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Iranian Alert -- November 12, 2003 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 11.12.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 11/12/2003 3:40:10 AM PST by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” But most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. Starting June 10th of this year, Iranians have begun taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy. Many even want the US to over throw their government.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.


PS I have a daily ping list and a breaking news ping list. If you would like to receive alerts to these stories please let me know which list you would like to join.

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iaea; iran; iranianalert; protests; southasia; studentmovement; studentprotest
Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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1 posted on 11/12/2003 3:40:10 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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2 posted on 11/12/2003 3:43:02 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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'18 years of lies' from Iran over its nuclear plans
By Anton La Guardia in Vienna
(Filed: 12/11/2003)

Iran has systematically lied about its nuclear programme for 18 years, seeking to hide the development of key techniques needed to make fissile material for nuclear weapons, according to a report by the United Nations watchdog.

The document, made available to The Telegraph, discloses that Iran successfully enriched uranium and extracted plutonium on a laboratory scale - providing two possible routes to a nuclear weapon.

These admissions by Teheran were part of a series of violations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty catalogued in the document.

The report by Mohammed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said: "Iran's policy of concealment continued until last month with co-operation being limited and reactive, and information being slow in coming, changing and contradictory."

But after nine months of investigations by international inspectors, in which Iran has been forced repeatedly to change its story, Mr ElBaradei said there was no evidence yet that Iran was pursuing a military programme.

He added: "Given Iran's past pattern of concealment, it will take some time before the agency is able to conclude that Iran's nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes."

The report listed nine separate counts of Iran's "failure" to comply with its safeguards agreement under the terms of the NPT. It disclosed that Iran had secretly developed a uranium centrifuge enrichment programme for the past 18 years, and a laser enrichment programme for the past 12.

The experiments in extracting of plutonium, explained by Iran as an attempt "to gain experience in reprocessing chemistry", were particularly worrying.

"The main use for plutonium is in nuclear weapons," said one diplomat. "Plutonium can be used in mixed fuel for power reactors, as is done in France, but there is no sign that Iran has been seeking to do this."

Iran tried to contain the political damage, with Ali Akbar Salehi, its ambassador to the IAEA, saying the breaches were trivial.

"The failures attributed to Iran are insignificant and are at the level of gram and microgram of nuclear materials," Iranian television quoted him as saying.

But a diplomat in Vienna said: "The report is damning. What are the Iranians doing producing plutonium when all they supposedly want is a light water reactor [using low enriched uranium]?"

The IAEA report will give ammunition to all sides in the debate on the Iran nuclear crisis.

America will view it as evidence that Teheran is aggressively seeking an atomic bomb while the Europeans will see it as proof that their diplomatic pressure has forced Iran to come clean. The IAEA will take it as vindication of the ability of inspections to extract the truth.

The United States wants Iran to be formally declared in "non-compliance" of the NPT and referred to the UN Security Council for possible sanctions.

This could embarrass Britain, France and Germany which persuaded Iran last month to co-operate more fully with the IAEA on the tacit understanding that the question would be kept out of the security council.

One compromise may be that the security council is merely "informed" of the findings and will take no further action.

The IAEA appears keen to avoid a confrontation in the hope of encouraging Teheran to keep up its newly declared policy of "active co-operation and openness".

One diplomat said: "The threat of referral to the security council has been very effective. But once you use it, you lose it."

Mr ElBaradei heaped praise on Iran's announcement that it was temporarily suspending its uranium enrichment programme, and had accepted the terms for intrusive inspections.

He said the IAEA still had to carry out extensive checks on Iran's latest claims that could take months to complete.

In particular, he has yet to track down the source of particles of weapons-grade high-enriched uranium found at two sites.Iran says this is the result of contamination of imported equipment, and insists that it has produced only low-enriched uranium.
3 posted on 11/12/2003 3:49:55 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Iran's nuclear openness undermines U.S. goal of having Tehran brought before U.N. Security Council

VIENNA, Austria, Nov. 11

The question of whether Iran was trying to make nuclear arms has not been resolved. But Tehran's sudden openness about its nuclear activities appears nonetheless to have hurt a U.S. drive to bring the country before the U.N. Security Council.

A report this week from the U.N. nuclear agency left no question that Iran covered up past programs, including enriching uranium, processing small amounts of plutonium and carrying out other activities that the United States says is proof of intent to manufacture such weapons.

Still, the report lauded Iran for its recent ''active cooperation and openness'' — praise that one senior U.N. diplomat called a coup for Tehran.

U.S. officials fear that within a decade Iran could spike its Shahab-3 missiles with nuclear warheads that could reach Israel. An intelligence report heard earlier this year by U.S. Congress expressed concern that Iran's nuclear agenda includes the production of ''fissile material for nuclear weapons.''

Part of the International Atomic Energy Agency report released Monday appeared to bolster U.S. calls for a firmer response.

The document, prepared for a Nov. 20 meeting of the agency's powerful board of governors, lists numerous nuclear cover ups by Tehran and says they effectively represent Iran's violations of parts of the Nonproliferation Treaty.

U.S. officials will likely seize on that passage in the report. It says Tehran's recent disclosures ''clearly show that in the past, Iran had concealed many aspects of its nuclear activities, which resulted in breaches of its obligations of the safeguard agreement.''

In comments Tuesday to The Associated Press, Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's chief delegate to the IAEA, suggested that Iran did not consider it had violated any safeguards.

The report's wording on breaching safeguards indicates ''that there are strings being pulled by influential countries,'' Salehi said, alluding to the United States.

''We feel that the report has recognized the fact that Iran has revealed all its activities,'' he said.

While finding ''no evidence'' that Tehran tried to make atomic arms, the report by IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei said such efforts cannot be ruled out until there is a further probe of Iran's previously covert activities.

But ahead of the Nov. 20 meeting, Iran's skillful diplomatic maneuvering appears to be shifting sentiment among the 35-nation board away from a harsh response.

Within the past few weeks, Iran has swung from belligerent denial of wrongdoing to acknowledging past ''mistakes'' in not reporting honestly to the agency. While still maintaining it only wants to generate nuclear power, it has delivered what it says are full answers to open questions about past suspect activities.

Last month, it announced it would suspend uranium enrichment and throw open its nuclear programs to snap agency inspections, in moves that Salehi said left the United States ''isolated.''

Then on Monday it delivered on those promises. Hasan Rowhani, the powerful head of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, said suspension had begun and that a letter committing his country to pervasive inspections had been deposited with the IAEA.

The timing was perfect — just hours before the release of the ElBaradei report. So was the venue: Moscow, a key IAEA board member and Tehran's potential partner in an US$800 million deal to help build Iran's first nuclear power plant.

