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Allen B. West, Lt. Col., U.S. Army
The Federalist Newsletter | 11-7-03 | The Federalist Staff

Posted on 11/07/2003 2:39:48 PM PST by FlyLow

Last week, Allen B. West, Lt. Col., U.S. Army, was indicted on criminal assault charges for the psychological intimidation tactic he used to acquire vital intelligence from a captured enemy combatant in Iraq. Col. West's interrogation -- which included, as a last resort, twice firing his sidearm away from the detainee -- obtained information of an imminent attack against soldiers under his command, undoubtedly saving an untold number of American lives. Apart from his prosecution, Col. West's so-called "criminal assault" produced other, more constructive results: "There were no further attacks from that town," notes the colonel. "We further apprehended two other conspirators (a third fled town) and found out one of the conspirators was the father of a man we had detained for his Saddam Fedayeen affiliation."

He now faces an Article 32 hearing scheduled for November 10 in Kirkuk, which could result in his court-martial. The 4th Infantry's divisional judge advocate initially offered West the option to resign his commission and forfeit his retirement benefits (one week short of his 20-year retirement eligibility) or face a general court-martial and a sentence of eight years in prison. (Gee, thanks, Your Honor.)

Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice describes criminal assault in these terms: "Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct." The Army's judge advocate interprets West's actions to be in violation of this restriction. This may be correct, but in both civilian and military courts, decisions are frequently made to decline prosecution based on extenuating circumstances -- and this, clearly, should be one of those cases.

In his only statement since the incident, Col. West asks, "[The enemy detainee] and his accomplices were a threat to our soldiers and the method was not right, but why should I lose 20 years of service or be forced into prison for protecting my men?"

The Federalist asks the same question and calls on fellow Patriots to come to the aid of Col. West and all officers on the front line in our nation's ongoing war against Islamic terrorism and its state sponsors. How can we expect our frontline officers to fight wars the Bush administration calls "preemptive" if they are not given the latitude to respond -- preemptively -- to the asymmetric threats of terrorist aggressors? Would the deaths of American soldiers in the ambush Col. West thwarted at Saba al Boor have constituted a more acceptable result for the Army's judge advocate? While the military is successfully adapting its capabilities to meet the challenges of asymmetric, anti-terrorist warfare, a paradigm shift in how the military expects its officers to carry out such a war seems to be in order.

In the last two days, almost 70,000 Patriots have signed our petition to exonerate Col. West from this grossly misguided criminal prosecution. Please join us. Link to -- http://PatriotPetitions.US/colwest


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1 posted on 11/07/2003 2:39:48 PM PST by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow
"Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice describes criminal assault in these terms: "Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct." The Army's judge advocate interprets West's actions to be in violation of this restriction. This may be correct, but in both civilian and military courts, decisions are frequently made to decline prosecution based on extenuating circumstances -- and this, clearly, should be one of those cases."

Why are they claiming that he is in violation of this article? This can't really be true in a hot zone and that is what we have here. Major hostilities have ended but not the war? At least that is what we are being told. Is there more to this story or what?
2 posted on 11/07/2003 2:50:18 PM PST by WHBates
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To: WHBates; FlyLow
Thank you for posting this. I was wondering how many had signed. I had posted the link to FR in a couple of places. My brother, currently serving in Iraq, and his soldiers have gotten wind of this atrocity. It'll help out their morale I'm sure when I send him your post!! Here's what he sent to me this afternoon:




John Weisman: Memo to Army Chief of Staff Pete Schoomaker


November 3, 2003

[Have an opinion on this column? Sound off in John Weisman: Hot Discussions.]

Dear General:

Now let's see if I get this straight. An officer whose Tikrit-based troops have come under attack from Saddam loyalists becomes aware that an Iraqi detainee has information about a planned ambush of his Soldiers, but the prisoner isn't being cooperative.

The officer then goes to interrogate the detainee -- an Iraqi police officer, by the way -- and in the course of questioning, fires his weapon as a way of making the point that he's serious about obtaining straight answers.

The detainee then tells the truth. The ambush is averted, and Soldiers' lives are saved.

