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'Grand Theft Auto' Makers Fight Lawsuit
yahoo.com | Nov 11, 8:19 AM | DUNCAN MANSFIELD

Posted on 11/12/2003 6:10:55 AM PST by freepatriot32

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - The creators of the video game series "Grand Theft Auto" want a federal judge to dismiss a $246 million lawsuit filed by the families of two people shot by teenagers

Rockstar Games and its New York City-based parent, Take-Two Interactive Software, said the victims' families were trying to hold them liable "based on the expressive content of the video game."

Retailer Wal-Mart and marketer Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc., are also named in the lawsuit.

Aaron Hamel, 45, was killed and Kimberly Bede, 19, was seriously wounded when their cars were hit June 25 by .22-caliber bullets while driving along Interstate 40.

Stepbrothers William Buckner, 16, and Joshua Buckner, 14, were sentenced in August to an indefinite term after pleading guilty in juvenile court to reckless homicide, endangerment and assault.

The boys told investigators they got the rifles from a locked room in their home and decided to randomly shoot at tractor-trailer rigs, just like in the video game "Grand Theft Auto III."

Responding Oct. 29 in U.S. District Court, Rockstar and Take-Two contend that such ideas and concepts as well as the "purported psychological effects" on the Buckners are protected by the First Amendment's free-speech clause.

A lawyer who represents the victims dismissed the claim, saying he would seek to move the case back into state court for consideration under Tennessee's consumer protection act.

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1 posted on 11/12/2003 6:10:56 AM PST by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
I ate my own brain after watching "Hannibal."
2 posted on 11/12/2003 6:15:48 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: freepatriot32
Considering the game is for adults (NC-17), I think this is a case of bad parenting and no parental supervision.
3 posted on 11/12/2003 6:18:04 AM PST by Chewbacca (Nothing burps better than bacon!)
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To: dead
GTA III is an excellent game.

However, the recommended prerequisites to playing it should be that you have a shred of common sense and the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

4 posted on 11/12/2003 6:20:35 AM PST by New Horizon
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To: New Horizon
I've never played it, but the same can be said of any game, even ones you don't need a computer to play.

We played "Kill the Guy with the Ball" when I was a kid, but we didn't actually murder anybody. Just bodyslammed them and maybe kicked them a couple of times.

5 posted on 11/12/2003 6:22:36 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: freepatriot32
garbage in
garbage out
6 posted on 11/12/2003 6:25:29 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: dead
I ate my own brain after watching "Hannibal."

Back to DU with ya!
7 posted on 11/12/2003 6:27:41 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Idiots.

BTW, current rumor is that "GTA4: San Andreas" (tenative title) is due late 3rd Quarter or early 4th Quarter of 2004.

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

8 posted on 11/12/2003 6:28:16 AM PST by mhking
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To: freepatriot32
Watching the movie Entrapment made me want to steal jewelry, and slap Catherine Zeta-Jones' ass.

Playing Simcity 4 made me want to balance the local budget.

Playing Pacman made me want to eat little pills while running around a dark room with loud music playing.

This case will get laughed out of court.
9 posted on 11/12/2003 6:29:43 AM PST by Quick1
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To: dead
Weplayed "Kill the Guy with the Ball" when I was a kid,...

Funny, we did too. We didn't call it that, though.

Another part of our cultural heritage (such as it is...) lost to PC.

10 posted on 11/12/2003 6:33:54 AM PST by gridlock
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To: mhking
4th Quarter 2004, according to Rockstar's shareholder's conference.

Also, it's not GTA4: that name is being reserved for the title coming out after this next one. The next GTA (where'd you get San Andreas from? Rockstar hasn't announced anything related to the game's setting) will be a side-story type thing, like Vice City.

