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$350,000 Bid Wins Gun Fatal to Jesse James
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | November 12, 2003 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 11/12/2003 7:55:30 AM PST by Scenic Sounds

ANAHEIM – The gun that killed outlaw Jesse James sold at auction for $350,000.

The .44-caliber Smith & Wesson was purchased Monday by an out-of-state absentee bidder who requested anonymity, said Brian Maize, spokesman for Little John's Antique Arms Inc., which organized the auction.

The gun attracted more than 20 bidders.

Maize said the top bid was a record for a Western history firearm. The previous high was the $240,000 paid in 1998 for a pistol used by outlaw "Blackjack" Ketchum.

Bob Ford, a late recruit to James' gang of bank, train and stagecoach robbers, killed James April 3, 1882, in St. Joseph, Mo. The nickel-finished revolver was made about 1875.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; jessejames
"It was Robert Ford, that dirty little coward,
I wonder how he did feel,
For he ate of Jesse's bread, and he slept in Jesse's bed,
Then he laid poor Jesse in his grave."

1 posted on 11/12/2003 7:55:31 AM PST by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
Ford shot James in the back of the head and his pistol sells for $350,000. Charles Whitman shot >30 folks from the Clock Tower at the University of Texas and his rifles just sold for less than a $1000. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I wouldn't want either one of those weapons.
2 posted on 11/12/2003 8:00:56 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Scenic Sounds
Little John's has some awesome gun auctions.
3 posted on 11/12/2003 8:02:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Scenic Sounds
Robert Ford was indeed a dirty coward. I wouldn't want the gun.
4 posted on 11/12/2003 8:04:19 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: Scenic Sounds
The "Smith & Wesson" revolver????!!!!!!!

Robert Ford used a .44 caliber Colt SAA "Peacemaker" revolver with a 7 12" barrel to shoot Jesse James and it was not nickel-plated.

"Caviat Emptor"

5 posted on 11/12/2003 8:22:50 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Robert Ford used a .44 caliber Colt SAA "Peacemaker" revolver with a 7 12" barrel to shoot Jesse James and it was not nickel-plated.

"Caviat Emptor"

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! ;-)

6 posted on 11/12/2003 8:24:30 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (A veces, la locura reside tan cerca como una peca mera.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Heh, I've got the noose that Hitler used to hang himself. I'm selling it for $1 Million (minimum).

Let the bidding begin!!!!!!!

7 posted on 11/12/2003 8:26:50 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Heh, I've got the noose that Hitler used to hang himself. I'm selling it for $1 Million (minimum).

Wow! Would you be willing to trade it for the Papermate ballpoint he was never going to use to sign a peace treaty with us? ;-)

8 posted on 11/12/2003 8:31:09 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (A veces, la locura reside tan cerca como una peca mera.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
There is a story that in the 1960s, a Japanese business man bought the knife used by Hideki Tojo to commit sucide after the war ended. He bought it from a "US Army veteran" in the US and paid $50,000.

He returned to Japan with this "historical artifact" only to discover that had Tojo shot himself.

9 posted on 11/12/2003 8:39:05 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: glock rocks
Are You spending the kids allowance again?
10 posted on 11/12/2003 8:50:19 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Scenic Sounds
"Jesse had a wife
She's a mourner all her life,
Her children they are brave;
Oh! the dirty little coward
who shot Mister Howard
And laid Jesse in his grave."

11 posted on 11/12/2003 9:37:41 AM PST by Jaxter ("When they come for your guns, give 'em your ammo first.")
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To: Scenic Sounds
A hobby I picked up coming to North America is Western History- American style. I pored over a bunch of old Western magazines (no value though) and thought (if not assuming to much) the "rest of the story".

I read that in the rip roaring boom town of Crede, Colorado, the "dirty little coward" made his way. He tried to corner the market on saloons. Pretty near did too. A fire broke out and destroyed the town. Who pops up and quick next two days but the "dirty little coward"- he ran a beer tent- photographs exist.