The officer is then:

A: given a commendation.

B: promoted to full colonel for showing initiative under pressure and loyalty to his troops.

C: told to resign his commission immediately or face a court martial.

The correct answer, I'm sorry to have to report, is "C."

Lt. Col. Alan B. West, who aggressively interrogated an Iraqi detainee so that he could prevent an ambush and save his Soldiers lives, is being charged with aggravated assault by his unit's JAG officer.

According to published reports, Lt. Col West allowed two of his Soldiers to "physically agress" the prisoner (an act for which they were later fined), and then West brandished his pistol and fired two shots to scare the man into talking.

For this, the Judge Advocate General's office wants to end his 19-year career and possibly send him to prison for eight years. Meanwhile, idiot officers who get their men killed are being given medals and promotions, and generals who have never come under fire are putting themselves in for Silver Stars.

General Schoomaker, this is madness -- and you have to put a full stop to it right now.

Because this is what happens when lawyers, not shooters, run the military.

This is what happens in the politically correct world in which a secretary of the army (Togo West) hires a consultant who actually drafts a report stating that the Army needs to become less aggressive and more in touch with its feminine side.

This is what happens when the Army culture replaces risk-taking and initiative with hundreds of pages of rules and regulations that hamper war-fighting, degrade unit integrity, and place inane limits on how Soldiers can or cannot conduct themselves in battle.

This is what happens when managers and systems analysts replace Warriors in the command structure.








This is what happens when somewhere along the chain of command, the idea that war is about killing people and breaking things gets completely lost. This is what happens when the Army forgets the words of General George S. Patton, Jr.: "We must be eager to kill, to inflict on the enemy -- the hated enemy -- wounds, death, and destruction."

Now, I'm not in favor of hooking prisoners up to field telephones -- although it has certainly happened in the past. Nor am I in favor of taking the Argentine approach to interrogation, i.e., tossing one prisoner out of a chopper 10,000 feet above the South Atlantic and then posing the question to the second prisoner in the chopper.

Moreover, Lt. Col West's actions came nowhere close to anything that can be called torture. Aggressive? Obviously. Outside the box? Absolutely. But aren't those qualities precisely the qualities we want in our officers?

Because if I were a Soldier serving under West's command, I'd say HOOAH, Colonel, and follow him to hell. Why? Because Lt. Col. West demonstrated something that far too few of today's officers are willing to demonstrate to their men and women: loyalty DOWN the chain of command.

Lt. Col. West put his Soldiers' lives above his own career. That sort of behavior deserves to be praised and rewarded, not given eight years and a dishonorable discharge.
3 posted on 11/07/2003 2:57:45 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: MeeknMing
Pinging.
4 posted on 11/07/2003 3:03:19 PM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: FlyLow
BTTT

American hero bump.

5 posted on 11/07/2003 3:04:48 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: StarCMC
Our armed forces need more men like Lt. Col West. The fact that his actions are even questioned reflects the US Army's feminization.
6 posted on 11/07/2003 3:09:01 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: WHBates; StarCMC
There is an additional argument in favor of what Lt-Col. West did. The person he was interrogating was a spy for the other side in this conflict. He was caught as a member of the US-trained Iraqi police force, a position he apparently took to gather information.

Under the Law of War, which predates the United States by about three centuries, a captured spy in a fighting zone can be executed on the spot. It is not necessary even to have a military (or "drum head") trial. However, such a trial is preferable as a matter of form.

General Washington used this power when he tried and hanged Major Andre (the British officer who was Benedict Arnold's contact, and was found behind American lines in civilian clothes). British General Clinton used exactly the same power when he tried and hanged Nathan Hale (also captured in civilian clothes, behind British lines).

And the US Supreme Court recognized, unanimously, that the Law of War has been accepted by Congress and applies to the US military, outside of the constraints of the Bill of Rights. See In re Quirin, 1942.

So, if Col. West had the authority to try and execute this spy, he surely had the authority to scare information out of him without actually harming him.

