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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty (1 Corin. 1:27)
1 posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:48 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Hey y'all....over here.
2 posted on 11/07/2003 8:02:12 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
gotcha
3 posted on 11/07/2003 8:09:46 PM PST by tutstar
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To: sweetliberty
Great job, once again, sweetliberty!!!
4 posted on 11/07/2003 8:10:18 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
I posted the below earlier today and I am very disappointed that no one called me back! I left 2 voice mail messages and so far did not receive a reply.

Can others call the phone numbers and ask the same questions? Perhaps if others call, more than just me, they will decide that they should answer the questions.

If you get an answer could you kindly post the information on this message board? Thanx.



Regarding the parents petition to remove Michael as Terri's legal guardian, this was Heard Wed Nov 5, 2003.

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA

PROBATE DIVISION

File No. 90-2908GD-003

I called the court and left messages asking when this will be back in court and also how do I a get a copy of the transcripts from the Wednesday Nov 5th hearing?

Here is the Number for the Clerk of Courts - 727-464-3341
Here is the Number for Judge Greer - 727-464-3933

I had to leave messages on voice mail. When they get back to me I will post that information here.

If you would like to write to Judge Greer his e-mail address is ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us
5 posted on 11/07/2003 8:21:12 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
It may be that the court does not work on Friday afternoon, or they may have been too swamped to return your call. Of course, they may be avoiding you. You don't think they would do that though, do you?
6 posted on 11/07/2003 8:27:48 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Keep trying, Lone Voice.....I'm wondering if people in Florida, near that Courthouse, might be able to go in person and request the information.....
7 posted on 11/07/2003 8:28:40 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
What questions are you asking them?
8 posted on 11/07/2003 8:31:24 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
What questions are you asking them?
9 posted on 11/07/2003 8:31:39 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: nicmarlo
Hey that is a great idea.. why don't you go nicmarlo
10 posted on 11/07/2003 8:33:08 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: sweetliberty
Posted by No More Gore Anymore to FL_engineer
On News/Activism 11/07/2003 1:15 PM PST #984 of 1,130

Hi could you ping this for me.
Operation Birthday Greeting: clelebrating the life of Terri Schindler.

DO you want to help? This is what I need you guys to do. If anyone knows business owners in the Clearwater, West Palm Beach florida area please contact me. Also I want to know if we could get a wheelchair delievered for a birthday gift from her supporters. I wasn't sure if anyone was working on this already.

Cindydawg has an idea of Birthday billboard, I am working on that still, I may have a lead, at least someone who is trying to ehlp me with a BIG billboard. Anyone else who has leads, please contact me.

Anyone who has contact with the vigil, please freepamil me. I have some ideas I have gathered from other freepers to have gifts delieverd to the hospice. How about a case of spoons, a wheechair ,a free trip somewhere for leaving the hospice.

Any ideas people have will be welcomed. Let's organize an event that the media will want to cover ,and put it out there. We are celebrationg the LIFE of Terri Schindler. Any one who has photos of a young Terri , plese contact me.. perhaps we could put a presentation together and apeal to Hannity to help us get this all on his program.

Please let me know.



11 posted on 11/07/2003 8:38:44 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Search Statewide Official Records

The following Official Records have been found to match your search criteria. To order a specific Record, click the "Order" box to the left of the Record and then click the "Order Record(s)" button at the bottom of the page.

Your search returned 16 documents and 16 parties.
The number of Pages are estimated for documents where the Pages value is marked with *.