The ElBaradei report credited Iran with ''active cooperation and openness'' after a September board meeting demanded it unveil previous secrets and cooperate with agency inspectors.

A senior diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, called it a coup for Tehran, saying most board members want to encourage Iran to continue cooperating with the agency instead of driving it into a corner.

U.S. President George W. Bush's administration argues that's where Iran belongs, even if it is now cooperating, because any violation of the Nonproliferation Treaty mandates Security Council involvement — and the threat of possible sanctions.

But experts and diplomats said most board members want to encourage Iran to continue cooperating with the agency.

While the IAEA board might ask the Security Council to closely track Iran's commitment to cooperating with the agency, diplomats said Security Council involvement is unlikely to go beyond that.

David Albright, a former Iraq weapons inspector who runs the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, warned against driving Iran into a corner.

''There is now the danger that if it is slapped in the face, it may say it's not worth cooperating and actually build those nuclear weapons everyone fears they may be working on,'' he said.

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4 posted on 11/12/2003 3:53:48 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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U.S. urges 'appropriate action' on Iran's nukes

By Tom Carter

The Bush administration, citing the latest U.N. report on Iran's nuclear program, said yesterday it would prod other nations to take "appropriate action" against Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons.

"Iran's nuclear-weapons program and its now well-documented pattern of nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty safeguard violations are deeply troubling," said a senior State Department official. "The report reinforces our concerns."

"The United States will work with other IAEA board members to ensure that the Nov. 20 board meeting in Vienna takes the appropriate action," the official said on condition of anonymity.

The comments came a week before a crucial session of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is to decide whether to refer Iran's nuclear program to the U.N. Security Council.

"Iran has no peaceful need for uranium enrichment and plutonium reprocessing," the official said.

The IAEA, the United Nations' nuclear monitoring agency, circulated a new report on Monday that concluded Iran had made small amounts of enriched uranium and processed plutonium, in violation of international conventions.

Uranium or plutonium can be used to build atomic bombs.

The report also detailed decades of Iranian subterfuge and secrecy regarding its program. However, the report found no evidence that Iran was trying to build nuclear weapons.

Michael Levi, a physicist and nuclear-weapons expert at the Brookings Institution, said the IAEA finding that there is no evidence of an Iranian weapons program is a "red herring."

"The difference between civilian nuclear material and material for a nuclear-weapons program is largely one of intent. The IAEA is not in the business of assessing intent," he said. "We've pretty much reached the end of the road scientifically, technically. It is now up to the policy-makers to determine intent."

Mr. Levi said that the report reached two conclusions: first, that Iran has enriched uranium and processed plutonium in violation of international accords, and second, Iran has engaged in two decades of "systematic deception and illegal activity."

The United States has been pushing for months to refer the Iran nuclear matter to the U.N. Security Council, where Iran could face sanctions.

Iran is loath to come under the kinds of international sanctions that crippled Iraq, especially since the hard-line Islamic government is facing enormous pressure for democratic reform from its population.

On Oct. 21, the foreign ministers of France, Germany and Britain cut a deal in which Iran agreed to suspend its uranium-enrichment program and to sign a protocol allowing intrusive international inspections on short notice.

On Monday, coinciding with the IAEA report, Tehran said it had fulfilled its promises.

If Iran is found in noncompliance by the IAEA board of governors at the Nov. 20 meeting, the problem would be automatically referred to the United Nations.

"We will be consulting intensively in the coming weeks with other members of the board to ensure that the board takes decisive action aimed at ensuring full Iranian compliance with its safeguards obligations," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said last week, in anticipation of the IAEA report.

But some analysts say that the Oct. 21 deal made with the three European nations makes a finding of noncompliance unlikely.

There was no official reaction from Germany, Britain or France to the report yesterday. However, the foreign ministers of the three nations plan to speak in a conference call in the next few days regarding the Iran report, according to a German government official.

•Marc Hujer contributed to this article, which is based in part on wire service reports.
5 posted on 11/12/2003 4:00:32 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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US officials know nothing about Islam: Iran

TEHRAN: The United States administration knows nothing about Islam or democracy, Iran’s foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a furious response to an attack by US Secretary of State Colin Powell on the Islamic republic’s ruling clerics.

"The various comments made by the US officials on Islam and Muslims clearly prove they do not know Islam and Muslims, just as they do not know Iraq, the Middle East and democracy," spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told the state news agency IRNA.

On Monday, Powell delivered a surprisingly sharp attack on Iran’s religious leadership.

Asefi said Iran strongly condemns this open intervention in Iran’s internal affairs. "It is astonishing that the current US administration, which came into power through a tampered election, keeps on talking about democracy," the spokesman said at the disputed presidential election that brought US President George W. Bush into office.

Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said Iran’s Islamic government faces increasing pressure from within to adopt democratic reforms as other countries in the region hold elections, expand the right to vote and write new constitutions.

Powell said the intense desire for change in Iran was obvious by the large crowds that greeted this year’s Nobel Peace Prize winner, Shirin Ebadi, when she returned to her homeland last month.
6 posted on 11/12/2003 4:02:45 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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US consults over Iran's nuclear programme

Financial Time
By Roula Khalaf in London and Judy Dempsey in Brussels
Published: November 12 2003 4:00

The US is stepping up consultations with allies after a confidential report by the United Nations' nuclear watchdog showed Iran had long had a secret nuclear programme.

The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), to be considered by its board on November 20, shows Iran has engaged in clandestine research for nearly two decades but says there is no evidence that the extensive experimentation is linked to a weapons programme.

Washington was disturbed that the report did not conclude that Iran's efforts to enrich uranium and process plutonium were part of a weapons programme. "We have a lot of leg work to do with our allies," a US official said.

Whether Iran will be reported to the UN Security Council for violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty remains an open question, but the US position remains that it should be.

The report says Iran acknowledged that it has been developing a uranium centrifuge programme for 18 years and a laser enrichment programme for 12 years, technologies that Iran says can be used for nuclear energy. These can also be used for a weapons programme, however. The report reveals that four countries had provided Iran with sensitive technology but it does not identify them.

Among other alarming findings the report said Iran had produced limited quantity of plutonium in what it said was an experimental effort - that it has tested centrifuges with nuclear material - and that it had an undeclared laser enrichment programme. Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's ambassador to the IAEA, yesterday dismissed the Iranians' failures as "insignificant".

A western diplomat in Vienna said the failures cited by the report bolstered the US position that Iran was in violation of its nuclear obligations and should be referred to the UN Security Council.