Second point: Where is Col. West's home state? His Congressman and both of his Senators should be all over the Department of Defense on this case. And if any of those fail to support Col. West, their voters should not support them.

I hope this information is helpful in putting a stop to this nonsense against this fine and able officer. And, yes, I would be proud for him to "have my back," anywhere, anytime, under any circumstances.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Open Judicial Mouth, Insert Foot," discussion thread. IF YOU WANT A FREEPER IN CONGRESS, CLICK HERE.

7 posted on 11/07/2003 3:15:29 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
They're going to put this guy in prison for SCARING the enemy. Terrific.
8 posted on 11/07/2003 3:23:11 PM PST by johnb838 (What about MY right to free speech?)
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To: StarCMC
Good comments.

What an outrage that brave soldiers are treated this way.

9 posted on 11/07/2003 3:25:48 PM PST by WOSG (I SUPPORT COLONEL WEST.)
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To: WHBates
This guy deserves a medal and if his commander want's him prosecuted the commander-in-chief ought to intervene. I know W can't be involved in every matter of military justice but this is egregeous. If Jessica Lynch is a hero this guy is Audie Murphy.
10 posted on 11/07/2003 3:40:15 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: FlyLow
"Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Jeepers! when I was in the Army, that's what we tankers were SUPOSED to do!
Does this apply to Spies, Sabetours, and Traitors?
The 'victim' was a Police Officer on 'our' side, wasn't he?
11 posted on 11/07/2003 4:06:20 PM PST by JackFromTexas (Not for hire. Again?)
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To: WHBates
This is how the UCMJ REALLY works, boys.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/hall/Mac.html

http://www.geocities.com/larryjodaniel/23.html

http://www.jenmartinez.com/vetsturn

Regards,

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
www.verpa.org
jmac1369@earthlink.net
12 posted on 11/07/2003 4:10:34 PM PST by jmac1369
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To: FlyLow
Thanks,
signed, hope it helps.
13 posted on 11/07/2003 4:14:21 PM PST by inPhase
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To: WHBates
The defense is obvious. LTC West never intended or attempted to do violence to this prisoner.

West violated policy in his treatment of the prisoner but did not violate the UCMJ. This should never have ended up in the criminal justice system.

14 posted on 11/07/2003 4:15:49 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: FlyLow
In Vietnam it was always the Korean units who were able to ID the enemy in the villages. American tactics were too soft, and the US always came away empty handed.
15 posted on 11/07/2003 4:16:49 PM PST by JoeFromCA
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To: FlyLow
will sign-hope FR monitors case-US has gotta up the intimidati0on of enemy strongholds and scare some people, shi**less.
16 posted on 11/07/2003 4:20:52 PM PST by 1234 (Border control or IMPEACHMENT)
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To: Congressman Billybob
"...British General Clinton used exactly the same power when he tried and hanged Nathan Hale..."

I know you meant to say 'General Howe.' ;-)

17 posted on 11/07/2003 4:28:52 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: FlyLow
Email the President here and let him know how you feel about Col. West.
18 posted on 11/07/2003 4:33:00 PM PST by etcetera
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To: Congressman Billybob
Under the Law of War, which predates the United States by about three centuries, a captured spy in a fighting zone can be executed on the spot. It is not necessary even to have a military (or "drum head") trial. However, such a trial is preferable as a matter of form.

Under the UCMJ, which POST-dates (and thus supercedes) that precedent, you're not allowed to shoot prisoners out of hand, nor are you allowed to disobey lawful orders.

Giving your own troops an Article 15 for disobeying a lawful order, and then disobeying that same exact lawful order yourself, is exceptionally bad form.

19 posted on 11/07/2003 4:35:56 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: FlyLow
Thank you for this posting. I was hoping for a way to support Col. West in some way. As other fellow freepers stated, this man deserves a medal not a court martial. As a Viet Nam vet, I find it troubling that our guys are restricted from getting the job done by the infection of political correctness inculcated by the left. I would just love to spit in the face of these assholes in the senate and congress who are undermining the morale of America's best.
20 posted on 11/07/2003 4:36:37 PM PST by awaken2spirit
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To: jmac1369
Permit me to be the first to warmly welcome you to the forum, John.
21 posted on 11/07/2003 4:55:13 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: FlyLow
Well I'm just about as sick of this crap as I can get. More PC junk warfare.

