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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: KosmicKitty
Twenty-five years ago my father fell off a ladder at work and broke his femur. He spent 6 weeks in the hospital in traction and numerous weeks after that in a full leg cast. The doctor at the time told us that the femur, the thigh bone, is the toughest bone in the human body and is the hardest one to break.

Makes you wonder what MS did to Terri to break hers.

Very interesting point, about the femur being the toughest bone in the body to break. It is also the longest and thickest bone. I think Dr. Baden was right on when he said Terri sustained injuries from foul play, consistent with TRAUMA or a CAR ACCIDENT, and not a potassium imbalance.

601 posted on 11/08/2003 11:01:00 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
"The judge must rule based on the law"

When did this start in Florida?

602 posted on 11/08/2003 11:02:02 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
I wonder if "Joelee" is a woman? There is a Joelee Caplan in Hillsborough County: License : MH6018 Profession : Licensed Mental Health Counselor Licensee Name : CAPLAN,JOELEE License Status : CLEAR Activity Status : INACTIVE Expiration Date : 03/31/2005 Original Issue Date : 03/10/2000 Military Status : N Has Discipline : N Address of Record : 9402 HUNTERS POND DRIVE TAMPA,FL 33647
603 posted on 11/08/2003 11:02:41 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty

Yeah, all those abnormalities on her bone scan, the stiff neck, oxygen deprivation, clutching her throat.....yeah, those were probably just from a potassium imbalance. Unfreakinbelievable, this guy.

She took a heck of a fall and beat herself up pretty good, didn't she? (MS BS alert)

It's sickening, that he got away with this...till now.

604 posted on 11/08/2003 11:05:18 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
Your post says the original issue date was in 2000. When was it that Michael had seen the counselor? Does anyone know?
605 posted on 11/08/2003 11:05:35 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: sweetliberty

"In a study published in the June 1991 Archives of Neurology, it was found that of 84 patients with a firm diagnosis of PVS, 58 percent recovered consciousness within three years."

Thank you for bringing that out. That time (three years) coincides with Michael's discontinuation of any effort at rehabilitation, does it not?

606 posted on 11/08/2003 11:09:51 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: sweetliberty
This husband love garbage reads worse now since we have the benefit of the Larry King fiasco.

You pretty much covered all the points, sweetliberty, but one of the first things I would do for Terri, once she has escaped the clutches of the Husband from Hell and the Attorney from Hell ~ I'd put a little kitten in her hands or under her chin ~

607 posted on 11/08/2003 11:09:51 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Sorry, badly formatted - see nicmarlo's research post here.
608 posted on 11/08/2003 11:12:05 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Pegita
but one of the first things I would do for Terri, once she has escaped the clutches of the Husband from Hell and the Attorney from Hell ~ I'd put a little kitten in her hands or under her chin ~

Pegita, I have been thinking the SAME THING....she has had a desire to be a vet. What she needs is to hold a kitty that purrs,or have a sweet puppy brought to her bedside. I have a beautiful collie that I would love to bring and come to Florida to " visit" Terri ......I pray that God will allow this to be so.

In Your Name, and For YOUR sake Dear Father, let it be so.

609 posted on 11/08/2003 11:16:12 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: sweetliberty
"Felos would not comment on Capone's statement that, since Terri Schiavo's illness, Michael Schiavo has fathered two children with another woman."
Dated May 10, 2001.....over a year before Jodi's first child was born."
- sweetliberty

RED ALERT!
I think this is the SMOKING GUN, folks.

610 posted on 11/08/2003 11:21:22 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Coral Snake
Be careful, you are on very thin ice.
611 posted on 11/08/2003 11:32:04 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: wisconsinconservative
Oh, please. Who wrote this crappy sap.
612 posted on 11/08/2003 11:32:05 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
LOL but seriously, Greer is being watched - and he must follow the law or he will be overruled on appeal. He can't make it up as he goes along...Connors is too smart to let him. In the past, he has made some questionable decisions and the Bush team may go so far as to allege he abused his discretion, such as picking and choosing what he allows in as evidence.

Most of the injustice in this case is a matter of Felos exploiting legal loopholes and Greer following the "letter of the law" and finding for Felos even when it defies common sense.

613 posted on 11/08/2003 11:32:07 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. It looks like Michael was seeing the psychiatrist (according to Mr. Schindler in that article) sometime before Valentine's Day, 1993. That's when the fight between MS and Mr. Schindler happened. Mr. Schindler said in that article that MS had started to attack Suzanne before his incident with MS, and that he (Bob) stopped Michael. Wonder what that was all about.

