Universal National Service Act of 2003

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[freeeee]

But this country needs people 'indoctrinated' in constitutional knowledge and self defense.

Gaining of constitutional knowledge? That's kind of funny considering how very clear they make it that once you're in the military, the Constitution no longer applies to you.

I object to the notion that the government should be indoctrinating anyone. We rule it, we tell it how it will be, not the other way around. It exists to serve us and for no other reason.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Slavery is not defined by compensation. It is solely contingent upon its involuntary nature.

Who's compelling you to live, against your will, in the greatest nation ever created? Very selfish to stomp your feet and screech about your rights and freedoms, while bitching and whining about actually having to defend and guarantee them. But don't worry, there are lots of decent men and women who do that for you, and fully understand that you take their sacrifices for granted.

You remind me of some of the a-holes I saw on some TV show in the days after 9/11. They were interviewing some college kids in Manhattan and with very few exceptions, they all looked down their coked-up noses at the thought of actually getting their hands dirty by defending this nation. One had the 'nads to say that unlike those in the military, he has hopes and dreams, and didn't want to do anything (as in protect and defend this country) that might interfere with his vaunted "future." You're no better than he is.

Oh, and your tagline is hypocrisy as it most nauseating.

[CholeraJoe]

There are those on this forum and elsewhere who consider military service both an honor and a privilege. Your opinions are meaningless to us.

[NYC GOP Chick]

To me, this makes perfect sense. I can tell you now, I love and respect my country just as much as anyone here, and I appreciate those who chose to serve the same, but just speaking for me, since for so long I have had ambitions of starting the career path that I have set out for myself, I would be an unmotivated soldier. I don't know if being forced into service would create a feeling of resentment towards my government, but it would make me feel as if all that I have been working toward would have been for naught.

What an elitist attitude! Yep, you're so *special* because you go to college and have dreams, so it's best to leave the dirty work to those without your putative brains and dreams.

You're not the only one who has hopes and dreams -- but the difference is that those who serve have a sense of duty and patriotism that you just don't even begin to comprehend. Others who don't ask for anything in return for defending the freedoms that effete snobs like you take for granted.

With that attitude, you're in for a major bitch-slapping from reality once you graduate.

[freeeee]

Who's compelling you to live, against your will, in the greatest nation ever created?

I was born here, its my birthright. But don't worry, if it keeps going the way it is, I'll leave.

while bitching and whining about actually having to defend and guarantee them

I see lots of battles won, and every day we're less free than the day before. Bagdad fell. Is gun control repealed? Is CFR gone? Is government any smaller, taxes lower? Are there no more roadblocks, any less asset forfeiture, the end of no knock raids? No. We could conquer the whole world and our own government will still enslave us. The real fight for freedom is to be had right here at home at the ballot box and in the courts.

and your tagline is hypocrisy as it most nauseating

What is it you object to? Free speech?

[tpaine]

AndyObermann wrote: Ok, I would be under this legislation's age range (I'm 21), and I don't necessarily agree with it. The reason is not that I don't want to serve my country, however, the reason is that I'm almost finished with college, and am about to begin a career.

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See #37.. -- The obligation could be required of ~everyone~ after high school and before college, say between 18 to 20..

Much like the Swiss & Israli's do it now..

[NYC GOP Chick]

And if any fool invades this country, I'll gladly give my all including my life if need be defending it.

Perhaps you slept in on the morning of 9/11/01, but we were most definitely attacked on our own soil. But don't get all bent out of shape over that...

[NYC GOP Chick]

Nah, I object to hypocrites who like to pontificate about "fighting for our rights," but run away as soon as it's time to put up.

[CholeraJoe]

the reason is that I'm almost finished with college, and am about to begin a career. By being forced into service, those ambitions would be quickly dashed.

Boo-frickin'-hoo. We've got national cemetaries full of brave men and women who valued their freedom enough to defend it with their lives. What makes you so special?

[AndyObermann]

Look, there's no need to get hostile. I'm not trying to be elitist or anything of the sort. Let me tell you something...I work here at my college part time, I work at a resturant part time, and I have an ass-load of student loans that I have taken out...all to pay for my education. I have invested as much as I possibly can into finishing. No one from my family has ever gone to, or let alone graduated from college and by being forced into this, it would put an end to those goals.

I'm just coming out with my honest opinion on the matter. If you don't like it, too bad. I would be willing to bet that a good deal of these people would change their tune when and if this actually came to fruition.

[NYC GOP Chick]

But, but, but...he's in *college* and has career plans all mapped out!!! Imagine that...

[CholeraJoe]

Are there no more roadblocks, any less asset forfeiture, the end of no knock raids?

Ohhh. Now I get it. You're a doper, right?

[JohnGalt]

I am beside myself to see a trusted libertarian support national service garbage.

Why would the military and compulsory service be any better than the disaster that is public education in teaching the populace to love liberty?

[freeeee]

Perhaps you slept in on the morning of 9/11/01

I wasn't on a highjacked flight, if that's what you mean. If I was I would have fought.

I object to hypocrites who like to pontificate about "fighting for our rights," but run away as soon as it's time to put up

All the infringements on your freedom of speech come from right here at home. Joining the military isn't going to change that. In case you hadn't noticed, it isn't Saddam who tells you not to advertise 60 days before an election or go to jail.

[AndyObermann]

SO, calm down and realize that I am only one opinion, but there are plenty who agree with me.

FYI: The majority of those who fought and died for their country did so voluntarily, and they have nothing but respect from me. But, there was no "draft", as we commonly refer to it, before before 1948 and it ended in 1973.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Yeesh. You just don't get it. You're not the first person to have dreams and to (allegedly) work hard toward achieving them.

Both my father and uncle made it through college and medical school without loans, but with scholarships, savings and working, and yet both found ways to fulfill their military obligations to this country without adversely affecting their careers. Hell, my uncle was drafted and spent the better part of 2 years half a world away from his medical training in the early 1970s. Yet he still managed to keep his career going once he was done. Was it something he wanted to do? No, but he did it with pride and honor. And he was never an "unmotivated soldier," as you threaten to be.

You're a metrosexual, aren't you?

[NYC GOP Chick]

It takes a real special case to equate being savagely attacked by islamofascist terrorists with dopey campaign finance laws.

[freeeee]

No. I care about freedom. I suppose to you that would appear to be an altered state of mind.

[CholeraJoe]

I graduated from college completely debt free. Didn't cost my parents a cent, either. It was a program called Reserve Officers Training Corps. It got me a free college education and a commission in the world's mightiest Air Force.

[CholeraJoe]

I care so much about freedom that I was willing to defend it with my life. No one could care more.