A fellow just waltzed in and blew him apart with a shotgun. As to the weapon. Hopefully the buyer has authentication. What a piece of history it is- if the original

12 posted on 11/12/2003 9:59:49 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Scenic Sounds
The gun that killed outlaw Jesse James sold at auction for $350,000.

The GUN sniper type terrorist assault weapon that KILLED murdered OUTLAW innocent child Jesse James sold at AUCTION gun show loophole for $350,000 terrorist funded dollars.

13 posted on 11/12/2003 10:12:35 AM PST by lowbridge (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. -Mr. Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati)
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To: Scenic Sounds
One reason I don't drive Fords. :^)
14 posted on 11/12/2003 11:19:00 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: *bang_list
Bang
15 posted on 11/12/2003 11:21:33 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: #3Fan
One reason I don't drive Fords. :^)

The real test is how you feel about Lincolns.

16 posted on 11/12/2003 11:33:38 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (A veces, la locura reside tan cerca como una peca mera.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
lincoln was sitting in a ford when he was shot...

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17 posted on 11/12/2003 12:08:01 PM PST by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
lincoln was sitting in a ford when he was shot...

Very good! Post of the day! ;-)

18 posted on 11/12/2003 12:10:36 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (A veces, la locura reside tan cerca como una peca mera.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
The real test is how you feel about Lincolns.

Now I'm torn. Pro A. Lincoln but anti-R. Ford. hmmm... :^)

19 posted on 11/12/2003 12:27:40 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Robert Ford used a .44 caliber Colt SAA "Peacemaker"

Are you sure? There's a hell of a lot of difference between the Colt SAA and the Smith and Wesson 1st Model American or the 3rd Model Russian .44's.

20 posted on 11/12/2003 12:48:26 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
New Model Smith and Wesson .44 Russian (replica from navy Arms)


21 posted on 11/12/2003 12:51:23 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
The 1875 Smith and Wesson Schofield was cahmbered in .44-40., among other calibers.


22 posted on 11/12/2003 12:56:05 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Nickel plated Smith and Wesson Model 2 with a shortened barrel from 1875.


23 posted on 11/12/2003 12:58:20 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
I believe the Schofield was only chambered in .45 S&W caliber.
24 posted on 11/12/2003 1:08:08 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Robert Ford used a .44 caliber Colt SAA "Peacemaker" revolver...

I think you're right. I have a book at home that shows Ford holding a Colt "Frontier Model" (as they were originaly called) and the caption says that it was the revolvwer used to kill James.

25 posted on 11/12/2003 1:12:42 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: Inyo-Mono
Robert Ford used a .44 caliber Colt SAA "Peacemaker" revolver... I think you're right. I have a book at home that shows Ford holding a Colt "Frontier Model" (as they were originaly called) and the caption says that it was the revolvwer used to kill James.

It's the Time Life series on the Old West. It shows Robert Ford holding a SAA Colt in his left hand (he's sitting in the photo). THAT book claims that he was posing with the gun he used to pop Jesse James in the back of the head. The book could be wrong (it's Time Life, after all), but it does claim that that's the gun. In any event, I'd want documented proof, before I paid big $$$$ for anything like that.

I own a Remmington Pepperbox .32 derringer that was made in the early 1870s. MAN, if only it could talk!!! The damn thing still fires .32 rimfire rounds that have not been made since the 1920s. I have a box of .32 rimfire "shorts".

26 posted on 11/12/2003 1:46:33 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
I own a Remmington Pepperbox .32 derringer that was made in the early 1870s. MAN, if only it could talk!!! The damn thing still fires .32 rimfire rounds that have not been made since the 1920s. I have a box of .32 rimfire "shorts".

Whatever you do, don't fire smokeless rounds in it, it will come apart. I used to have an old Smith & Wesson No.2 Army form 1868 that fired .32 rimfire.