Order From To Date Document Type County Instrument Number Book/Page Pages
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 07/03/1990 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000073200739 7320/739 10
    Description: 90-2908G PR
SCHIAVO THRESA MARIE 04/07/1993 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000082311963 8231/1963 3
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 04/07/1993 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000082311961 8231/1961 2
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 09/30/2003 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000003418822 13109/1890 14
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 10/19/1992 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000080640712 8064/712 1
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO WILLIAM F 05/14/2003 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000003196306 12747/943 5
    Description: 0203378ES
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 07/29/2002 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000002280851 12131/1783 4
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 10/19/1992 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000080640706 8064/706 3
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 01/27/1993 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000081610618 8161/618 16
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 10/19/1992 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000080640704 8064/704 2
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 02/16/1993 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000081791518 8179/1518 1
    Description: 9002908GD AMD
SCHIAVO THERESA M 07/03/1990 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000073200751 7320/751 2
    Description: 90-2908G PR
SCHIAVO THRESA MARIE 04/07/1993 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS BP00000082311969 8231/1969 1
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 08/16/2001 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000001288103 11532/1690 20
    Description: 9002908GD
SCHIAVO THERESA MARIE 10/01/2003 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000003421316 13114/207 2
    Description: 9002908GD AMENDED
SCHIAVO WILLIAM F 06/03/2003 PROBATE DOCUMENT PINELLAS 0000000003226269 12793/1515 1
    Description: 0203378ES
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12 posted on 11/07/2003 8:42:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: No More Gore Anymore
If I lived near that Courthouse, I would, Gore. duh.
13 posted on 11/07/2003 8:43:17 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nic. By the way, have I mentioned how nice it is to have you back?
14 posted on 11/07/2003 8:44:04 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
Was there some need to be so sassy nicmarlo?
15 posted on 11/07/2003 8:44:58 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Don't know, was there, Gore?
16 posted on 11/07/2003 8:45:34 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks, sweetliberty....good to be back! : )
17 posted on 11/07/2003 8:46:00 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Don't know you are the one who responded to me,I can't claim to know what motivates you.. anyway...was there? :}
18 posted on 11/07/2003 8:48:56 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Perhaps it was YOUR stupid remark. duh.
19 posted on 11/07/2003 8:50:23 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you so much fellow Freepers for keeping us posted on Terri's fight. I have and will continue to pray for Terri and her family. This ordeal has been a gut-wrencher for me. I've been telling my husband that I have to check on "my girl". God Bless you Freepers for all you do.
20 posted on 11/07/2003 8:52:31 PM PST by arepublicifyoucankeepit
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To: nicmarlo
What was so stupid about my reamark? Pretty testy aren't you?
21 posted on 11/07/2003 8:52:43 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
No, but your comment was an unnecessary cheap shot, obviously not said in fun, and unprovoked.
22 posted on 11/07/2003 8:54:23 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty; Republic; TigersEye; cyn
Could you help me with this (see post #11). I don't have a ping list. Thanks
23 posted on 11/07/2003 8:55:49 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: nicmarlo
No, it was a simple question.
24 posted on 11/07/2003 8:57:25 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Whatever you say.
25 posted on 11/07/2003 8:57:47 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
Sign this petition for Terri!

http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/index.php?id=petition&petition=
26 posted on 11/07/2003 8:58:09 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nicmarlo
okay ,then I guess we have that straighten out.
27 posted on 11/07/2003 8:59:09 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: nicmarlo; No More Gore Anymore
Hey you two guys Peace...Love... and all that.

Back on topic.
I left voice mails at both Pinellas County Court Phone numbers shown above with the following 2 questions.
#1-When will this case be back in court again
#2-How can I get a copy of the transcripts of what was said on Wednesday nov 5th?

So of anybody else could call beside just me that is the two questions I am interested in.