But given the admissions by Iran and the agreement on co-operation it reached last month with the foreign ministers of the UK, France and Germany, he said the 35-member board of the IAEA would resist any US attempt to raise the diplomatic pressure. "In some ways the report is so damning that it strengthens the US position but in other ways it weakens it because Iran is now doing things and other board members might say let's not spook them," said the diplomat.

The three European governments said that if Iran satisfies the demands of the IAEA, the issue should not be referred to the Security Council, a view shared by European Union diplomats. "We would lose all leverage over Iran if it was referred to the Security Council. Vienna must remain the place for negotiations," said one.

Tehran this week said it would sign an additional protocol that would allow for intrusive inspections and would suspend uranium enrichment activities.

Additional reporting by Guy Dinmore in Washington
7 posted on 11/12/2003 4:05:16 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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NY Post
November 12, 2003

IN their focus on short-term problems such as power cuts and sporadic terrorist attacks in Baghdad, the media have paid little attention to the long-term issues that concern Iraqis in this period of transition - such as the writing of a new constitution that is to be the cornerstone of a democratic Iraqi state.

The Governing Council in Baghdad has less than a month to unveil its program for drafting a constitution and to fix a timetable for it to come into effect. The Coalition Provisional Authority set a deadline of Dec. 7, and the latest U.N. resolution on Iraq mentions it as well.

Last summer, the council appointed a 25-man committee on constitutional matters, but provided it with no clear mission statement. The group has toured Iraq, talking to people from many walks of life, but produced no concrete proposals.

Three views have emerged on how to form a constituent assembly:

* Have the coalition pick assembly members on the basis of the same ethnic principles used to form the Governing Council. The Kurds, the Turcomans, the Christians and the Yazidis support such a method because it would ensure them proportional representation in a constituent assembly.

* Have the Governing Council (with coalition approval) nominate some members - while tribes, corporations, parties, associations, guilds and cultural organizations chose others. This view is mainly promoted by Arab Sunni Muslims and some non-governmental organizations in Baghdad and other major cities.

* Elect all members directly, on the basis of universal adult suffrage. This is the view of most Shi'ite religious leaders. The most prominent of them, Grand Ayatollah Ali-Muhammad Sistani, has issued a fatwa (opinion) to that effect.

Opponents of direct elections fear that Shii'tes, 60 percent of Iraq's population, would have an automatic majority in the resulting assembly. That could end Kurdish dreams for a federal state, while Arab Sunnis, some 15 percent of the population, would lose their traditional hold on power for ever.

Leaders of several parties, including some Shi'ite ones, also oppose direct elections because they fear the emergence of new political patterns beyond their control. Some returning exiles oppose direct elections because they fear it might produce a new leadership from among those who stayed in Iraq and suffered under Saddam.

WHAT should the coalition do?

First, make sure that the Dec. 7 deadline is met. That is unlikely as things stand: Most Governing Council members are outside Iraq on official or private visits; the few left in Baghdad have not met for weeks. Paul Bremer, the interim administrator, should summon them back to Baghdad to make sure that the deadline is met.

Second, publish a set of principles to guide the writing of the new constitution. This need not be longer than half a page but should include basic points such as legal equality for all Iraqi citizens regardless of gender, religious faith, language and ethnic background, the holding of free and regular elections, a multiparty system and governance based on respect for human rights and the rule of law.

Such controversial issues as whether Iraq should be a bi-national state, Arab and Kurdish, or whether Islam is recognized as the state religion should be left for the assembly to decide.

Nor should the coalition insist on imposing a federal system. Iraq came into being as a unitary state in 1921 and cannot be transformed into a federation overnight.

Third, decide the method of forming the assembly. Direct elections are the wisest course, for numerous reasons.

Holding elections would amount to a dramatic reassertion of Iraq's national sovereignty, and establish a direct bond between the people and those who will write the new constitution.

Members of an appointed assembly would have no such link; they would be beholden to the authority that appointed them. Appointed members would bring with them ethnic loyalties and partisan prejudices that might come into conflict with the broader interests of a nation in transition.

What about fears of Shi'ite domination? Groundless.

The Shi'ites are as divided politically as any other community of more than 15 million people. They offer a complete socio-economic spectrum, from peasants and tribal people to urban workers, middle classes and wealthy businessmen and landowners. They also have at least 10 different political parties, ranging from Communist to moderate conservative to Islamist. There is no possibility of a single, monolithic Shi'ite bloc emerging in an elected assembly.

One real problem with elections is that there is no usable electoral roll. The last credible census was held in 1957 - and Iraq has seen no free elections since then.

But this argument is more effective against the idea of an appointed assembly. If we don't know how many people live in, say, the Kurdish areas, how could we know how many seats to allocate to them?

There would, of course, be no problem if Iraq were considered as a single constituency with all people voting for all assembly members. Anyone above age 16 and holding an Iraqi identity card would be able to vote. But such a method could produce an almost exclusively Shi'ite assembly, even those elected come from different, or even opposing, political backgrounds.

One solution is to accept the existing provinces as individual constituencies. Various methods of population counting could also be used. This might be rather messy, and some votes would "weigh" more than others. But the practice of democracy is nowhere perfect.

Could the terrorist threat make holding elections impossible in some parts? The threat is wildly exaggerated, affecting just over 1 per cent of Iraq's territory. But even then one must not allow a small number of terrorists to dictate the course of events. In areas where it may not be considered safe for people to go to the polls, it is possible to co-opt members in consultation with local leadership groups.

ONCE the coalition has opted for direct elections, it should invite the United Nations to supervise the process on the basis of a clearly defied and strictly limited mission statement. The assembly must be seen as a reflection of the will of the Iraqi people and not as a creature either of the coalition or of parties and groups that, each in its own way, belong to old Iraq.

But for the United Nations to foster this, it must undergo a change of heart - accept the liberation of Iraq as a positive event, and abandon dreams of imposing on the country another, albeit milder, form of Arab despotism. If the United Nations cannot summon the needed vision and/or courage, an international supervisory body could be formed with the help of nations that support democratization in Iraq.

Iraq needs a political process that leads to the emergence of an elected government within a realistic time frame. The constituent assembly could be in place by next summer. It could complete its work by next autumn, submitting its proposed draft to a popular referendum a year from now. That could be followed by the formation of a government of transition to hold general elections early in 2005.

THE Koran says that Satan fears one word above all: Allah.

The various demons of Arab despotism and fascist Islamism also fear one word above all: democracy. It is important that Iraqis hear that word again and again and every day - until all those demons are defeated.

8 posted on 11/12/2003 4:07:29 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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How does this make sense?

