Storm swirls around drug sweep

Charleston Post & Courier ^ | 11/11/03 | STEVE REEVES AND ALLISON L. BRUCE

[Cap'n Crunch]

None of it has escaped me, having responded to riots at high schools myself. I know what kinds of zoos they are.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I don't know what information they had. I know I've been sent to the schools and I've been told that some kids have drugs and some have guns or knives.

If the schools want to bring cops into the school system, be prepared for what cops do. I don't know if I would have pulled my gun or not. If I had felt the need to I would have, high school or city street.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Your post is exactly why cops are in the schools, because no one thinks anyone can put a hand on their kid. Now the schools have handed over their responsibility to the police. They won't discipline kids, they expect the police to do it. So when the school says they have a problem with kids in school with guns and drugs, be prepared for the cops to come in and deal with it the way they do.

I'd like to see the cops out of the schools, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Unless of course more people get tired of cops arresting kids in school and start suing. Lawsuits seem to be the only things that bring about change in this country.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Am I being sarcastic about teachers busting heads? No. Some of these kids need their behinds kicked. Bring back the paddle, throw miscreants and ne'er-do-wells out of school.

Our school district is such a bunch of panzie's they won't even give a kid a detention anymore.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Instead of blaming the police I'd like to see PARENTS go to the school board and have them get some intestinal fortitude and throw drug dealers and weapons carriers out of school. But parents won't do it. We just sit on our big butts and complain.

The school board places high risk kids in with normal kids because they can't throw them out.

Therein lies the problem.

[Protagoras]

The government employee who lays hands on my children will spend a long time in the hospital. You want the teachers to become the thugs instead of the police. Bad choice.

[Protagoras]

Therein lies the problem.

Government schools are the problem.

[cajun-jack]

seems to me that the father of every kid that was involved should abruptly show up at the police station during roll call with basball bats and just whup the s##t outta all 14 of the cops plus the rocket scientist that directed this and the principal too for requesting it.

[Orangedog]

Instead of blaming the police I'd like to see PARENTS go to the school board and have them get some intestinal fortitude and throw drug dealers and weapons carriers out of school. But parents won't do it. We just sit on our big butts and complain.

There were no drugs in this raid. And the only guns were the one's the cops had trained on the unarmed kids in that school.

The school board places high risk kids in with normal kids because they can't throw them out. Therein lies the problem.

I agree with that part. If the school districts want to fix the problem, maybe they should fire some administrators and hire some lawyers to fight in court for their right to expell the problems.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Please come spend a day in a city public school system. I can't stay in there for 5 minutes.

Of course good kids wouldn't have anything to worry about. The bad kids are the ones who need the adjustment. But the school district is not willing to throw the bad kids out, they just keep them in school. They mix them with the good kids.

The problem is the government school system, that's my point. And I don't foresee it getting fixed anytime soon.

[Orangedog]

seems to me that the father of every kid that was involved should abruptly show up at the police station during roll call with basball bats and just whup the s##t outta all 14 of the cops plus the rocket scientist that directed this and the principal too for requesting it.

Government employees (especially police) are a protected class. Simple assault on someone in the private sector is just that, simple assault. But if it's a cop or some other government employee, well that's felony time. Oh, and they are allowed to shoot you if you make a "furtive move" or something like that.

[Heyworth]

The problem with cops and politicians is that the people who actually want the job are the last people you want doing it.

[Cap'n Crunch]

In this case, no there was none. We have done similar 'raids' in our city school system. If this incident happens like ours does, it goes like this.

The school calls us and plans ahead for a day when the 'raid' will occur because they have noticed drugs and weapons in the school. On the scheduled day it happens, kind of a hit or miss thing. Same thing happened here. Seometimes we've gotten drugs and sometimes we havent. Sometimes weapons, sometimes not.

But the point is, the school refuses to handle the problem, they call the police. I wish the police dept. would say "NO, handle it yourself." But they won't probably because since Columbine (I believe this is right) the government says that police dept.'s have to have a plan to handle school emergencies such as this, kids with weapons and drugs.

It's a catch-22.

We had a kid involved in a murder who petitioned to stay in school. The school board said "I can't kick him out." They eventually said no, but do you see the point? Kid involved in a MURDER and they can't throw him out of school.

About 10 to 12 times a year we take guns and knives off of kids at the schools here.

[tacticalogic]

Isn't that precious, the 5's are back. And just in time for the holidays!

[unixfox]

POLICE STATE !!

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Can we remove this graphic, please? I'd actually like to read the thread without this stupid monstrosity flashing all the time, distracting from the seriousness of the story.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I've been playing this game for 18 years and haven't shot anybody making furtive movements yet. Dang, if I would have known I could get away with it.... well, there's always tomorrow.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Exactly. I know several police officers currently employed by my home town from high school, either personally or through a member of my family. There are plenty of former juvenile delinquents, hoods, bullies, layabouts, and idiots on that force.

[Protagoras]

The problem is the government school system,

Precisely why no government employee should be given the authority to touch children.

that's my point.

Throwing them out is the right thing to do, not empowering teachers to use violence.

And I don't foresee it getting fixed anytime soon.

It will never be fixed by the manner you advocated.