A couple/few REAL soldiers ought to find the nosey Parker, tattletale, sissified a$$ muncher and pay him a little visit.

The enemy is laughing at us on this one, I assure you.

22 posted on 11/07/2003 4:59:14 PM PST by numberonepal
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To: FlyLow
This is Kafkaesque!
23 posted on 11/07/2003 5:45:40 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: etcetera
Thanks for the link to President Bush. We e-mailed him and requested some common sense for a man who saved American soldiers - give him his pension, one fine medal and certainly no court martial!
24 posted on 11/07/2003 5:46:12 PM PST by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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To: FlyLow; StarCMC; grizzfan; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
Allen B. West, Lt. Col., U.S. Army

Thanks for posting this article and the link to the petition.

Please sign this petition.

We, the people of these United States, rightfully petition our President, House of Representatives, Senate and Department of Defense on behalf of Army Lt. Col. Allen B. West. Col. West, together with his fellow line officers engaged in combat with terrorists in Iraq, has been ordered to complete a difficult mission under impossible circumstances. U.S. forces in Iraq are not engaged in conventional warfare. They are facing a terrorist enemy who blends into the civilian population -- hiding behind women and children -- only to reemerge to conduct deadly attacks against our troops, themselves fettered by the rules used to govern traditional wars. Col. West's own battalion faces such attacks almost every day. While we acknowledge that U.S. soldiers have an obligation to adhere to a higher standard than their enemy counterparts, and that the Uniform Code of Military Justice is a fair and just standard in ordinary cases, we believe the circumstances surrounding Col. West's case are extraordinary, to say the least. It is beyond dispute that Col. West's actions saved the lives of men under his command when he extracted information of an impending attack against himself and his men from an enemy combatant in his custody. In twice firing his sidearm, Col. West never intended nor did he actually harm the interrogated prisoner. In this case, the end does indeed justify the means.

Col. West's actions do not merit prosecution, demotion, loss of benefits or prison time. Col. West's actions merit the praise of his countrymen for the lives he saved in the line of duty. We, citizens of the United States, do hereby petition for Col. West's reprieve from prosecution and return to duty through the intervention of the President, the Congress or the Department of Defense. We will not forget how our nation's leaders choose to treat this brave soldier.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


25 posted on 11/07/2003 6:05:57 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing
Signed. Thank you for the ping.
26 posted on 11/07/2003 6:17:06 PM PST by dansangel (*Visualize No Democrats*)
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To: numberonepal
Thirty-two years ago right now I was slogging my way through Atlas Shrugged too !

My senior year in HS. What a read ! It sure got my head to thinking, I tell ya !! I'm glad too !


27 posted on 11/07/2003 6:17:27 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: dansangel
Thank you ! ...

28 posted on 11/07/2003 6:22:00 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: awaken2spirit
I would just love to spit in the face of these assholes in the senate and congress who are undermining the morale of America's best.

Since you're a vet, I'll give you the place of honor and let you go first! Thanks for serving this country which, at times, sounds so stinking ungrateful. There ARE some of us who ARE grateful. I am one! God bless you, sir!

29 posted on 11/07/2003 6:25:05 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping. I'm still not reading much since surgery -- can't sit up too long at one time, however, FR is the first thing I check when I do logon.
30 posted on 11/07/2003 6:42:33 PM PST by Texagirl4W
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To: etcetera
FoxNews suggested emailing Rumsfeld. Who has his email address?
31 posted on 11/07/2003 7:04:33 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the heads up!
32 posted on 11/07/2003 7:17:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: JackFromTexas
I'm real torn about this one.

This obviously doesn't apply to combat action in a war zone.