''There is now the danger that if it is slapped in the face, it may say it's not worth cooperating and actually build those nuclear weapons everyone fears they may be working on,'' he said.

They weren't cooperating to begin with. For that, they should be ignored? Either way, they are allowed to advance their nuclear weapons program, correct?

9 posted on 11/12/2003 4:08:21 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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UN rights envoy demands Iran release dissidents

November 12, 2003

TEHRAN - The UN's Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression, Ambeyi Ligabo, said he has asked Iran to release all dissidents, including prominent academic Hashem Aghajari.

When asked in an interview to describe the outcome of his meeting here with Aghajari -- condemned to death last year for questioning the right to rule of the clergy but now awaiting a review of his sentence -- Ligabo said the disabled war veteran should be immediately released on health grounds.

"You cannot take care of yourself when you are in prison. It is important that he be released to take care of himself. I have asked that he be immediately released," he told foreign news agency reporters.

Ligabo said he made a similar demand for other prisoners he had met with.

"Not only Aghajari but all of them. I believe that they should be released so that they can be able to take care of themselves," he said, referring to prisoners being held in the Islamic republic for press related offences or having merely spoken out against the clerical regime.

Iranian authorities responded, he said, by telling him that a number of cases were under review.

The envoy, who was wrapping up a week-long fact-finding mission to Iran in preparation of a key report of the human rights situation here, said access to the people he wanted to see had largely been satisfied.

"I met the prisoners of my own choosing," he said, explaining that the talks with them were held in the courtyard of north Tehran's Evin prison and without any officials present "so that the prisoners were free to talk to me."

He also said a number of those he met had complained of serious mistreatment.

"Solitary confinement is bad treatment," he explained, adding that some of the prisoners had reported being held in solitary for more than 100 days.

As for Aghajari, Ligabo would only say the two had held "exhaustive discussions".

Aghajari is currently Iran's most high-profile dissident.

In a speech last year, he called for a "religious renewal" of Shiite Islam, espousing a major structural shake-up in Iran's religion of state and asserting that Muslims were not "monkeys" and "should not blindly follow" religious leaders.

For powerful hardliners, those comments were seen as a frontal assault on the Shiite doctrine of emulation and the status of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as supreme leader.

In November 2002, a judge in the western city of Hamedan ruled that Aghajari had committed blasphemy and, in line with Islamic and Iranian law, deserved to die.

But following a week of protests by students and complaints by reformist government officials, Khamenei stepped in and demanded the sentence be reviewed by the same hardline court in Hamedan that issued the initial verdict.

Aghajari remains in jail pending the revision of the sentence.

Aides to Ligabo said the Kenyan diplomat had met with some of Iran's most prominent prisoners, among them also jailed journalist Akbar Ganji -- jailed in 2000 after he alleged in a newspaper that top regime officials were behind a spate of grisly murders of dissidents.

A UN source said Ligabo also met with Siamak Pourzand and Iraj Jamshidi. Pourzand was jailed over a year ago on accusations of spying for the United States, while Jamshidi was jailed this year after his paper caaried a front page photograph of Maryam Rajavi, a leader of the banned People's Mujahedeen opposition group.

Ligabo had initially been due to visit the country in July, but Tehran postponed the trip in June at the height of anti-regime protests which were accompanied by arrests of journalists, student leaders and dissidents.
10 posted on 11/12/2003 4:09:13 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Straw Breaks Ranks with U.S. Over Iran

November 12, 2003

Britain, Washington's staunchest ally in the war in Iraq (news - web sites), admitted Wednesday to differences with its partner over how to tackle the nuclear ambitions of Iran.

While the United States reacted quickly and harshly to an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report which said Tehran had dabbled in activities possibly linked to atom bomb-making, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw unusually broke ranks Wednesday to strike a milder note.

"We should be reacting calmly to the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency," he told BBC Radio. "This report, which certainly is very worrying in terms of what it discloses, also shows a pretty high level of cooperation."

The nuclear safety agency's report this week said although no evidence had so far been found of a bomb program in Iran, Tehran had experimented with possibly linked activities like plutonium production and uranium enrichment.

The report prompted Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) to accuse "hidebound clerics" in Tehran of dragging Islam into "the political gutter."

Straw will meet Powell for talks in Washington later in the day. The United States wants the IAEA board to pass a resolution to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council, a move which could lead to sanctions against Tehran.

But Britain may resist, along with France and Germany.

The three have tried to engage with Iran, to the dismay of Washington which has long taken a tougher line. Last month the European trio secured Iranian agreement to snap inspections of its nuclear sites and a freeze of uranium enrichment.

Speaking on BBC Radio, Straw, who has made building ties with Tehran a cornerstone of his diplomatic agenda, was careful to respect Iran's heritage.

"We want to see a process by which Iran comes fully into the democratic modern fold while being able to show full respect to its Islamic roots and the fact that it is an Islamic republic," he said, going on to admit differences with Washington.

"Because of the history between Iran and the United States, the felt more sensitively than it is in Europe," he said. "We have different analyzes but we share a common objective."
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Tehran Objects to Remarks of Colin Powell

November 12, 2003
Iran Weekly Press Digest

“Remarks and interpretations made by the American officials indicate that they know nothing about Islam, Moslems, Middle East and democracy,” Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hamid-Reza Assefi was quoted as saying by the agency.

The spokesman was referring to the Powell’s remarks at the City College of New York on Monday that Iranian people do not want to banish Islam from their lives and want to be free of those who have dragged the sacred garments of Islam into the political gutter.

Assefi also termed Powell’s remarks as a clear interference in Iran’s internal affair and said: “it is surprising that U.S. officials - whom were elected in a distorted election – talk about democracy and people’s rights.”

The U.S. secretary had said that Iranian people want reform and they want their freedom back. Iran had been termed by the U.S. President George W. Bush as a part of an "axis of evil" together with Iraq and North Korea. Tehran has always rejected U.S. allegations that it was supporting terrorism and suppressing people’s freedom.
12 posted on 11/12/2003 4:14:26 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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13 posted on 11/12/2003 4:41:23 AM PST by windchime
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Khatami 'Complains' over IAEA Report

November 12, 2003
Middle East Online
Siavosh Ghazi

Iran's President Mohammad Khatami said Wednesday he had a number of complaints against the head of UN's nuclear watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei over his report listing violations by Iran's nuclear programme.

Khatami said Tehran's future cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency depended on the outcome of the IAEA's November 20 board meeting which could declare Iran in breach of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

"In the report the important point was that there is no proof Iran is seeking to build the atomic bomb. Overall, there are positive points and there are points that did not need to have been mentioned," Khatami told reporters.

