Gay With Children (Barf Alert)

New York Metro Magazine ^ | 11/3/03 | David Usborne

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Yes, even twenty years ago, you could find gay parents who, one way or another, had acquired children, but they were the brave few, fighting an uphill battle against skeptical adoption agencies, disapproving teachers, and heterosexual parents who weren’t sure they wanted their offspring having sleepovers with friends whose two daddies would put the kids to bed. Now the mainstreaming of gay life has made adopting simpler, less controversial, and the number of people doing it has reached critical mass. “This issue has reached its tipping point,” suggests Scott Goldsmith, a clinical assistant professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical College. “Children are a far more visible part of gay culture.”

Inevitably, all these families with two moms or two dads are having a dramatic effect on gay expectations—and gay and lesbian identity. When younger gays begin to consider possible future relationships, they must judge potential partners in a different light—are they parent-worthy and do they have the same feelings about progeny? For older gays, especially those in established relationships, the question of children has arisen suddenly. Across town, gays are debating the pros and cons of becoming, of all things, breeders.

“When I was 24, what your life looked like it could become, for an upper-middle-class white gay guy with cultural aspirations, was a lot of clubbing, a lot of dating, and a lot of fucking and a lot more fucking,” observes the writer Daniel Mendelsohn. “We had some vague idea that if you got lucky, you might find someone to settle with far on the horizon.

“Now people in their twenties are looking at a cultural smorgasbord that includes not only Sunday nights dancing till six in the morning and taking ecstasy but also a time when you might get married and have children. And that is not all that different from the paradigm that all my straight peers were dealing with—that at some time they would settle.”

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Poor kids.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

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[tractorman]

It would be better for them if a millstone were hung on their necks and dropped into the sea than harming these children.

[NicknamedBob]

"...heterosexual parents who weren’t sure they wanted their offspring having sleepovers with friends whose two daddies would put the kids to bed..."

But they're not going to indoctrinate the children in any way. Oh, no.

Someone once said that obesity tended to run in families, even when the children were adopted.

[The Great RJ]

I'm afraid that the little Heathers with two mommies or worse yet little Jimmys with two mommies will grow up in a household with rather warped ideas about men. How will little Heather or Jimmy react at about age 12 when they become aware of their own sexuality and all they have seen and heard at home is that men are bastards and scum. Ditto for the little Heathers and Jimmys growing up with two daddies. What kind of sexual identity will they have?

[I still care]

"When I was 24, what your life looked like it could become, for an upper-middle-class white gay guy with cultural aspirations, was a lot of clubbing, a lot of dating, and a lot of fucking and a lot more fucking,” observes the writer Daniel Mendelsohn. “We had some vague idea that if you got lucky, you might find someone to settle with far on the horizon."

Would you give up a child for adoption, knowing it might end up with this man?

Besides which, I'll bet a reason a lot of people like the gay lifestyle is that they never have to settle down, they like the partying. I'll guess that a lot of gays are dismayed that "settling down" might be expected of them.

[scripter]

Thanks for the ping. That's a four-part original article which I'll have to read later.

I have plenty of information to take to the local county about why gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt. Sheesh - it's a behavior that can be changed and yet agencies refuse to acknowledge or are unaware of the facts. It's time to educate the county with what the experts have to say on the matter.

[Luke]

I'm sick and tired of sexual deviates destroying a perfectly good word like "gay".

[joesnuffy]

It was about 30 yrs when I was in college and sudsing my duds in the local laundramat
where I got to witness a thirtish looking couple with their some what defiant 8-10 yr old son..

"The dad" was a leather clad bulky diesel dyke and "the mom" some burnt out looking shell of a thin woman.

I couldnt help but feel for the young boy..and he kept looking over at me..as "the dad" was giving him a tough time about just doing what young boys do while being bored to tears hanging around a laundramat on a nice spring day..

To hear "mom" keep refering to the dyke as "your dad" as in "listen to your dad"...was disgusting..and the little boy was suffering...in severe psychological torment...this was not his dad and he wanted nothing to do with "it" or "them"...but he was a little kid...trapped...no where to hide or run to...

