Skip to comments.Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty
Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.
There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.
This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.
If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.
There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!
Pro-Life Group Questions 'Quality of Life' Premise in Schiavo Case
Judge Lets Parents Challenge Custody of Terri Schiavo
Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case
Husband Must Defend His Guardianship of Terri Schiavo
Judge Bans Terri Schiavo's Parents From Legal Battle
Dean 'Appalled' That Florida Lawmakers Saved Schiavo
A Woman's Life Versus an Inept Press (Nat Hentoff on Terri Schiavo
Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian
Terri Schiavo Case: Creditable Witnesses & the 1st Guardian
Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case
The frenzy of Michael S. to go to any length and to keep fighting to get Terri killed indicates that at best that he is not normal -- more likely he wants to make sure his attempt to murder her will never come to light.
It seems to me he believes he is withnin his rights to kill someone who is in his way. There is no remorse. Frenzy is right, he is out of control. The longer he is in the spotlight the more he will show his true colors.
Most definitely! I didn't realize she ran her own insurance business out of her house.
FL_engineer: Oh, yea! And EVERY time MS or FELOS 'says' there is NO INSURANCE POLICY on Terri, remember they are not under oath when they say so. I don't believe it for one second!
Good point. Something Gov. Bush can ask on cross-examination; this might be an allowed question to ask because it would go toward motivation [to kill Terri]--a relevant question.
Why... even TERRI was employed at an INSURANCE company! [So she probably got a VERY GOOD deal on a whole life policy!]
And even if she did NOT, I wouldn't put it past MS & Jodi to back-date a policy in Terri's name somehow with this company! As DIRECTOR of this agency, MS would certainly know HOW to do this!
Yes; I think it's a simple matter of "back-dating" a policy.....if you've got the secret codes or whatever necessary....and since its her own agency, she probably has the means, method, AND motivation to do so.
I'm guessing: this is because her father was in a similar situation, as far as being helplessly ill. When asked her position on living wills, she said it's very important that people follow an individual's request about artificially keeping someone alive against the living will. When asked about would she/did she remove her father's feed tubes, she said NO, she wouldn't remove feeding tubes from her father. (I couldn't figure out if he was actually hooked up to them or not).
By WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE, Times Staff Writer
In court, family members on both sides recounted what Terri said she wanted.
It was a somber family gathering in the days after Michael Schiavo's grandmother died in 1988. Doctors had tried to revive the woman despite her written directive that she not be resuscitated.
As family talked at a luncheon after her death, someone recalled Terri Schiavo speaking her mind.
"Terri made mention at that conversation that, "If I ever go like that, just let me go. Don't leave me there. I don't want to be kept alive on a machine,"' Scott Schiavo, Michael Schiavo's brother, told lawyers years afterward.
As lawyers and the public debate Mrs. Schiavo's life, a look back at hundreds of pages of court transcripts reveals testimony largely forgotten in the national debate about her right to die.
That testimony helped a judge decide in 2000 that Mrs. Schiavo, left severely brain damaged after collapsing in 1990, would not want to be kept alive by artificial means.
Like almost everything in the case, recollections about Mrs. Schiavo's words are disputed. Some remembrances are called outright inventions.
For a woman who left no living will, all that is left are memories, many of which were not revealed until a decade after her collapse.
Two years after Mrs. Schiavo's heart stopped - due to a suspected potassium imbalance - causing the brain damage, her husband fought a medical malpractice battle in Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court.
At the trial, nobody discussed Mrs. Schiavo's wish to die.
Michael Schiavo, fighting tears, told jurors that he wanted to care for his wife as long as he could.
"I believe in the vows that I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poorer," Schiavo told jurors. "I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that."
In the end, Schiavo and his wife received a total of about $1-million in a verdict against one doctor who treated Mrs. Schiavo and from a settlement with another doctor.
"Michael didn't say to the jury, "Oh, by the way, I intend to kill my wife next year,"' said Pat Anderson, an attorney representing Mrs. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.
George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said, "It's true Michael never affirmatively said Terri would never want to be kept alive if there was no hope. Then again, he didn't lie. Nobody ever asked him the question."
In 1993, the year after the verdict, Michael Schiavo's wishes for his wife took a turn.
Schiavo said he had a conversation with a physician about continued infections his wife battled. Schiavo said a doctor, convinced Mrs. Schiavo couldn't regain consciousness, told him to leave a urinary tract infection untreated, allowing her to die.
Schiavo ordered the nursing home where his wife lived to stop treating her, but the nursing home refused and Michael Schiavo backed down.
Schiavo was later asked by lawyers representing his wife's parents, then seeking to remove him as his wife's guardian, why he tried to stop treatment.