"We have some complaints against Mr. ElBaradei," he added, asserting that Iran's failures had been in the past and that "there was no need to repeat them."

"He should have taken into account other considerations. It is natural that during the past 20 years of nuclear activities that there have been failures, but this does not signify a violation of the NPT," he added.

"We will continue our cooperation with the agency and we are waiting for the board of directors meeting. If their attitude is political, we reserve the right to change our attitude," Khatami said, although he did add that "I am optimistic."

The confidential report by ElBaradei, released on Monday, has sparked a diplomatic tug-of-war between IAEA member states in favor of passing a non-compliance resolution and those advocating a lighter reprimand that would encourage Tehran to keep cooperating.

The US alleges oil- and gas-rich Iran - which it had lumped into an "axis of evil" with North Korea and pre-war Iraq - is using a programme to generate atomic energy as a convenient cover for a nuclear weapons drive.

And a US State Department spokesman said Tuesday that the IAEA report had only reinforced US fears.

The IAEA report said Iran had "concealed many aspects of its nuclear activities with resulting breaches of its obligation to comply with" NPT safeguards.

It said Iran had secretly produced plutonium, material generally used only for making nuclear weapons, as well as enriched uranium, a nuclear fuel that can also be used to make the bomb, and had also imported uranium without reporting it to the IAEA as required.

The report said there was "no evidence that the previously undeclared nuclear material and activities ... were related to a nuclear weapons program."

But it still gave the caveat that "given Iran's past pattern of concealment" time is needed before Iran's nuclear program can be certified as "exclusively for peaceful purposes."

But while Khatami acknowledged that Iran's nuclear activities have been "very varied", he asserted that the production of plutonium had been for medical purposes and "totally peaceful".

And Iran's concealment, he argued, was because of US efforts "to stop our activities and impose sanctions".

Diplomats say Iran is likely to escape censure at the November 20 IAEA board meeting, but largely in a concession to Britain, France and Germany, which sent their foreign ministers here last month to secure Iranian compliance with IAEA demands.

Iran agreed as a result to allow tougher inspections, suspend uranium enrichment and come clean on past activities by delivering a comprehensive report on its nuclear activities and trading.
14 posted on 11/12/2003 4:53:38 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Iran student activist missing

11/11/2003 21:18 - (SA)

Tehran - A prominent Iranian student activist who met with a visiting United Nations rights envoy over the weekend has gone missing, the student news agency ISNA reported on Tuesday.

The agency also quoted Iran's prosecutor general, Abdolnabi Namazi, as dismissing the integrity of the UN's Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression, Ambeyi Ligabo, who spent a week here on a key fact-finding mission.

ISNA said the student activist, Ahmad Batebi, was reported by his father to have gone missing on Saturday after meeting with Ligabo.

The student was one of hundreds detained during student-led protests here in 1999, and a photograph of him holding aloft a bloodstained T-shirt - a picture that was widely carried across the world - earned him a death sentence for propagating against the Islamic regime.

His sentence was eventually reduced on appeal to 13 years imprisonment, and he had been on prison leave for medical reasons when he met with Ligabo. His father told ISNA that his prison leave had been due to expire on Monday, but that he had gone missing on Saturday.

"If I have no news of my son and if the security of my family is not assured, I will contact human rights defence organisations," his father told the agency.

Meanwhile, Namazi complained that Ligabo had raised "secondary and marginal questions" while in Iran, and said he was not expecting a balanced report from the Kenyan diplomat.

"International organisations are generally under the influence of the Zionists who always try to put into question the Islamic republic," Namazi told ISNA.

While in Iran, Ligabo met with a string of officials and dissidents and called on Iran to release all those jailed for press related offences or having merely spoken out against the clerical regime.

He said access to the people he wanted to see had largely been satisfied, and added that a number of prisoners he met had complained of serious mistreatment, notably periods of more than 100 days of solitary confinement.

His report, due for release next March, will be taken into consideration when member states of the United Nations Human Rights Commission decide on whether to forward a resolution condemning Iran.,,2-10-1462_1443813,00.html
15 posted on 11/12/2003 4:58:26 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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British FM urges calm reaction to 'Report' on Iran

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - ©2003

LONDON, Nov 12, (AFP) -- The British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw on Wednesday called for the international community to react calmly to a report by the UN's nuclear watchdog which accused Iran of covert nuclear activities over 20 years.

Speaking a day after a sharp reaction from the United States, Straw told BBC radio: "We should be reacting calmly to this latest report. We have to pursue this matter patiently and by diplomatics means."

Since mid-September, Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), was "reporting a considerable degree of cooperation by the Iranians," said Straw.

"I can't say whether this cooperation is complete but it has certainly been substantial," Straw said.

"It's a matter for the (IAEA) board to decide whether or not the matter should be referred to the (UN) Security Council, and I'm not going to preempt the decision of the board," he added.

The IAEA Monday accused Iran of covert nuclear activities over the past 20 years, including making plutonium, but said there was no evidence as yet it was trying to build an atomic bomb.

A November 20 meeting of the IAEA's board of governors is set to rule on Iran's nuclear program.

The United States accuses Iran, its arch-foe, of secretly trying to develop atomic weapons.

It wants the IAEA's 35-nation board to judge Iran in non-compliance with its treaty obligations and send the matter to the UN Security Council, which could impose sanctions.

Straw refused to class Iran in the same league as Iraq under Saddam Hussein, saying: "There is no evidence of large scale active chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs (in Iran) on the scale" developed by Iraq.
16 posted on 11/12/2003 5:00:49 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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Mohammed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said: "Iran's policy of concealment continued until last month with co-operation being limited and reactive, and information being slow in coming, changing and contradictory."

Gee, I wonder why they'd do that?

"The experiments in extracting of plutonium, were particularly worrying.
"The main use for plutonium is in nuclear weapons," said one diplomat"

Let's assume they're up to no good, and err on the side of CAUTION?
17 posted on 11/12/2003 5:49:41 AM PST by nuconvert
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May he be found safe.
18 posted on 11/12/2003 5:55:42 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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We know Ahmad Batebi's face very well here on the Thread.

(see Banner in post #2)

Good luck to him.
Khoda Hafez

19 posted on 11/12/2003 6:00:16 AM PST by nuconvert
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Reading, watching and learning...........
20 posted on 11/12/2003 7:03:24 AM PST by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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Experts say report shows Iran wants atom bomb

Reuters, UK
Wed 12 November, 2003

VIENNA (Reuters) - Arms experts say a U.N. nuclear watchdog report on Iran supports U.S. claims that Tehran has a secret atomic weapons programme by detailing a two-decade cover-up of research possibly linked to bomb making.