I couldnt imagine this poor kid having to explain the dyke as "dad" to his school chums or to the teacher on parent-teacher night...and the teach who had to accept this with a smile as though it was normal...

Of course our cultural leaders believe that fixing this problem is as easy as accepting the perverse as normal...the problem is with the straight folks not the crooked ones..

I wonder to this day ..what ever happend to that 'little boy' what did they turn him into
or did God have some sort of great grace for him that overode what this insanity might have done to him...


Its 30 some years later...and this 'phenomenon' has increased 1000 fold...and our culture is now replete with sodomite/lesbian apologists..(some even call themselves "conservatives) I imagine millions of these kids now grown up..themselves twisted and believing this to be the norm...and/or the norm to shoot for when defining a culture..leading a nation..and when inculcating 'values' to their own offspring..

We fixed the problem by making or attempting to make the perverse normal..acceptable..desireable...or even simply no big deal...so what..none of your business what others do to each other in the privacy of their own hell holes...(of course it never stays just there...it begins to permeate the culture & shape it's values..)

if America does not experience some miraculous transformation..I cant imagine it being a world power a whole lot longer...

Even the muslims & mexicans sense this...and are moving in to carve up the dying beast...i
as America moves from being the 'land of opportunity' to the 'land of opportunists'...imo

[upchuck]

Thanks for the ping, scripter.

I feel so sorry for these kids. As joesnuffy in #9 said above, they're trapped. But I wonder if they can know they're trapped.

[scripter]

Although I believe the causes of same-sex desire are mostly prenatal hormone conditions, I would agree that same sex behaviors can be changed.

Before I spend valuable time away from my family to engage you in a discussion, and since you became a freeper just today, I'd prefer to wait and see from where you're coming as time allows. You can get a very good idea from where I'm coming by reading my profile and/or clicking on the first link in the top left hand corner, or you can click here.

Your above comments tell me you haven't read the latest on the issue, but that information is readily available right here:

• Can Homosexuals Change? 
• How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together 
• Finding a Needle in the Ocean 
• Homosexual Researchers Debunk 'Born Gay' Urban Legend 
• Is Homosexuality Genetic? 
• Is Sexual Orientation Fixed at Birth? 
• Lust, Violence & Genetics 
• Is There a "Gay Gene"? 
• The Gay Gene? 
• The Biological Research on Homosexuality 
• The Fading "Gay Gene" 
• The Gay Gene: Going, Going...Gone 
• The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science 
• A Change In Thinking 
• What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? 
• Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior 
• What Is "A Homosexual" 
• Gender Identity Disorder 
• Where Did the Gay Gene Go? 
• Born What Way? 

Perhaps you can read some of the above links prior to our future discussion? I certainly hope so.

[Held_to_Ransom]

Every gay family is entirely dependent on the failure of a straight family to provide them the chance to raise kids.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Wonder what happened to the kids?

[N3WBI3]

had acquired children

How pathetic, I hope god grants me the gift of a kid, I do not hope to 'acquire' one as if they are a car, or exotic pet...

[Alouette]

The homosexual adoption advocates make the absurd claim that it is better for a child to be placed with a gay "family" than to languish unloved in some orphanage. This claim makes the assumption that there are millions of unwanted children suffering in gloomy, Oliver Twist orphan asylums.

The reality is that such orphanages no longer exist, and there is a long waiting list of childless, heterosexual couples who want to adopt. The gays just want to be moved to the head of the line ahead of the "breeders".

[Aquinasfan]

To hear "mom" keep refering to the dyke as "your dad" as in "listen to your dad"...was disgusting..and the little boy was suffering...in severe psychological torment...this was not his dad and he wanted nothing to do with "it" or "them"...but he was a little kid...trapped...no where to hide or run to...

Absolutely tragic.

[Aquinasfan]

The reality is that such orphanages no longer exist, and there is a long waiting list of childless, heterosexual couples who want to adopt. The gays just want to be moved to the head of the line ahead of the "breeders".

Good point.

[Houmatt]

Let's not forget the sexual abuse these poor kids will certainly go through as the pedophiles of the world enter and exit their lives.