Oh, yeah, the lawsuit... I wonder where all the lawsuits against HBO for airing The Sopranos are hiding? Dumb morons...
11 posted on 11/12/2003 6:35:55 AM PST by Terpfen
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To: dead
I rarely use abbreviations, but this comment deserves a big OMG, ROTFLMAO!!!!
12 posted on 11/12/2003 6:38:13 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: freepatriot32
Whoa... That kinda puts the kibosh on my gathering together a mechanized army and invading France after playing Panzer General II...
13 posted on 11/12/2003 6:43:09 AM PST by Axenolith
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To: mhking; Poohbah
Sheesh... the folks trying to run GTA's makers into bankruptcy are as full of it as Sarah Brady.
14 posted on 11/12/2003 6:52:28 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Axenolith; Poohbah; Pukin Dog
Or hopping into an F-4J, waxing MiGs over some foreign land, and strafing the pilots that eject from the MiGs in their chutes after playing USNF `97.
15 posted on 11/12/2003 6:53:59 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: hchutch
Paging Mr. Xander Cage...
16 posted on 11/12/2003 6:56:21 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: dead
"Kill the Guy with the Ball"?

You're showing you (young) age.

That game is well known by any 8 year old boy born prior to 1960 as "Smear the Queer". We meant about as much harm as Jeremy Shockey meant when he called Parcells a fag. It's a sports term for girly boy.

Oh wait.

My brain hurts.

Out.
17 posted on 11/12/2003 6:56:48 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: hchutch
"He also wants video games banned because he believes that they're destroying education.......come on Dick, it's the only education we got."
18 posted on 11/12/2003 6:59:17 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Quick1
If I was the lawyer on this case, I'd want the trial held in Littleton, Colorado.
19 posted on 11/12/2003 7:02:10 AM PST by gortklattu
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To: Poohbah
"Dick, you're a bad man, and you know what we do to bad men? We punish them."
20 posted on 11/12/2003 7:02:31 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: kinghorse
Hey, I was born in 1969...we still played Smear the Queer.
21 posted on 11/12/2003 7:03:42 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: hchutch
"You're about to enter...the Xander Zone."

"OK, coming in hot with a side of bacon!"
22 posted on 11/12/2003 7:03:57 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: joesnuffy
garbage in garbage out

Yup. Where did that garbage come from?

23 posted on 11/12/2003 7:07:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (Pittsburgh beat Virginia Tech 31-28. Panthers rule!!".)
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To: Quick1
Best Reply of the day!
24 posted on 11/12/2003 7:08:59 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: kinghorse
Wow! I'm young!

You're right though. I played "Kill the Guy with the Ball" in the seventies. "Smear the Queer" is definitely a funnier name.

25 posted on 11/12/2003 7:10:31 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Being old as dirt... we called it "dodge ball" but we never used a chrysler! Honest!
26 posted on 11/12/2003 7:14:50 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: JoeSixPack1
"Dodge Ball" is a different game, where you throw a ball at somebody.

Kill the Guy with the Ball or Smear the Queer is when one kid has the ball and has to run for his life. If he's caught, he gets slammed to the ground and dog-piled. Then it's some other kid's turn.

27 posted on 11/12/2003 7:17:36 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
Being old as dirt... we called it "dodge ball" but we never used a chrysler! Honest!

I was supervising some kids at our church's 4th of July party, watching them play dodge ball.

I asked the pastor if there was a game called "Plymouth ball."

Ever see a guy in a Roman collar snorting Pepsi out his nose?

28 posted on 11/12/2003 7:19:22 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: freepatriot32
When will we get to see Grand Theft Auto: FRepublic Edition? Democrats coming at you with steel pipes, Clinton calling the shots behind the scene...
29 posted on 11/12/2003 7:25:53 AM PST by lelio
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To: freepatriot32
I grew up playing Chess. It didn't me want to take over other countries.

Wait a minute.... I'm a Jewish support of Bush in Iraq... Maybe it did. 8>)
30 posted on 11/12/2003 7:34:46 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: freepatriot32
anyone seen this version of GTA yet?


31 posted on 11/12/2003 8:12:07 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Poohbah
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! COOL! Then you get to play snortball!! :-)
32 posted on 11/12/2003 8:12:55 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: freepatriot32
GTA is a pointlessly violent game, with absolutely no redeeming value. Random shooting, soliciting prostitutes, vandalism, and theft are not values that ought to be inculcated, and I fail to see the entertainment in experiencing them vicariously through a game.

Now, if you want a good video game, try Civilization III. My son plays it with me, and I use it as an opportunity to teach him about history. Plus, conquering the world is FUN!
33 posted on 11/12/2003 8:26:14 AM PST by LouD
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To: Terpfen
Several different magazines and online videogame sources have said "San Andreas" is rumored to be the title of the next game.
34 posted on 11/12/2003 8:28:53 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: dead
...one kid has the ball and has to run for his life. If he's caught, he gets slammed to the ground and dog-piled.