Despite Iran's secretiveness and the array of activities possibly associated with weapons, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) concluded there was no evidence to date Iran had a weapons programme. Iran has always denied the charge.

"The report is a stunning revelation of how far a country can get in making The Bomb, while pretending to comply with international inspections," said Gary Milhollin of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, a U.S.-based non-profit think-tank. "This is a classic case of a bomb in the basement."

"Iran has secretly enriched uranium, made plutonium, and hidden the evidence of it from the world," he told Reuters. "There's only one reason why anybody would do that -- because they want to make the bomb.

The IAEA said in a confidential report circulated on Monday that Iran had a centrifuge uranium enrichment programme for 18 years and a hi-tech laser enrichment programme for 12 years, both of which it hid from the U.N.

The report also said Iran admitted to producing small amounts of plutonium, useable in a bomb and with virtually no civilian uses, and had conducted secret tests of its enrichment centrifuges using nuclear material. The IAEA said it would take time to say whether the programme was peaceful.

On Wednesday, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami insisted Tehran's nuclear plans were purely peaceful. "It's not important what machinery we have, it's important that we are not pursuing nuclear weapons," he said.

The United States says Iran's nuclear power programme is merely a front for building nuclear bombs and wants the IAEA governing board to report Tehran to the U.N. Security Council for repeatedly violating the NPT when the board meets next week.

However, Washington has few allies on the board, diplomats said, with most members supporting France, Germany and Britain, who would rather encourage Iran's new mode of full cooperation with the IAEA than punish it for past failures.


Tehran signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1970, though some believe that the U.S-backed Shah, toppled in the 1979 revolution, was seeking weapons.

"The Iranians are...following the textbook written by the late Shah," Harald Mueller of Germany's Frankfurt Peace Research Institute told Reuters.

Trevor Findlay, head of the London-based Verification Research, Training and Information Centre, said: "Iran's (atomic) programme appears not to be on the scale of, or as advanced as, the Iraqi programme", but he said Iran was in clear violation of its NPT obligation to report all atomic activities to the IAEA.

On Monday, Iran gave the IAEA a letter confirming it would sign the NPT's Additional Protocol, which would give the U.N. the right to conduct more intrusive, short-notice inspections to flush out any secret weapons-related activities.

"(The protocol) will make it difficult for Iran to pursue a clandestine nuclear weapons programme, but it does not prevent Iran from pursuing (legal) fuel-cycle capabilities that would give the country a 'break-out' nuclear weapon option," said Miriam Rajkumar of the U.S.-based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
21 posted on 11/12/2003 7:13:46 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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Reports: Iran, N. Korea gain in nukes

The Washington Times
November 12th, 2003

WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 (UPI) -- Two intelligence reports on the nuclear capabilities of North Korea and Iran have startled U.S. intelligence officials, the New York Times said Wednesday.

Overall, the reports support the consensus view North Korea is far ahead of Iran in the production of actual weapons and poses the most urgent proliferation problems for the Bush administration, the newspaper said.

Iran's program turns out to have been even greater than U.S. intelligence agencies suspected. A 30-page report issued by the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency Monday describes a program that reached back at least 18 years and involved extremely complex technologies, including an exotic program to use lasers to enrich uranium.

Iran's decision to allow the IAEA into facilities that were previously closed to inspectors may forestall Bush's effort to seek sanctions in the United Nations, leaving Iran with an advanced nuclear infrastructure that could be restarted at a moment's notice.
22 posted on 11/12/2003 7:15:12 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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Free, just elections guarantee high voter turnout: gov`t spokesman

IRNA News Agency

Zanjan, Nov 12, IRNA -- Government spokesman Abdullah Ramezanzadeh
here on Wednesday highlighted the need to reassure people that the
upcoming elections of the Majlis would be just and free, stressing
that this would guarantee a high voter turnout.
"People`s participation in the Majlis polls would decrease as
soon as they feel that their votes are ineffective, or that their
favorite candidates would have difficulties serving in the office once
elected," Ramezanzadeh told reporters here in the northwestern city of
He said the obstacles that hamper people`s participation in the
Majlis elections must be removed, adding that people need to receive
assurances that the MPs who are elected for Majlis seats will have an
effective contribution to the decision-making of the country.
Ramezanzadeh stressed that the government never follows the
policies that are beyond the Constitution regarding the Majlis
"No state official or institution can ever implement a directive
which is against or beyond the Constitution, and it can never be
expected that the government would heed the demands of a certain power
camp that are beyond the Constitution," he said.
Ramezanzadeh stressed that people`s participation in the Majlis
polls will show whether the elections have been successful and will
also determine the alignment of power camps at the chamber.
"To guarantee people`s strong participation in the polls, the
political parties should change their policies as well as their
viewpoints toward the Majlis elections," the government spokesman
23 posted on 11/12/2003 8:02:51 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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Freedom ~ Now!
24 posted on 11/12/2003 9:32:48 AM PST by blackie
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Please join us here to read the latest news, reports and commentaries about the most important country of the Middle-East region, Iran.

Thank you ~! -- Pilot
25 posted on 11/12/2003 10:46:57 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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"4 men sentenced to stoning, despite suspension"

November 11, 2003
©2003 IranMania

TEHRAN, Nov 11, (AFP) -- Four Iranian men found guilty of a series of kidnappings and rapes have been sentenced to execution by stoning, the conservative Qods newspaper said Tuesday, despite an order from the judiciary late last year for judges to issue alternative punishments.

The four were members of a gang who abducted and raped an undisclosed number of women and girls in the northeastern city of Mashhad. Nine members of the gang have already been executed by hanging, one of them publicly.

After a campaign by pro-reform MPs and pressure from the European Union -- which has linked progress on human rights and other issues to trade talks -- Iran's judiciary late last year announced it was suspending executions by stoning.

The hardline-run judiciary said it had ordered judges to issue alternative punishments to stoning, without saying what other punishments could be ordered.

No executions by stoning have been reported by the Iranian press for over a year, although Amnesty International reported at least two cases during 2002. Diplomats said two people were stoned to death in 2001.
26 posted on 11/12/2003 10:55:31 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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"We want to see a process by which Iran comes fully into the democratic modern fold while being able to show full respect to its Islamic roots and the fact that it is an Islamic republic," he said, going on to admit differences with Washington.

Iranians don't want an Islamic Republic you scumbag Jack Straw. No wonder Iranians say that the British bankroll the Islamic Regime while looting Iran's oil.
27 posted on 11/12/2003 12:32:16 PM PST by freedom44
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On Wednesday, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami insisted Tehran's nuclear plans were purely peaceful. "It's not important what machinery we have, it's important that we are not pursuing nuclear weapons," he said.

