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180 pounds of nuclear material missing in Canada
WABC | November 7, 2003 | John Loftus

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:47:41 PM PST by Allan

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To: Allan
"A student of Nuclear Engineering at McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario. has disappeared along with 180 pounds of nuclear waste stolen from the university's nuclear reactor."

Democrats blame Bush.

51 posted on 11/07/2003 8:10:57 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Allan
Hmmm, think maybe he's Mormon or Presbyterian?
Naaaa
52 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:03 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam...it's about Islam.)
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To: John H K
2) Armchair war criminals have posted their cool little pics of nuclear explosions and suggesting Mecca and Medina be nuked, oh, geez, I don't know, several thousand times on FR. It sorta stopped being original or interesting or cool somewhere around the first time it was done.

Same goes for the endless "bullets dipped in pig fat" posts. Is anyone dumb enough to actually believe that this would intimidate the terrorists???

53 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:24 PM PST by mikegi
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To: John H K
Wrong. The Canadians are parsing their denials a la Clinton as to which nuclear material are missing. They say no material is missing from the reactor but they are not commenting on missing irradiated medical waste. See link below:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35339
54 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:34 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Toespi
I ttoally believe that. Our border is a joke.
55 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:36 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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To: John H K
I confident that the US will give prompt and proper response to any attack.
56 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:47 PM PST by TBall
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To: jimbo123
Thanks for the links.
I knew there was a reasonable explanation for this.

I'll sleep much better now.

57 posted on 11/07/2003 8:13:20 PM PST by Jorge
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To: sully777
You may or may not know the answer to my question: what are those smoke lines at the left of the picture? I always wondered what they were since I first saw those blasts as a kid.

They're intended to form a grid so that the size of the blast can be estimated.

58 posted on 11/07/2003 8:13:29 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Beck_isright
LOL!!
59 posted on 11/07/2003 8:13:29 PM PST by Brian S
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To: No Blue States
We were just discussing the cargo plane threat breaking news tonight on MSNBC on this thread.........(did not mention the nuclear material story). The plot thickens if true.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1017191/posts?page=51

60 posted on 11/07/2003 8:14:23 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: InterceptPoint



Never trust Canada or France. They owe it all to us, but rarely ever repay the gratitude.
61 posted on 11/07/2003 8:14:33 PM PST by rs79bm (Insert Democratic principles and ideals here: .............this space intentionally left blank.....)
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To: rs79bm
How exactly does one go about stealing 180 pounds of spent nuclear material.

Two words: lead jockstrap.

62 posted on 11/07/2003 8:14:36 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Allan
Are there any science-type FReepers out there who know what 180 lbs of nuke material can do?
63 posted on 11/07/2003 8:15:03 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Take the gun. Leave the cannoli.)
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To: John H K
Just for you whiney boy:


One for Meccah...

One for Medina....

And one for Ottawa. A small one because it won't take much.
64 posted on 11/07/2003 8:15:15 PM PST by Beck_isright (Socialists are like cockroaches. No matter how many die, 300 more are born under every cowpile.)
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To: John H K
Waste cannot cause a fissionable explosion. But if it is wrapped around a stick of TNT it can make life interesting for anyone who wanders into the blast radius AFTER detonation. A portion of the nuke material is vaporized and in this form can be inhaled.

THAT is part of the problem with a "dirty" nuke.

I am skeptical of the story, but, it IS credible on its face. Too bad you're not.

Semper Fi

65 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:05 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Colt 1911 .45ACP .... The "original" point and click device.....)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Are there any science-type FReepers out there who know what 180 lbs of nuke material can do?

Kill the schmuck carrying it in his trunk.

66 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:38 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Allan
PC liberalism could get us all killed.

Canada appears to have no security to speak of.
67 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:47 PM PST by Bullish
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To: John H K
Waste cannot cause a fissionable explosion. But if it is wrapped around a stick of TNT it can make life interesting for anyone who wanders into the blast radius AFTER detonation. A portion of the nuke material is vaporized and in this form can be inhaled.

THAT is part of the problem with a "dirty" nuke.

I am skeptical of the story, but, it IS credible on its face. Too bad you're not.

Semper Fi

68 posted on 11/07/2003 8:17:11 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Colt 1911 .45ACP .... The "original" point and click device.....)
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To: rs79bm
What about Shania Twain and Pamela Anderson?
69 posted on 11/07/2003 8:18:10 PM PST by xp38
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To: WestCoastGal
Is this guy the 20th hijacker??

http://www.intellnet.org/news/2003/03/27/18701-1.html

The official also says there is specific information linking El Shukrijumah to captured al-Qaeda operative Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, a key source of financing in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Investigators believe El Shukrijumah was in the United States in the weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks. But there is no evidence linking him to the assaults on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (news - web sites), officials say.