However, I would be quite opposed to the expansion of "combat action in a war zone" to mean just about anything and everything. We already have an open-ended, non-war "war" going on in the continental USA, by virtue of the Congressional use-of-force-resolution. This has already been used to justify detentions under the Patriot Act which, however judiciously and carefully President Bush may be exercising this power, could be a nightmare under a President Hillary Clinton or President Janet Reno. Do we want the loosened fetters of "combat action in a war zone" to devolve, in a slippery slope, upon our police in peacetime?

I say keep the principle, but temper justice with prudence -- a LOT of prudence. Fine the good colonel $5 and forget about it.
33 posted on 11/07/2003 7:40:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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To: Texagirl4W
Aw. I sure hope you get back to 100% real soon ! ...


34 posted on 11/07/2003 8:00:47 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Bonaparte
Yep. Like John Belushi in Animal House I was "on a roll" and did not crack a history book to make sure who was the British commander on Manhattan when Hale was arrested and executed. Thanks.

John / Billybob

35 posted on 11/07/2003 8:08:49 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Hehe, I do it all the time, John. ;-)

Here's the memorial plaque for him located at 3rd Ave & E. 88th St, where he probably met his fate.


36 posted on 11/07/2003 8:56:37 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Congressman Billybob
Sorry, that would be E. 66th St. See? I tol' ya I do it all the time!
37 posted on 11/07/2003 9:00:28 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: FlyLow
Some people are more concerned with convicting our own soldiers for war crimes for frightening the poor enemy than they are with winning the war. Do they think they are fooling anyone into believing they anything other than traitors who live to see the American military humiliated and cast as villians and criminals for wanting to defeat our enemies?
38 posted on 11/08/2003 1:17:36 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks Meeky.. did sign & did send around to my email list ..
39 posted on 11/08/2003 8:18:49 AM PST by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have arrived.)
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To: jmac1369
A warm welcome to FRee Republic John...
40 posted on 11/08/2003 8:22:24 AM PST by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have arrived.)
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To: Jacquerie
We need a thousands more like You. God Bless Lt. Col West!!!
41 posted on 11/08/2003 8:28:32 AM PST by itsLUCKY2B (“Borders, Language, and Culture.”)
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To: DollyCali
Great ! :O)

42 posted on 11/08/2003 8:44:08 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: DollyCali
Thank you, Dolly.

If I were going to rate the officer who referred LTC West for charges under the UCMJ, I would do it thusly:

"This officer constantly fails to meet the low standards he sets for himself".

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
www.verpa.org
Web Log: www.jenmartinez.com/vetsturn/
Background: www.geocities.com/larryjodaniel/23.html
www.fromthewilderness.com/free/hall/Mac.html
jmac1369@earthlink.net
43 posted on 11/08/2003 11:18:23 AM PST by jmac1369
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To: Bonaparte
Thank you.

I have emailed Ltc West, his wife Angela and his attorney, Mr. Puckett. I provided the URL's from my first post on this message board in hopes that the information will assist in a meaningful way with respect to the tough decisions facing them soon.

The UCMJ is draconian at best.

And the United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB) is no barracks; it is a penitentiary in every sense of the word.
Once those steel doors clang shut and the locks are thrown, the only sound that penetrates is the whistle of a train off in the darkness as it runs along the Missouri River bank.

Regards,

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
www.verpa.org
Web Log: www.jenmartinez.com/vetsturn/
Background: www.geocities.com/larryjodaniel/23.html
www.fromthewilderness.com/free/hall/Mac.html
jmac1369@earthlink.net
44 posted on 11/08/2003 11:31:24 AM PST by jmac1369
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To: MeeknMing
I would be honored to be pinged by you.

Semper Fi! Danger is no stranger to the Airborne Ranger.

Somewhere in the Chain of Command, someone is going to have to muster the moral courage to disengage the formality of the legal issues facing Ltc. West. Whom ever that person is, may God Bless him or her.

Lets not add Ltc. West to the casualties of this thankless war. Let us rally around this warrior, not prosecute him! VERPA is soon to be before the Senate Judiciary Committee presenting abuses shielded by the FERES Doctrine since 1950. Let us not add Ltc. West to these egregious cases.