Ah memories of wholesome knee shredding, elbo popping, blackeye the next day, fun!! :-)

35 posted on 11/12/2003 8:32:27 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: LanPB01
I just got the GTA double-pack for Xbox and I have to say after a long hard day of work plus night school, it's alot of fun. I have to wait til the woman goes to sleep to play , but then, she can't stand video games of any type. What can I say, it's my only vice. Hard not to think about flying around corners on a superbike and carjacking Lamborginis when you're stuck in traffic the next morning.
36 posted on 11/12/2003 8:35:04 AM PST by Callahan
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To: LouD
GTA has the most accurate car movement engines out there, you can ignore the plot and just have a great time driving.

I played a game and a half of Civ3, boooooring. To each his own.
37 posted on 11/12/2003 8:37:26 AM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: freepatriot32
Well it's a good thing I play counter-strike I guess...nothing like laying the hurt on a bunch of terrorists.


38 posted on 11/12/2003 8:37:29 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Callahan
I bought a used PS2 just so I could play Vice City. I sold it as soon as I found out an XBox version was on the way.
39 posted on 11/12/2003 8:41:04 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: JoeSixPack1
Show some respect, young'un - I discovered Dirt.
40 posted on 11/12/2003 8:41:30 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: dead
I ate my own brain after watching "Hannibal."

But did you eat your liver with a side of fava beans?

41 posted on 11/12/2003 8:53:55 AM PST by wi jd
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To: Quick1
Watching the movie Entrapment made me want to....slap Catherine Zeta-Jones' ass.

Get in line.

42 posted on 11/12/2003 10:25:34 AM PST by lowbridge (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. -Mr. Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati)
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To: Quick1
This case will get laughed out of court.

Unless the case was brought before an activist judge (and plaintiff's lawyers generally want this to happen).

43 posted on 11/12/2003 10:34:03 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Well it's a good thing I play counter-strike I guess...nothing like laying the hurt on a bunch of terrorists.

Ever since I started playing CS, I have been feeling strange urges to go to the desert and blow up some crates.

44 posted on 11/12/2003 10:34:55 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: freepatriot32
I think with me it all began with Pong. Or maybe not - Mom always did say that anyone who played pinball was going to become a J.D.

Hey, anyone remember "J.D.?"

45 posted on 11/12/2003 10:52:47 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dead
I went to Mars to shoot some Demons after playing Doom.
46 posted on 11/12/2003 10:54:08 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: freepatriot32
GTA3 is boring.
You really want a cool game, play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault.
Now that's a game worth playing 18 hours a day for as many days as it takes you to finish.
47 posted on 11/12/2003 10:57:41 AM PST by Oschisms (Can I get an editor? If not a semicolon would help!)
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To: Terpfen
San Andreas (Which is based on San Francisco I think) was one of the cities in the first game. Liberty City and Vice City were also in the first game so some folks are thinking there's a pattern here.

I've also heard that it will be Sin City, which is based on Las Vegas. At any rate it sounds like it will be set in the Western US. Or maybe not.
48 posted on 11/12/2003 11:10:06 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: dead
The games were nothing compared to some of the songs elementary school kids would sing.

(To the tune of the Joy To the World)

Joy to the World
The school is burned down
The teachers are all dead

We're looking for the principal
He's hanging on the flagpole
With a rope around his neck
With a rope around his neck
With a rope around his neck

..or how about

Glory, glory hallelujah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
Shot her with a .44
and she fell to the floor
and she ain't our teacher no more

49 posted on 11/12/2003 11:14:04 AM PST by dfwgator (All I want for Christmas is for Ron Zook to stay as head coach (at least till next year))
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To: freepatriot32
Video games have destroyed me.

I smash bricks with my head in the hopes that gold coins will fall out.

I eat every flower I see, but they've never given me the power to throw fireballs. They just made me sick.

The same goes for mushrooms. None of them have made me grow 3x in size.

I have been arrested countless times for throwing large turtles at people.
50 posted on 11/12/2003 11:40:49 AM PST by GETMAIN
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