2003 11:56:04 PM PST by opus86
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To: JohnHuang2
ping!
3 posted on 11/06/2003 11:58:12 PM PST by lainde
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To: JohnHuang2
For all non Muslim religious leaders to not speak out loud and long is absolutely shocking. History will judge them accordingly some years from now.
4 posted on 11/07/2003 3:21:28 AM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: tkathy
These Christians who are Islamophiles are simply useful idiots.
5 posted on 11/07/2003 8:10:52 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Let me get this straight. When Islam goes into an area and tries to displace Christianity, it is a bad thing. But the Christian's Great Commission to convert all nations to Christianity is somehow logically better?
6 posted on 11/07/2003 6:00:06 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Salem
Ping.
7 posted on 11/08/2003 11:48:52 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: gcruse
I think it is the difference in tactics that is relevant. Islamists, when they are ascendant, typically take a "convert or die" approach. Christians, OTOH, take the "Accept Jesus or face your Maker on Judgment Day" approach. The latter is definitely the more benign one.
8 posted on 11/08/2003 12:00:11 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: JohnHuang2
>Christians and Muslims

I'm coming to think
these discussions should include
Mithraism, too...

9 posted on 11/08/2003 12:05:13 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: JohnHuang2; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
Christians and Jews in the same boat *Ping!*



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10 posted on 11/08/2003 4:47:22 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
11 posted on 11/09/2003 3:41:50 PM PST by SJackson
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To: BlackElk
*ping?
12 posted on 11/09/2003 3:52:45 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Moslem terrorists are hypentelium nigricans !
13 posted on 11/09/2003 3:53:38 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: JohnHuang2; Salvation; Land of the Irish; narses; MarMema
Ping ping. What do you all think about this?
14 posted on 11/09/2003 3:57:59 PM PST by livius
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To: yonif; SJackson; dennisw; JohnHuang2; Salem; Geist Krieger; MeeknMing; Sabretooth

The Truth About Islam

Observations by Dr. David R. Reagan

 

Ever since the Attack on America on September 11, 2001, we have heard a never-ending chorus of voices from government, academia, and the media assuring us that the Islamic terrorists who attacked the Trade Towers and the Pentagon are not repre­sentative of “true Islam.” We have been likewise assured by spiritual leaders — even some Christian spokesmen — that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

“Our war is not against Islam,” we have been told repeatedly. “Our war is against terrorism.”

Central Questions

Well, what about it?

The Intolerant and Militant Nature of Islam

One of the most controversial issues regarding Islam concerns whether or not it is a militant religion. Muslims in the West argue it is peace-loving. Westerners who have experienced it in the Muslim world argue it is inherently in­tolerant and militant.

The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: “Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . .  But keep your duty to Allah” (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 — “[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.”

The Koran also expresses an intolerant attitude toward any person who decides to reject the Islamic faith or convert to another religion. Such persons are to be executed (Sura 9:12). In the Hadith (the oral tradition of Muhammad’s sayings) it says “Whoever changes his religion, kill him” (Hadith 9:57). These commands are practiced in all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

With regard to militancy, the Koran not only condones it, it commands it:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:16).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).

Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood in the cause of Allah — a night spent in arms [war] — is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer. Whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment, his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim.”12

The Imperialistic Nature of Islam

From its inception, Islam has been committed to what it calls jihad — a word mean­ing holy war. The duty of Muslims is to subjugate or destroy “infidels” — the term the Koran uses for all non-believers.

In the Muslim viewpoint, the world is divided into two regions — those areas controlled by Islam, called Dar al-Islam (meaning the House of Islam) and those called Dar al-Harb (the House of War). The Koran commands Mus­lims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions, leaving Islam as the one and only religion in the world (Suras 2:193 and 8:39). Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say, none has the right to be worshiped but Allah” (Hadith 4:196).

Regarding terror, Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: “Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60). Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah” (Sura 8:12, 17).

Concerning jihad,14 the Koran guarantees Paradise to those who fight for Allah (Sura 4:74). It promises instant Paradise for those who die in battle (Suras 9:111 and 47:5-6). Dying for Allah is presented as better than living: “And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that others may amass [of worldly wealth]” (Sura 3:157).

Martyrs are promised a sensual and luxurious life in Paradise (Sura 52:17-22). According to Al-Ghazzali, one of Islam’s greatest teachers, when a martyr reaches Paradise, he “will marry 500 companions, 4,000 virgins, and 8,000 divorced women.”15 Commenting on this statement, Randall Price, biblical teacher and Middle East expert, observed that the Islamic Paradise is “just the kind of place that adolescent, unmarried men, isolated through their lives from the opposite sex by rigid cultural standards, would die for.”16

Fundamentalist Goals

The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran was the modern day Islamic spokesman who revived Muhammad’s vision of world con­quest. He taught that the re-establishment of Israel was a Satanic miracle allowed by Allah because of the lukewarmness of the Muslim masses. He called for a renewal of true Islam to accomplish three purposes:19

  1. To overthrow the “secular” rulers of Islamic countries (like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt), just as he had done in Iran.

  2. To take back the land of Palestine for Allah, exterminating Israel in the process.

  3. To conquer the rest of the world for Allah.

Notice the first priority was the transformation of secular Islamic countries into religious states ruled by the Koran. Then would come Israel and the world.

In a proclamation made by Osama bin Laden in 1998, he listed the same goals and prioritized them in the same order.20 He then identified the United States as the prime obstacle to the achievement of these goals. Accordingly, he called on Muslims everywhere “to comply with Allah’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.”

It is important to note that the eradication of Israel is not the top priority. Nor is Israel viewed as the major obstacle to world conquest. I emphasize this because many Americans are saying that the key to winning the war against terrorism is to dump Israel. More and more, on radio talk shows, I hear people saying, “Let’s cut Israel loose. Let the Arabs have it. Then they will leave us alone.”

That is utter nonsense. Israel is not the cause of Islamic terrorism toward the West. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, Fundamentalist Islam would still be determined to destroy America as part of its plan to take the world for Allah. And if we were to abandon Israel, the Muslim world would interpret it as an act of cowardice, proving our word is meaningless and that we truly are, as they say, “a depraved society devoid of values.” Our abandonment of Israel would only whet their appetite. Islamic Fundamentalism cannot be appeased. It must be de­feated.

15 posted on 11/09/2003 6:29:19 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: JohnHuang2; RaceBannon; nopardons
ping
16 posted on 11/09/2003 6:58:21 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Happy2BMe
Please see my tag line.
I think you have me confused with someone else.
17 posted on 11/10/2003 6:53:20 AM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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