What are you going to believe,
me or your lying eyes?

28 posted on 11/12/2003 2:40:31 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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Richard Lugar

Christian Science Monitor
Excerpts from a Monitor breakfast on reports of Iran's secret nuclear program
By David T. Cook

Senator Richard Lugar, Republican of Indiana, is chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator Lugar is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Denison University and was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. While serving in the Navy, he was intelligence briefer for chief of naval operations. After serving two terms as mayor of Indianapolis, Richard Lugar won election to the Senate in 1976 and won a fifth term in 2000.

Here are excerpts from his remarks:

On President Bush's performance in foreign policy:

"He is back on top of his game at this point. When he does come forth decisively, he is humble often in saying 'these are areas in which I have not spent my lifetime. I listen to the very best advice that I can gather.' And then he makes decisions. I think his batting average has been a very good one."

On progress in the war in Iraq:

"We have all come to the conclusion that things have not gone well in Iraq, by and large, and so we have to improve day by day."

On the work of members of Iraq's Governing Council:

"The meetings are spasmodic and don't occur for periods of time.... Conspicuously, the 25 (members) are not doing their job.... This is a time when we have to be insisting they get on with it."

On a UN agency report that Iran had a secret nuclear program:

"I applaud the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) for that report. [Having a secret nuclear program for] 18 years - that's a long stretch of time and it doesn't mean the world was beguiled all the way through that period of time. There have been some suspicions something is going on.... The thoroughness, the completeness of the [alleged nuclear] activity is astonishing. The need for vigilance and scrutiny at this point ... is rather imperative. It does offer from the standpoint of the United Nations now - not the United States - the United Nations, an evaluation that is very important. Nations can now no longer look at the situation passively. My guess is that it will increase, quite correctly, the pressure on Iran to provide for international inspection and clearly attempt to thwart the movement toward weaponization."

On President Bush's call in a speech last week to expand democracy worldwide:

"I suppose now what I would hope for is ... the program to sort of lay out how this occurs.... A full-court press for democracy across the board would imply something at least akin ... to the program the president has suggested for HIV-AIDS."

On greatest threat to safety to his grandchildren:

"The same theme this war is being fought over - the potential intersection of materials or weapons of mass destruction with suicidal terrorists. I think this combination, augmented by the ease of travel, communication, all the technical virtuosity that has come to our world, makes this especially frightening. [After Sept. 11, 2001] our foreign policy changed abruptly because we realized the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans were large oceans but not large enough to protect us. Essentially the ability to fight wars somewhere else, to deploy our troops, was important but at this point irrelevant in the event that the attack was in Washington or New York....

"As opposed to sitting still about it, it seems to me that you do a full-court press to get control of weapons and materials of mass destruction. By that I mean to work with nations to make sure that they [their nuclear weapons are] safe, inventory it so we and they know as best as possible what we do all have in the world, and preferably that we take steps to destroy it or mitigate the supply situation.... It is not going to happen without our participation either in Russia or elsewhere."
29 posted on 11/12/2003 4:21:20 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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Iran admits violating Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

Wednesday, November 12, 2003

Iran has admitted violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty by enriching uranium without the authorization of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

An IAEA report distributed to the agency's 35-member board of governors asserted that Iran has admitted to several violations of the NPT. They include a secret uranium enrichment program that has been operating since 1985.

During the summer of 2003, an IAEA team had found traces of enriched uranium, but Iran said the material came from an unnamed country, Middle East Newsline reported.

"Iran has now acknowledged that it has been developing, for 18 years, a uranium centrifuge program, and, for 12 years, a laser enrichment program," the report said. "In that context Iran has admitted that it produced small amounts of LEU [low-enriched uranium], using both centrifuge and laser enrichment processes and a small amount of plutonium."

The use of centrifuges and lasers are regarded as the leading methods for producing fissile material for both nuclear power plants or weapons. Iran has maintained that its uranium enrichment was for civilian purposes.

After months of denial, Iran told the agency that the Islamic republic enriched uranium at the Kalaye Electric Co. facility in 1999 and 2000.

The IAEA report determined that the agency could not conclude that Iran's secret nuclear program was meant for the assembly of atomic bombs. But the agency did not rule out such a goal over the next few years as Iran continues to build its nuclear infrastructure.

"It will take some time before the agency is able to conclude that Iran's nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes," the report said.

The report raised concerns over Iran's nuclear program but did not determine that Teheran had violated the NPT. The agency said Iran had pursued a policy of concealment until October 2003. But the agency stressed that the amount of nuclear material found fell far short of what was required for the assembly of a bomb.

"While most of the breaches identified to date have involved limited quantities of nuclear material, they have dealt with the most sensitive aspects of the nuclear fuel cycle, including enrichment and reprocessing," the report said.

Western diplomatic sources said the 29-page report appears to fall short of the expectations of the United States, which had sought an IAEA determination that Iran had failed to cooperate with the agency. Such a move would have resulted in the issue being relayed to the United Nations Security Council.

"In the end, the Board will have to judge when it meets on November 20th about what to do next and whether Iran has complied," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said on Monday.
30 posted on 11/12/2003 4:30:11 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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Iran admits violating Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

Wednesday, November 12, 2003
31 posted on 11/12/2003 4:30:48 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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Good One
32 posted on 11/12/2003 6:37:46 PM PST by nuconvert
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War on Terror Leaves Poppy to History ... Winning is Essential
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | November 12, 2003 | David Warren

Armistice or Remembrance or Veterans' Day -- it is the same moment in western experience, the bond between many old allies. We understand that peace is good. But until recently we seemed to understand that our freedom is also good, therefore war is sometimes necessary; and through war, victory.

The Armistice we signed 85 years ago, as the agreements we signed after another world war, were not mere truces. They were surrenders we were accepting. The two ideas are closely entwined -- war with peace, and freedom with victory over forces that would enslave us.

Whereas a truce is not an end to hostilities. It is only a break from them. The truce that ended the Korean War settled nothing. It is a war that could, at any moment, be fought all over again, with still more horrendous weapons. The dragon in that war wasn't slain, we left it to fight another day. And yet it was a comprehensible dragon, an organized enemy with its own will to live.

We begin to understand today that the world of the poppy has been left behind us, and the future presents a world in which the role of the soldier is much changed from what it has been.