27 posted on 11/12/2003 2:00:59 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: Scenic Sounds
Oddly worded headline. I wonder if the San Diego Union-Tribune has some sort of prohibition against putting the word "killed" in headlines. The first sentence in the article's body says "the gun that killed Jesse James" which would be the more natural way of putting it. On the other hand, saying that a gun killed someone is an anthropomorphism along the lines of those SUV stories that Rush likes to point out.
28 posted on 11/12/2003 2:11:25 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Inyo-Mono
Whatever you do, don't fire smokeless rounds in it, it will come apart. I used to have an old Smith & Wesson No.2 Army form 1868 that fired .32 rimfire.

I made the gun dealer test fire it with .32 rimfire shorts (it worked fine). They sold it as a shooter thinking that I couldn't find .32 rimfire rounds (idiots). It's actually chambered for .32 rimrire "longs" (black powder, of course). I have 10 rounds of .32 rimfire "longs" and about 100 .32 rimfire "shorts". I was thinking of having a friend re-load them with black powder, so I could fire the short rounds, while keeping the longs.

In any event, an antique gun that can be proven to fire is worth more than a mere relic. I kept the 4 spent .32 rimfire "short" casings.

29 posted on 11/12/2003 2:11:29 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: Yardstick
You're right, it is a little awkward. Maybe they have a policy that headlines never use the word "killed" immediately following the word "gun." It's a pretty conservative paper. ;-)
30 posted on 11/12/2003 2:15:53 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (A veces, la locura reside tan cerca como una peca mera.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
"They did it for Dixie and nothing else"

...well besides the money that is.
31 posted on 11/12/2003 2:16:55 PM PST by wardaddy (we must crush our enemies and make them fear us and sap their will to fight....all 2 billion of them)
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To: Scenic Sounds
LOL...very good..
32 posted on 11/12/2003 2:18:38 PM PST by wardaddy (we must crush our enemies and make them fear us and sap their will to fight....all 2 billion of them)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Maybe they have a policy that headlines never use the word "killed" immediately following the word "gun".

I'll bet that's what it is. Besides being a grammar goof, saying "a gun killed" feeds into the notion that gun crime is a "things" issue rather than a "people" issue, and conservatives know this isn't the case. So kudos to them for their policy (...if that's what it is).

33 posted on 11/12/2003 2:25:46 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me; Inyo-Mono; 45Auto
http://slickaz.tripod.com/amopist.htm

for old cartridges for old (no ATF bullshite required) firearms...courtesy of Inyo Mono a few months back.
34 posted on 11/12/2003 2:28:16 PM PST by wardaddy (we must crush our enemies and make them fear us and sap their will to fight....all 2 billion of them)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
You are right about antiques. I have an 1897 Iver Johnson .38 in near mint condition. Works perfectly and I fire it often (with black powder rounds). Plus if a gun is 1898 or older it is not considered a "firearm" by the Feds; no paperwork!
35 posted on 11/12/2003 2:28:58 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: 45Auto
For Jesse James, death came at the hand of one of his own gang members in 1882. Jesse had laid his pistol and cartridge belt to one side and then decided a picture on the wall needed to be straightened. While Jesse stood on a stool and adjusted the picture, Bob Ford pulled his .45 from under his coat and shot Jesse.  As he swayed and toppled from the stool, Bob Ford must have realized that his life would be worth nothing if Jesse were to live, so he pumped four more shots into him. Jesse fell, gripping his back and his chest in the agony of death as the .45s tore into his body.

It is alleged that a new model No. 3 Smith & Wesson .44 Cal. Russian was the weapon used by Robert Ford to kill Jesse James. According to Joseph Rosa in Guns of the American West, a sworn affidavit by Robert Ford indicated that he used a single action .45 Colt Peacemaker, SN 50432.

36 posted on 11/13/2003 12:47:24 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me

I agree because I’m the great great nephew of Robert ford and I am trying to find this gun so help find this gun


37 posted on 12/31/2014 11:08:31 AM PST by familiars
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