At any rate, it seems unlikely that the Caplan you or nicmarlo found would be the same one, since the issue date of the license doesn't seem right. Is it possible that the name was Kaplan vs. Caplan? I know that in other news accounts I have seen the old GAL as Richard Pierce, when in reality it was Richard Pearse. Sounds the same, spelled differently.
614 posted on 11/08/2003 11:35:20 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

He said family members were particularly upset that Michael Schiavo said that his fiancée, with whom he has a child and is expecting another, "has done more for Terri than her own
mother did."

I am so glad I didn't watch the show. What a piece of work, man. Unbelievable.
615 posted on 11/08/2003 11:36:09 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Good point on it possibly being spelled differently. Quite possibly the person who interviewed Mr. Schindler 'assumed' it was spelled with a 'C.'
616 posted on 11/08/2003 11:38:17 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Hey hinter, which county area are you from in 'ol NYS? I'm feeling homesick right now. ;-)
617 posted on 11/08/2003 11:39:52 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Probably the gravy train.
618 posted on 11/08/2003 11:41:05 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
Maybe, or just moved up when he/she got more credentials.
619 posted on 11/08/2003 11:42:57 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave; All
Hospice Woodside, where Terri Schiavo has stayed since 2000, has not received payment for her care "in a substantial amount of time," said John W. Campbell, an attorney for its parent company, Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.

Campbell said he did not know when the payments stopped or how much the outstanding bills were. Last week, Felos and Bushnell told reporters that Terri Schiavo receives Social Security benefits and Medicaid for some basic care costs. A fund for indigent patients run by the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast paid for up to $5,000 a month of hospice care, they said.

Hospice Woodside is receiving no Medicare or Medicaid money for Terri Schiavo, Campbell said.

"No one's tax dollars are paying for hospice care," he said. He said that Felos has told him that the estate owes numerous parties more than $100,000.

I think this is utterly ridiculous! Either they paid or they didn't pay. That should be pretty easy for someone in their accounting/bookkeeping dept to find. Oh, wait! Isn't this the hospice that has convicted felons (embezzlement) working for them? I bet they taught their new employer a trick or two. And then proceeded to rip them off. Maybe that's why it's never been paid.

620 posted on 11/08/2003 11:44:04 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: nickcarraway
Yeah, I think you're right. I am too assimilated to remember....(thank God!)
621 posted on 11/08/2003 11:45:03 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: pc93
Hi, pc! Hope you are doing well!
622 posted on 11/08/2003 11:46:34 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sfRummygirl
No kidding...talk about being deceitful! He forbade her family from visiting her. He even told them they would never see her again.

"“That’s when he went insane. He started screaming, ‘I’m her husband! I make all the decisions! You have nothing to say.’ There were some books in the room and he started throwing them against the wall. Then he charged after me, but my wife jumped in between us. He ran out of the room and said, ‘You’ll never see Terri again. I’ll never permit you to see her again. I’m calling my attorney.’ That’s the last time we really had any conversation with Michael."

linked here

623 posted on 11/08/2003 11:47:15 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Orlando
There ya go, Orlando. We should do an exorcism!
624 posted on 11/08/2003 11:48:14 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Saundra Duffy
My intense dislike for trolls comes from having run a large BBS. Weeding them out was a constant battle. They behave like people who know they hold untenable positions. They can't back up what they say, so they try to prevent all discussion. If they raise the aggravation level to where a thread gets pulled, they consider it a victory. Some believe the views they espouse. Others don't care - they just troll whenever they notice a subject becoming near and dear to a lot of people.

Two things identify them. First, they ignore all evidence and proof. Trolls ask you to back up something you said. When you do, they act like you haven't. They'll imply you aren't paying attention, then repeat their same old tirade. Second, they will never answer a simple, direct question about what they believe, no matter how many chances they're given.

On these threads, trolls who want Terri dead and "right to die" advocates are called Death Culture Trolls or Death Trolls. A guide to trolls in general is by sweetliberty, in the previous Terri thread at #60. The guide to types of Death Trolls is by Coral Snake, in the same thread at #765. (I still can't make a link that works.)

( /end massive dissertation)

625 posted on 11/08/2003 11:51:38 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: firerosemom
You have got to be kidding me.
You know, I saw the movie Chicago the other week.
I can imagine, this article, being played out to the scene about suckering the court and public.

Man, they really are trying hard, aren't they?
Suckers.
626 posted on 11/08/2003 11:54:22 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
He's another Scott Peterson...minus the fishing trip.

627 posted on 11/08/2003 11:56:52 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Ohioan from Florida


And, Hyden is convinced, Michael Schiavo thinks about Terri every day.

Yes, probably when he asked "Is the bitch dead yet". I'm sure he thinks about her then, too.
Oh, God, I am either going to barf, or put the hip boots on for the pile that these people are trying to throw at us.
628 posted on 11/08/2003 11:56:53 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Pegita
Hey, Pegita, good to have you around!
629 posted on 11/08/2003 11:59:06 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Orlando
""For WE wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against PRINCIIPALITIES, against POWERS, against the RULERS of the darkness of THIS WORLD, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS in HIGH PLACES.."

amen
We are in a heavy-duty war, here....front-line"

When I first learned about Terri back in early October, I thought right then that this was the center of a battle in a much larger spiritual war. Everything I've seen since then convinces me even more.

