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Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)
anncoulter.org ^ | 11/13/03 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 11/13/2003 2:27:19 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat

IN THE CURRENT battle over whether to remove the feeding tube from Florida woman Terri Schiavo, the basic positions are:

The only thing everyone seems to agree on is that the husband is creepy. Terri's parents are fighting like mad to keep Terri alive. The husband, Michael Schiavo, is living with another woman with whom he has one child and is expecting another. Yet he has mounted a monumental crusade to have Terri's feeding tube removed.

Terri is not brain-dead and requires no extraordinary means to be kept alive. She is breathing, her heart is pumping, her organs are functioning. All she needs is food and water. (Of course, all three are technically true of Kate Moss, too.) But her husband wants to starve her to death. As Larry King asked him, why not "walk away"?

That is the eternal mystery of this case. Assuming everything Michael says about Terri is true – she has no consciousness, she will never recover, and she would not want to live with feeding tubes – well, then, she's not in pain, bored, angry or upset. Dennis Kucinich has been in a persistent vegetative state for 20 years – how about not feeding him? Why is Michael Schiavo so obsessed with pulling Terri's feeding tube? Why can't he just walk away?

Michael's answer to Larry King was this: "Why should I, Larry? This is Terri's wish. This is Terri's choice." As King pointed out, Terri's alleged "wish" was not memorialized anywhere in writing, only in Michael's memory. Michael responded to this point by invoking the courts: "It's been decided for six years of litigation that this was Terri's wish."

I note that "six years of litigation" is not enough to end the lives of child-molesting serial killers on death row. The same people who want to kill Terri believe that death-row cases are never final, no matter how many courts and juries have spoken over how many decades.

Moreover, it's not as if court after court has heard testimony on Terri's wishes and have all unanimously agreed that Terri would have chosen death. One lone Florida circuit court judge, George Greer, credited Michael's testimony, finding "clear and convincing" evidence that Terri said she would not want to be kept alive on feeding tubes. Because Judge Greer was acting as the finder of fact, his finding is essentially unreviewable by any other court. Even the notorious Florida Supreme Court – which has a history of jumping in to try to save a dead man – refused to review the case.

Judge Greer's finding on Terri's wishes may be immune from legal review, but it's not immune from criticism. He's a finder of fact – he's not God. A few years ago, Judge Greer found that Helene Ball McGee did not have reasonable cause to believe domestic violence was imminent and denied her an order of protection. Two weeks later, Mrs. McGee was stabbed to death by her husband. So judges can make mistakes.

Judge Greer's pivotal "finding of fact" in the Schiavo case determining a life-or-death issue is based on something Terri allegedly said after watching a TV show. Michael didn't know his wife was bulimic, but he distinctly remembered Terri's remarks about a TV show. (It was an episode of "Melrose Place," during which she said that Heather Locklear's shoes were "to die for.")

After watching "Bambi," I'm against deer hunting. Then I go out the next day and order venison. Maybe we could have a higher standard of proof before the government orders a woman to die.

Despite Michael's insistence that he has a vivid memory of Terri expressing her wishes regarding death, note this exchange on "Larry King Live":

KING: I have a 35-year-old daughter. I've never asked her this question. I don't know if she has a living will. I hope she does. But if she doesn't, I don't know the answer to the question. Because most 35-year-olds, I guess, don't talk about it.

SCHIAVO: Nobody talks about death, Larry.

Michael apparently forgot to add – except for that one night I remember so clearly, Larry, when my wife, Terri, talked to me about death and expressed her firmly held desire not to be kept alive on a feeding tube.

If you start making damning admissions on "Larry King Live" – with your lawyer sitting next to you, no less – you have a problem. Larry King can interview Louis Farrakhan and make him look like a charmer.

As even the New York Times admits, Michael did not recall Terri's clearly stated desire to be taken off life support until after the million-dollar settlement was paid, most of it going for Terri's medical costs – and the remainder to her husband.

What offhand comments might Terri have made if she had read in the Baltimore Sun about Rod Brandner, who indicated that he was coming out of a coma by squeezing his son's hand in response to questions less than two hours before his life support system was to be turned off?