28 posted on 11/07/2003 9:04:30 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
So what question are you asking them. I guess I should ahve asked you in response to the freepmail you just sent me.... I am not clear on what your want us to do here. COuld you elaborate a bit?
29 posted on 11/07/2003 9:04:35 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Hey likeI said we have it straighten out. Okay so no wI see your questions..were you able to get that info from nic's last post to you? Or do we still need to call?
30 posted on 11/07/2003 9:06:35 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Salvation
Did you see the nice article and picture of Terri on the front page of
The Catholic Standard & Times?
Her graduation picture from Archbishop Woods in Penna.
31 posted on 11/07/2003 9:06:57 PM PST by mickie
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To: mickie
Do you ahve a link to that. I may be able to use that for my project.. see post #11 here.
32 posted on 11/07/2003 9:08:59 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; sweetliberty
Does anyone know the name of MS's girlfriend?
33 posted on 11/07/2003 9:10:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: No More Gore Anymore; All
Post 5 and Post 28 Both are concerning finding out the next cort date on the parents request to have Michael relieved as guaridan. Ni thanks for the post you provided however looking at it I do nto see that it answers the questions.

So if others will also call the phone numbers in post #5 and adk for the next court date and how to get transcrips I would appreciate it.
34 posted on 11/07/2003 9:12:35 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: nicmarlo
Jodi Centzone or something like that....I'll have to look up the spelling on the last name.
35 posted on 11/07/2003 9:17:01 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: No More Gore Anymore
No More Gore Any More-
GREAT on taking the initiative on the Birthday Celebration for Terri (see Post #11) I will do whatever I can from afar.

Others why not give a reply back to NMGA (had to abbreviate No more Gore Anymore it was getting long to type)and let him know of your support.

36 posted on 11/07/2003 9:18:50 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: sweetliberty
have you seen this before? Judge orders woman's feedings to resume Apr 27, 2001
37 posted on 11/07/2003 9:20:09 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Great where are you , because I have some contacts all over the place I could use help with.
38 posted on 11/07/2003 9:20:23 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: nicmarlo
Jodi Ann Centonze, also Jodi Ann Blough at some other point in time.
39 posted on 11/07/2003 9:20:47 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: sweetliberty
I want to see if I can find anything on her. Thanks.
40 posted on 11/07/2003 9:20:48 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Thanks much.
41 posted on 11/07/2003 9:21:12 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Why NMGA cna't you read??? I'm in the Hinterlands.....
Kidding NMGA, Kidding.....

I'll freep mail you
42 posted on 11/07/2003 9:22:26 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: nicmarlo
Break a leg! You'll find stuff.
43 posted on 11/07/2003 9:22:32 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
WEll thatt would be a long drive, no?
44 posted on 11/07/2003 9:23:37 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: nicmarlo
See above post. Also, yes, I had heard some of Ms. Shook's testimony, but I am going to post this here for any who haven't. Thanks for all your research.

Apr 27, 2001

Judge orders woman's feedings to resume

By DAVID SOMMER of The Tampa Tribune

A judge ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding to resume Thursday night after her husband's former girlfriend came forward to say he misled another judge to get the feeding stopped. ``I'm elated. Everyone is jumping up and down and making so much noise,'' Bob Schindler said when told that his daughter would not be denied food for a fourth day.

Fighting back tears, Schindler immediately wanted to know how long a reprieve Terri Schiavo had received. His daughter has been in a comalike, persistent vegetative state since 1990.

That will hinge on what an ex-girlfriend of her husband, Michael Schiavo, has to say when lawyers on both sides take the ex-girlfriend's sworn deposition, said Circuit Judge Frank Quesada.

If Cindy Shook Brashers says what Schindler and a private detective have already sworn she will say, then there is a good chance Schindler and his wife, Mary, can prove that Michael Schiavo committed perjury, Quesada ruled after an emergency twilight hearing.

In separate conversations Wednesday, Brashers told Schindler and a private detective that, while she and Schiavo were dating in 1992, he twice told her that Terri Schiavo and he never talked about what should be done if she ever ended up on life support with no hope of recovery, court records state.

That directly contradicts what Michael Schiavo testified to at a January 2000 trial that resulted in him getting permission to stop feeding his wife .

After ordering the feeding to resume late Thursday, Quesada said he is mindful of Schiavo's concern that disconnecting his wife's feeding tube Tuesday and then reconnecting it Thursday night is ``put ting everyone on an emotional roller coaster.''