70 posted on 11/07/2003 8:18:42 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: xp38
Or Jillian Barberri? lol
71 posted on 11/07/2003 8:19:29 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: John H K
It's funny, I had an op-ed on this in the Washington Times a while ago:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=WT&p_theme=wt&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_text_search-0="Adam%20AND%20Yoshida"&s_dispstring="Adam%20Yoshida"%20AND%20date(03/14/2002%20to%2003/19/2002)&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date:B,E&p_text_date-0=03/14/2002%20to%2003/19/2002&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no
72 posted on 11/07/2003 8:19:39 PM PST by ayoshida
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To: jimbo123
FBI Releases New Pictures Of Al-Qaida Suspect
Agents Also Look For Female Companion

http://www.intellnet.org/news/2003/03/27/18700-1.html

73 posted on 11/07/2003 8:19:59 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: hispanarepublicana
I'm not the brightest bulb in the fixture, but at the very LEAST it would make folks very ill, and cause long term health effects, not unlike a small Chernoble(sp?)
74 posted on 11/07/2003 8:20:58 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (I would have gone to work today, but the voices told me to stay home and FREEP!!)
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To: Beck_isright
I've long thought it would be better to irradiate Mecca rather and physically destroying it. A cobalt-jacketed bomb exploded in the right way would do.

Then fanatical Moslems would reduce their own numbers by making stupid attempts to visit the dead zone.
75 posted on 11/07/2003 8:21:25 PM PST by ayoshida
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To: jimbo123
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WarOnTerrorism/2003/03/20/47313-ap.html

A senior law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the FBI believes the 27-year-old Saudi received flight training, possibly in Florida. A second senior source said El Shukrijumah possessed a Florida driver's licence. Officials said El Shukrijumah's organizing capabilities are comparable to those of Mohammed Atta, the suspected organizer of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and some, including Atta, received flight training in Florida.

76 posted on 11/07/2003 8:22:14 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: ayoshida
Just because a Canadian University denies something is no reason to disbelieve the story.
If this were true, they'd want to keep it from the public.

As a Canadian academic, I am shocked, shocked by the suggestion
that a Canadian university would organize a coverup.

77 posted on 11/07/2003 8:22:56 PM PST by Allan
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To: cavtrooper21
Dirty Bomb Reading:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/dirty-bombs.html

http://www.terrorismanswers.com/weapons/dirtybomb.html

180 lbs would do a lot of damage.
78 posted on 11/07/2003 8:23:11 PM PST by ayoshida
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To: cavtrooper21
I used to date a nuclear engineering student. You'd be amazed what these students have access to.
79 posted on 11/07/2003 8:23:20 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Mr. Fox, give us our water!!!)
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To: Allan
No he will not hijack a plane. Look for this nuclear waste to show up in a dirty bomb in Los Angeles, New York and Washington D.C. There was a Nuclear Fatwa issued against the U.S. back in September, 2003.

Nuclear Jihad

80 posted on 11/07/2003 8:23:24 PM PST by ex-Texan (CBS [SeeBS] Deserves a Long Double Flush . . . Pull the Chain!)
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To: Allan
As a fellow Canadian with time about a few schools, I am equally shocked that a Canadian University would give a dubious individual free access to the materials with which to make Weapons of Mass Destruction.
81 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:16 PM PST by ayoshida
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To: hispanarepublicana
Are there any science-type FReepers out there who know what 180 lbs of nuke material can do?

Here's my reply to your post:, from afore mentioned article in WND:

The CFR report states that such radioactive substances are not always well-guarded. The report says, "The [International Atomic Energy Agency] notes that virtually every country has radioactive substances that could be used to make dirty bombs." It cites a U.N. report stating "Iraq tested a one-ton radiological bomb in 1987 but gave up on the idea because the radiation levels it generated were not deadly enough."
82 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:24 PM PST by rs79bm (Insert Democratic principles and ideals here: .............this space intentionally left blank.....)
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To: sully777
Those are rockets trailing smoke. Deformation of the vertical smoke trails allows one to measure the blast strength.
83 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:59 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: rs79bm
That depends upon how many people you want to kill and how much damage you wish to cause.

I suspect that a hundred pounds of the material, properly dispersed, would do a lot of damage in, say, a football stadium.

Especially if combined with other means of attack.
84 posted on 11/07/2003 8:25:56 PM PST by ayoshida
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To: meanie monster
The only reason to watch Fox NFL imho. I didn't even know she was from here. The fount of knowledge on FR is endless.
85 posted on 11/07/2003 8:26:16 PM PST by xp38
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To: sully777
You gotta remember, these things were designed to take out enemy missile silos that were hardened. They needed to know how much overpressure shockwave was generated at what distance and at what time from the blast.