630 posted on 11/08/2003 11:59:19 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Ohioan from Florida
You know, it is amazing at how scared they are. They specifically mention the internet, too. Gee, I wonder which sites are bothering them?
(Hi, trolls!)
631 posted on 11/09/2003 12:02:16 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
The misidentification of someone as a troll happens when an uninformed person shows up with a writing style and MO that are similar to a known troll.
632 posted on 11/09/2003 12:05:42 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, loving someone means that you never have their teeth cleaned. Never giving them exams. Never taking them outside....well, after the money pours in, anyway.
AERDFFDDTFTFG!!!!! ARG! GRRR!
Oh, God, please...
633 posted on 11/09/2003 12:08:54 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sfRummygirl
Hi, sfRummygirl ~ seems we can't get off the night shift!
634 posted on 11/09/2003 12:09:02 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Mo1
http://www.buckscounty.org/departments/public_access/

Whoa, that's one tough site to navigate. I got into public access tonight---a previous attempt a few days ago found the program disabled. I had to use the adobe acrobat help to understand how to get info. Even then, if I didn't go back to the first page (with the link for domestic, criminal or whatever) entering the docket number didn't help. Had to play with it a lot. After a while I got the idea---that records in this program don't go back to the 1980's when Michael Schiavo lived there.
635 posted on 11/09/2003 12:09:16 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: sfRummygirl
They are scared, as well they should be! Do you think they have the fear of God in them yet?
636 posted on 11/09/2003 12:09:46 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Perhaps that is the fee (approved by Greer) for the prepaid cremation and burial expenses?

In other words, the note can't be paid out until she's dead.

This is the work of a monster...not a loving husband!
637 posted on 11/09/2003 12:11:31 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: sfRummygirl
AERDFFDDTFTFG!!!!!

Is this shorthand or were you just taking out your frustration and anger on the keyboard? I've seen lots of abbreviations, but you've got me on this one!

638 posted on 11/09/2003 12:13:22 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: msmagoo
From back in '94? Wow, if that's true, then he has been planning this for a while!
639 posted on 11/09/2003 12:14:30 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Pegita
Yes, you're right!
Hey can someone please explain to me why the admin just issues a warning to Coral Snake? Did he/she give some info that I missed?
640 posted on 11/09/2003 12:14:42 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Ha! yes, I should let you sit and ponder it......No, it's just keyboard hitting. I should pretend I invented something grand, though....
641 posted on 11/09/2003 12:16:01 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Funny you should say that. Because in the end, it's not even US per say that they should be afraid of. ;-)
642 posted on 11/09/2003 12:17:40 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nicmarlo
>>I tried that link, sweetliberty, but I can't figure out how it searches.....it's kind of weird.

See my post #635. Figured out how it searches, but the records don't go back to the 1980's.
643 posted on 11/09/2003 12:17:59 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: All
If there are two children before the two Jodi children, where would they be? Why does the Husband from Hell have a best bud in a Gainesville Realtor? One he met in Clearwater in 1991? Who is Russ Hyden? Think the Husband from Hell is a property owner elsewhere? Who are these other women in the husband love article? Anyone ...
644 posted on 11/09/2003 12:19:59 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: nicmarlo
"And I honestly do not think that anybody would ever say they'd rather starve to death than be kept alive by having food given to them (except for MS, Felos and other "right-to-deathers").

Right-do-deathers would never say they want to starve to death themselves. They'll quickly say it about everyone else, except maybe convicted murderers.

645 posted on 11/09/2003 12:21:02 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: msmagoo
I think you've got it with the cremation angle. It was daughter Suzanne who said that Greer had already approved immediate cremation, and that Husband from Hell was going to take Terri's ashes back to a place meaningful to the Schiavo family. So the cost would be cremation without internment ...
646 posted on 11/09/2003 12:26:07 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Wampus SC
Right-do-deathers would never say they want to starve to death themselves.

Yeah, kinda like all those in favor of abortion have already been born, isn't it!

647 posted on 11/09/2003 12:26:42 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: sweetliberty
You always come up with some of the funniest and most appropriate graphics!

"Hillary... must protect Hillary... must protect..."

648 posted on 11/09/2003 12:27:29 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: sfRummygirl
We could make something up that would be appropriate!
649 posted on 11/09/2003 12:27:52 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Pegita
I am almost afraid to ask - where is this 'place that is meaningful to the Schiavo family' - though I'm sure it will be off-limits to the Schindlers.

650 posted on 11/09/2003 12:29:52 AM PST by msmagoo
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