Brashers' deposition needs to be taken swiftly, and any appeal of his order resuming feeding needs to be done ``first thing tomorrow morning,'' the judge said.

The ruling capped an unusual day in which the Schindlers tried to get two local judges to order the feeding resumed.

Shortly before noon, the Schindlers filed a petition asking Circuit Judge George Greer to reverse his verdict in the January 2000 nonjury trial. Greer is the judge who originally ruled that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube should be disconnected and she should be allowed to die.

That verdict, which was appealed all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, came after Michael Schiavo and two relatives testified that his wife, prior to a 1990 heart attack, had spoken of not wanting to be kept alive artificially should she ever be incapacitated with no hope of recovery.

The 37-year-old woman sleeps and wakes but cannot speak and is fed liquid nutrients through a tube into her stomach.

A doctor hired by Michael Schiavo said Terri Schiavo's brain is destroyed and she hears, feels and sees nothing. He was the only doctor to testify at the 2000 trial.

The Schindlers say their daughter reacts to them with laughter, smiles and moans during visits. They contend Michael Schiavo stands to inherit about $700,000 remaining in a trust fund set up after the Schiavos won a 1992 malpractice award against doctors who treated Terri Schiavo prior to the heart attack.

Michael Schiavo could not be reached for comment.

His attorney, George Felos, characterized Brashers as a ``disgruntled ex-girlfriend'' and said he wanted to hear what she had to say under oath.

`I don't think there are any words to can express the outrage that he feels and the pain in the heart that he feels'' because his wife will now continue to suffer, Felos said.

Greer, who was asked to overturn his verdict Thursday, did not comment on what he was told Brashers had to say.

Instead, the judge denied the request because state law sets a one-year limit on challenging verdicts with new evidence.

After Greer's ruling, the Schindlers' volunteer defense team quickly filed a lawsuit against Michael Schiavo, accusing him of deliberately causing the couple emotional pain and suffering by lying about Terri Schiavo in court.

That new case was randomly assigned to Quesada, who called an emergency hearing.

In 1992, Michael Schiavo told jurors in the malpractice case that he intended to learn nursing so he could care for his wife for their rest of their lives together, Schindler attorney James Eckert told Quesada.

`I wouldn't trade her for my life. I believe in my wedding vows,' Eckert quoted Michael Schiavo as saying in 1992.

Quesada said he ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding to resume to protect the Schindlers from additional harm should their claim against Schiavo turn out to have merit.

45 posted on 11/07/2003 9:27:10 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
I do have some local contacts for that state. I will freepmail you tommorow when I get a chance to compile info. Mostly media you could call.
46 posted on 11/07/2003 9:31:54 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Ohioan from Florida
If you go to this site, and type in her name (Jodi Centonze), and then scroll to the bottom and hit "begin search," it appears that there are numerous transactions going on, many in 1999 (2003 - 6 years = 1997 when she began seeing MS), in what all seems to be in her name. Jodi Centonze

Interesting, at least. I read on a post that MS is allegedly funneling assets into her name. Of course, we don't know this to be true....

47 posted on 11/07/2003 9:32:18 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: No More Gore Anymore; nicmarlo
Maybe nic thought you had clicked the screen name and saw where he/she? lived and so that would have made it a silly question........I'm in FL but no where near Pinellas

it's late folks and you're on the same side...kiss and make up 8^)
48 posted on 11/07/2003 9:33:38 PM PST by tutstar
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To: No More Gore Anymore; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; ...
Ping to #11.
49 posted on 11/07/2003 9:34:15 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
You may also want to see if she has any connections to the town that Michael and Terri were from. I can't remember the name , it is a suburb of philly PA. Someone I know from an e-mail loop that I belonged to when I lived in PA mentioned they thought they knew this Jodi from when she was young. I think she is on classmates.com website , so it would be before her senior year high school.
50 posted on 11/07/2003 9:36:05 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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