"I was trying to make decisions on what Terri would want," Schiavo said in late 1993, adding, "She was my wife. I lived with her. We shared things. We shared a bed. We shared our thoughts. And one incident in particular ..."
He then recounted his memory of a train trip.
The couple traveled to Florida from Pennsylvania for vacation in the mid 1980s. But Mrs. Schiavo was reluctant to go because her grandmother was near death.
The grandmother helped care for Mrs. Schiavo's disabled uncle, a man who suffered severe brain damage in an accident.
On the trip, Michael Schiavo said his wife told him that she didn't want to live like the uncle, dependant on others.
"I would never want to live like that. I would want to just die," Schiavo recalled his wife saying.
Within days of that testimony, a doctor first presented him the idea of pulling his wife's feeding tube.
"This woman died four years ago," Schiavo said a doctor who examined his wife told him.
Schiavo recoiled at pulling the tube. "I couldn't do that to Terri," he said.
Felos said Schiavo still struggled with the idea.
By 1995, Schiavo began setting in motion a plan to have his wife's feeding tube removed, according to his testimony.
But the real catalyst, Schiavo said, was his mother's death in July 1997. His mother wanted no medication or food near the end of her life.
"She gave me that gift that it was okay to die," Schiavo later testified.
The next year, Schiavo filed the petition to remove his wife's feeding tube, leading to an inevitable courtroom showdown with Mrs. Schiavo's parents. A trial came in January 2000.
Schiavo opened the trial by recounting the train trip. Two or three other times in their marriage, Schiavo said, she made her opinions known to him.
"We would be watching TV ... a documentary would come on," he testified. "It would depict, you know, adults, children that are being sustained and kept alive by parents at home. People that had to be on ventilators. People getting tube feedings. Medications throughout. IVs.
"She made the comment to me that she would never want to be like that. Don't ever keep her alive on anything artificial," he said.
Then came Scott Schiavo, his brother, who recounted Mrs. Schiavo's words at the luncheon in Pennsylvania after her husband's grandmother died.
Joan Schiavo, the wife of Michael Schiavo's oldest brother, William Schiavo, was next to take the stand.
Joan and Terri Schiavo had become close friends in the mid 1980s. Joan Schiavo said she told her sister-in-law about a friend who was forced to end life support to an infant after health problems.
Terri Schiavo told her that she would have done the same thing for the baby if its life could not otherwise be saved, Joan Schiavo testified.
Joan Schiavo also heard other comments after she and Mrs. Schiavo saw a movie about someone who had an accident and was in a coma.
"We had stated that if that ever happened to one of us, in our lifetime, we would not want to go through that. That we would want it stated in our will we would want the tubes and everything taken out.
"She did not like the movie. Just the whole aspect of family and friends having to come and see their son or friend like that, she thought it was horrible."
Mrs. Schiavo's parents fought back. Her mother, Mary Schindler, said she discussed with her daughter the famous right-to-die case of Karen Ann Quinlan, back when the legal fight to take Quinlan off a ventilator was front-page news.
"If they take her off, she might die. Just leave her alone and she will die whenever," she said her daughter told her.
Felos introduced newspaper stories showing that the Quinlan case was front-page news when Terri Schiavo was 11 or 12 years old.
Mrs. Schiavo's former friend, Diane Meyer, recalled watching a movie about Quinlan in the summer of 1982 after they graduated high school.
"I remember one of the things she said is, "How did they know she would want this? How did they know she wouldn't want to go on?"' Meyer testified.
Circuit Judge George Greer later ruled that Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube could be removed.
The judge said he was persuaded by testimony by Michael Schiavo. He said that testimony, combined with statements of other family members, was "clear and convincing evidence."
He discounted things Mrs. Schiavo might have said as a child about Quinlan.
In the eyes of the law, Mrs. Schiavo has already instructed family about her wish to die.
"I don't know if that is Terri's intent," Mary Schindler told Greer. "I would like my daughter to live until it's - she dies when God is ready for her."
This reminds me of little children...very impulsive, but something that must be taught to be placed under self-control. Unfortunately, the hippie/feel good movement/psychobabble that ruled in the 70's, 80's, and 90's threw common sense out the window and we see, IMO, more and more young people/adults without this self-control.
And that personal belief would be what? The right to life as so clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence? My thoughts on that.
Once a man and a woman get married, in the words of the church, the IRS and all civil institutions, a family is formed, for this man this woman will abandon her parents. Dr. Gema G Hernandez
Is that codified in civil law, Gema, or are you quoting the Bible? I thought you were against imposing personal beliefs on 'all the citizens of the state'?
What a crackpot!
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