One sees this in the town of Fallujah, Iraq. The U.S. military had no great difficulty occupying the town, and could, if it wanted, have easily erased it. Instead, in obedience to western norms of humanitarianism, it plays sentry against an enemy that does not accept that it has been defeated. The Americans pump money into welfare and schools, rebuild infrastructure, appoint a mayor and train police (who must then immediately bunker down). They give candy to the children as after former wars. They are in continuous conversation with every acknowledged figure of authority in the town, all of whom at least pretend to co-operate.

Most of the rest of Iraq is "pacified" -- but in Fallujah, and similar towns in the Sunni Triangle, it is like Afghanistan. The traditional tribal chiefs or 'warlords' seem willing to co-operate, when fear does not silence them.

But they were rendered powerless by the old regime (Saddam in Iraq; the Taliban in Afghanistan). The real power no longer belongs to them, but to nameless people beyond the reach of any kind of negotiation or intimidation.

This is the new enemy -- the one that the Israelis previously encountered in Jenin, Hebron, Jerusalem; the dis-order or anti-order that Yasser Arafat was able to establish in West Bank and Gaza. An enemy, once created, who can't be called back; who does not recognize any norms of tribe or state; and whose way of life is almost purely psychopathic. Yet an enemy that may be able to penetrate immigrant communities in the West almost as easily as he can penetrate the destabilized societies from which he came.

Like many other western countries, Canada remains only an indirect participant in the new war, that still does not have a name, though it is apparent through daily newspaper headlines. Yet our "peacekeeping" troops in Afghanistan are acquiring a taste of the new reality, which our politicians and people have not yet assimilated.

Not even the Romans faced such an enemy, through centuries of patrolling their most distant frontiers; and probably no other people previously encountered nihilism in so extreme a form. An enemy for whom the "suicide bomb" is not even a weapon, but an aesthetic gesture. Whose only purpose is to advance Armageddon. And who captures the imagination of the young.

We couldn't surrender, even if we wanted to. We must instead find new ways to fight.
33 posted on 11/12/2003 9:09:41 PM PST by nuconvert
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Cogent remarks from Lugar.

As mayor he sent the police cars home with the officers to increase the police presence.

His Nunn-Lugar Act seems to have financed Russia's Topol-M program--but of course he would say he's securing their nuclear material.

A nice depiction of Bush admitting lack of experience and hiring the best advice.

From Clinton we got arrogance--and Albright and Berger and Cohen abetting Russian and Chinese and North Korean and Iranian proliferation.

34 posted on 11/12/2003 9:21:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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Mofaz: Iran will have nukes in a year

Jerusalem Post
Nov. 13, 2003

Iran will have nuclear capability in one year, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Washington Institute for Near East Policy Wednesday.

His prediction came as both the International Atomic Energy Agency and former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said they found no evidence Iran is using its civilian nuclear program as cover to produce a bomb.

"We believe Iran can reach the point of no return in one year from now," said Mofaz, who met later with Secretary of State Colin Powell and is to meet Thursday with Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

"From my perspective, the way that the US [is] leading the effort to prevent this nuclear power in the hands of an extreme regime with long-range missiles has started to bear fruit. It's necessary to continue with this effort," he said.

The US would like to see the issue referred to the UN Security Council, where sanctions could be placed on Iran.

Blix told Reuters in a Wednesday interview that he does not believe the civilian nuclear reactors being constructed by Iran are a danger. A report by the IAEA, which has yet to be released, reportedly says the group found no evidence of a secret arms bid.

Mofaz warned Syria that Israel could again strike inside its territory, as it did last month when it attacked a Palestinian terrorist training camp near Damascus in retaliation for a suicide bombing, if President Bashar Assad does not halt the activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad there.

"Syria is continuing to support and to back terror activities against the State of Israel. Syria should know that they will pay a price for backing terrorism and for continuing to harbor and finance terror against the free world," he said.

Mofaz also described Assad's leadership as "strange," but did not elaborate.

Mofaz held out the prospect of dialogue with the new Palestinian Authority government headed by Ahmed Qurei (Abu Ala). But he said he was deeply skeptical that Qurei would be able to combat terrorist groups with Chairman Yasser Arafat retaining control of the security forces.

"Our goal is to bring back the Palestinians to the negotiating table. But first they should fight against terrorism and dismantle the terrorist infrastructure," he said.

"We will speak with Abu Ala. To be honest with you, I'm worried about the way he's going to control the security groups. Knowing the structure, Arafat is going to control the security groups. It will make it very difficult to move forward if he will be the man to give the order and the direction to the security groups. However we will judge the Abu Ala government first and foremost by the results."

Of a possible cease-fire with Hamas or Islamic Jihad, he said: "We will not be a part of any cease-fire with Palestinian terrorist groups. We will speak to Abu Ala. But achieving an agreement or cease-fire between the Abu Ala government and the Palestinian terror groups, it is their problem. I mean the Palestinian problem."

He said prospects for a political settlement with the Palestinians in the near future are bleak and that instead the sides should work toward achieving another interim agreement.
"It will be very difficult from the situation that we are facing today to reach in a month or a few years a permanent agreement, and I believe that we have to go through some interim agreement that will rebuild the trust between the two sides, will give us a proper sense of security for the people of Israel, and give hope to the Palestinian people," he said.
35 posted on 11/13/2003 1:09:48 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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36 posted on 11/13/2003 1:11:58 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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To: F14 Pilot
Article Title: "Mofaz: Iran will have nukes in a year"

Are we really sure that Iran does not have nukes yet?
37 posted on 11/13/2003 1:47:43 AM PST by Cindy
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To: F14 Pilot
38 posted on 11/13/2003 3:43:25 AM PST by windchime
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To: F14 Pilot
"IAEA Stands By Report On Iran
November 13, 2003 1217 GMT

"The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is standing by its report on Iran's nuclear program, despite criticism from U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton, who said the agency's assessment that Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon was “impossible to believe.” IAEA spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said the confidential report would be discussed in detail during the agency's Nov. 20 meeting in Vienna.

39 posted on 11/13/2003 5:17:16 AM PST by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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To: F14 Pilot
Freedom ~ Now!
40 posted on 11/13/2003 8:45:47 AM PST by blackie
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn; Grampa Dave
Blix told Reuters in a Wednesday interview that he does not believe the civilian nuclear reactors being constructed by Iran are a danger.

Isn't that special.

Iran is stalling in order to complete its nuclear program.

Israel should be allowed to act in its defense, whether in Syria or Iran.

The U.S. should learn the futility of half measures by its experience in Iraq: bad guys don't honor treaties, resolutions, or roe's.

The only roe is to win--the alternative is to be defeated.

41 posted on 11/13/2003 1:26:25 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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