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
www.verpa.org
Web Log: www.jenmartinez.com/vetsturn/
Background: www.fromthewilderness.com/free/hall/Mac.html
www.geocities.com/larryjodaniel/23.html
45 posted on 11/08/2003 12:25:21 PM PST by jmac1369
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To: StarCMC
FALLING ON ONES SWORD or not: A lesson in moral courage.

Having been charged with article 118 (capital murder, premeditated, sentence; Death or Life ONLY) and then offered a "deal" for pleading guilty to manslaughter (maximum sentence ten years confinement at hard labor dishonorable discharge, reduction in rank and forfeiture of all pay and allowances) and refusing this offer and refusing to make a statement, the powers that be decided on a trial by General Court-martial. Little did I know that it made no difference of my innocence to the charge.
My God, man, this is the United States Army. They would not fabricate evidence in order to obtain an unjust conviction for a crime not committed! Hold on there. The charge sheet does not say the Untied States Army vs Captain John McCarthy, it reads "The United States"! Now that's a pretty big outfit! Listen up Ltc. West!

The president of the court-martial board told me sixteen years later, in 1984, that if the Army thought me innocent of the crime, they would never have charged me in the first place, and he, as an officer of the court had his duty to convict, damn the evidence. What blew his mind was the recantation of the government's "expert" witness. The Verdict had been Guilty. Deliberation on sentencing lasted less than three minutes. Sentence: "To be confined at hard labor for the term of your natural life". No discharge, no forfeiture of pay and allowances and no reduction in rank. I drew full pay and allowances for 686 days in the military's penitentiary in Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, equal distance to every border.

What's necessary here, Ltc West, is all the publicity you can muster and the finest CIVILIAN defense attorney available. The latter being the priority. DO IT NOW!

For the details, see:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/hall/Mac.html
http://www.geocities.com/larryjodaniel/23.html

This matter is so serious, it is difficult to put to words.
The deck is stacked. No matter the circumstance, once the wheels of justice are engaged re the UCMJ, they might just as well say, "Bring the guilty bastard in". DO NOT LET THIS MATTER PROCEED TO TRIAL!

My prayers to you and your family.

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
www.verpa.org
46 posted on 11/08/2003 3:30:41 PM PST by jmac1369
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To: jmac1369
Adding you to my list is my pleasure.

Thank YOU for your service to this great country !


47 posted on 11/09/2003 6:24:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We must keep this in context re "enemies within our ranks". It is a subject not discussed in most circles. During Special Operations in Vietnam, radio messages being sent from South Vietnam to North Vietnam were intercepted by our National Security Agency, deciphered and shockingly, contained the grid coordinates of the landing sites for our Studies and Observation Group (MACVSOG) "hatchet" teams into Laos, Cambodia and North Vietnam. It is no wonder that we suffered so many casualties during these operations. It follows that most, if not all, of our "secret" operations were penetrated by the opposition. Ted Shackley, CIA Station Chief from 1968-72, claimed to have an agent in the Viet Cong infrastructure, COSVIN, was code named "hackle", and was touted as the only successful penetration of that organization. Perhaps it was ego, but if you put a "S" in front of Hackle and a "Y" on the end, you get "Shackley".
Treason in War is so diabolical. Many things that go wrong in war can be attributed to espionage and sabotage. It is no different in the current war in Iraq. Take for instance the current legal action against LTC West. Who is pushing this? Is there not more harm being done than creating "good order and discipline". The opposition must be jumping with glee over this abortion.
John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
http://www.verpa.org
Web Log: http://www.jenmartinez.com/vetsturn/
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48 posted on 11/09/2003 10:02:59 AM PST by jmac1369
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To: johnb838
Yep, apparently they are going after West because he SCARED an enemy and save US lives. Almost leaves me to believe that our military has been infilitrated and they want Americans to die. West should get a medal. It's an outrage what is being done to him.
49 posted on 11/09/2003 10:18:28 AM PST by Dante3
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To: jmac1369
"This officer constantly fails to meet the low standards he sets for himself".

You treat him too kindly; mine would begin:

"This man is impersonating an officer."

50 posted on 11/09/2003 12:21:23 PM PST by Dratlatl
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