That way, they could measure what yield and accuracy they needed.
86 posted on 11/07/2003 8:26:59 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Oh I agree, They know down deep that we (and the Israelis) have the weapons to leave the Ka'aba a cloud of glowing dust.
It's only a matter of time until one the Islamic states gets a nuke...
Then the "fun" begins.
87 posted on 11/07/2003 8:27:19 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (I would have gone to work today, but the voices told me to stay home and FREEP!!)
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To: ex-Texan
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-06-15-florida-usat_x.htm

Investigators now say that intelligence gathered this year has led them to believe that El Shukrijumah traveled overseas within the past seven years for pilot training under al-Qaeda's guidance. He is known in the terrorism network as "Jaffar the Pilot," al-Qaeda prisoners have told U.S. authorities.

Investigators believe that while he was overseas, El Shukrijumah met Padilla, a Muslim convert and al-Qaeda follower who had lived in South Florida in the mid-1990s.

El Shukrijumah returned to South Florida by 2000. Padilla tried to re-enter the USA in June 2002 and was arrested at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport.

For investigators seeking to understand more about al-Qaeda, El Shukrijumah's movements are a puzzle.

Did he have a terrorist assignment from al-Qaeda leaders, and did it involve Padilla? Did he plan to join or encourage Mandhai's bomb plot, before being scared off? Or did he agree to hear Mandhai's pitch because he hoped to recruit him and other local
88 posted on 11/07/2003 8:27:19 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: John H K
If he had stole 80kg from Canada, that would be more believable. Terrorism works best on the gullible who will panic at any hoax. (Send me $100 and I will bring back the Moon.)
89 posted on 11/07/2003 8:28:19 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: xp38
I think she is from British Columbia, not sure. She is a BIG animal rights freak.
90 posted on 11/07/2003 8:30:04 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: JustPiper; freeperfromnj; flutters; Dog; Sabertooth; Cindy; yonif; genefromjersey
Ping
91 posted on 11/07/2003 8:31:09 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: John H K
The point is there's no actual material missing.

Batchelor & Alexander get used again -- like bathhouse attendants.

92 posted on 11/07/2003 8:32:59 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: GeronL
"I think we should close both the northern and southern borders "

Amen to that.


93 posted on 11/07/2003 8:33:06 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (He is no fool who would give what he cannot keep to gain what he can never lose. - Jim Elliot)
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To: ex-Texan
Look for this nuclear waste to show up in a dirty bomb in Los Angeles, New York and Washington D.C.

Geez....what is the fascination with these urban centers? Don't they know that the broken-glass American faction that would burn our own houses and crops before letting them have access are in fly-over country? My own husband is the descendant of a swamp-fox type Field Colonel from the revolutionary war. Besides..........I'm not so sure that this isn't the Dean/Kerry crowd using our own communications infrastructure (FR), trying to keep us selling and keep this market from getting to 10,000 or whatever (I'm an old fashioned gal and frankly leave all that mumbo jumbo up to Mr. Hispanarepublicana, so I'm probably talking out of my a55 on the 10,000 bit). Trust me; when we reach 10,000 or some other magic level, in addition to the other positive economic indicators, it will be a HUGE BOOST to Bush's economy ratings.

94 posted on 11/07/2003 8:34:38 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Mr. Fox, give us our water!!!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It seems like a dirty bomb is too complicated (and heavy)compared to anthrax and other chemical and biological weapons that are easier to secure, transport, and disperse.
That speculation on my part, or wishful thinking.


95 posted on 11/07/2003 8:35:24 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Beck_isright
I hope somebody can explain what that "waste material" can or cannot do. I don't believe it can cause any explosions, but I'm wondering if it can cause radiation sickness or other icky stuff ..?? Anybody know ..??
96 posted on 11/07/2003 8:36:08 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: FreeReign
Wrong. Materials are missing. Canada is parsing their denials. See link below:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35339
97 posted on 11/07/2003 8:37:02 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: CyberAnt
I hope somebody can explain what that "waste material" can or cannot do. I don't believe it can cause any explosions, but I'm wondering if it can cause radiation sickness or other icky stuff ..?? Anybody know ..??

High-level waste (i.e., stuff that emits heavily) can cause radiation sickness.

Low-level waste is likely to give you cancer in 20 years or cause you to have FLKs.

FLKs = Funny-Looking Kids. Also known as NFN (Normal For NorfolkP).

98 posted on 11/07/2003 8:37:46 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Allan
This happened several months ago but an alert has been ordered tonight in the USA and Canada. His name is ? Adnan al-ShoukriJumai, 27 years old, a Saudi national.

Several Months Ago???

Gee .. Thanks for letting us know Canada Government

99 posted on 11/07/2003 8:38:23 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: No Blue States
It's pretty hard to carry 180lbs of stuff in a briefcase. Not to mention setting off every radiation detector around.

A hoax seems more likely.
100 posted on 11/07/2003 8:39:27 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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