Or what if she had read the Associated Press news story on Chris Trickle, who lost 5 percent of his brain when he was shot in the head, but later came out of a nine-month coma to breathe on his own, eat three meals a day, and tell his girlfriend he loved her?

What would Terri have said after hearing that Gregory Dygas' mother refused to believe the doctors' assurances that Gregory was brain-dead and should be taken off life support, and six months later watched as Gregory sat up, talked and watched television?

What offhand remarks might Terri have made after reading about Terry Wallis, the Canadian man who just last summer awoke from a 19-year coma?

Or how about that case in Minnesota last year where the guy who'd been in a coma for decades suddenly reappeared and ran for Senate? What was his name? Walter Mondale?

(Note for the record: I want heroic measures taken to keep me alive, and I demand the immediate arrest of anyone trying to remove my life support.)

In the absence of a living will, I would think the courts ought to be erring on the side of life. But short of that, couldn't we at least all agree that the courts should not defer to the pull-the-plug demands from anyone who:

  1. expresses an unseemly enthusiasm for another person's death;
  2. was the only person present when the incident leading to the persistent vegetative state occurred;
  3. stands to make money off the person's death; or
  4. is wearing a "W.W.C.V.B.D.?" (what would Claus von Bulow do?) bracelet?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coulter; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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1 posted on 11/13/2003 2:27:20 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Ongoing thread here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021020/posts
2 posted on 11/13/2003 2:32:54 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Heh heh heh... ah, Anne. Queen Anne of the Americas.
3 posted on 11/13/2003 2:36:10 PM PST by wizardoz ("SERENITY NOW!!!")
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Seethingly to the point as usual.
4 posted on 11/13/2003 2:38:33 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
What we like about Ann is how she so often writes what we are thinking, but don't have her gift for putting into words in the way she does.

Whatta Gal! Whatta writer.

God bless her.
5 posted on 11/13/2003 2:46:40 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you can't laugh at yourself, you have no sense of humor.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
I knew it was Anne, not Ann. Sorry.
6 posted on 11/13/2003 2:48:15 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you can't laugh at yourself, you have no sense of humor.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Please, someone, explain:

is wearing a "W.W.C.V.B.D.?" (what would Claus von Bulow do?) bracelet?

I also think Ann Coulter has been lurking here. She combed through and found the very best of our arguments and THEN sold a column full of 'em.

Vivat, Ann!
7 posted on 11/13/2003 2:48:55 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Note for the record: I want heroic measures taken to keep me alive, and I demand the immediate arrest of anyone trying to remove my life support - yea me too!
8 posted on 11/13/2003 2:49:00 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
BTW - where are the pics!
9 posted on 11/13/2003 2:49:57 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: All
There are rules, you know. Post'em if you got'em.
10 posted on 11/13/2003 2:54:31 PM PST by BadAndy
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Larry King can interview Louis Farrakhan and make him look like a charmer. -Ann Coulter

Yeah, but when he interviewed Ann Coulter, he looked like Bela Lugosi passing a kidney stone.

11 posted on 11/13/2003 3:02:05 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Recovering_Democrat
And then there was this creepy guy that somehow, miraculously, popped out of a lifelong coma just long enough to shake his fnger at the camera while he declare these words on a national televised news program:

"I never, ever, had sexual intercourse with that woman... Monica Lewinski!"

Then he immediately slipped back into his lifelong coma !!! ;-))

.

12 posted on 11/13/2003 3:15:50 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: BadAndy


13 posted on 11/13/2003 3:32:47 PM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; sweetliberty
PING!! Ann Coulter speaks out about Terri Schindler
14 posted on 11/13/2003 3:36:35 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"..he looked like Bela Lugosi passing a kidney stone."

That's a snorter! You do paint a picture with words.
15 posted on 11/13/2003 3:43:40 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: TaxRelief; floriduh voter
Ping to Anne Coulter re Terri Schiavo.
16 posted on 11/13/2003 3:51:13 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Thanks for posting this. I got a laugh out of it, even though the subject matter is grim.
17 posted on 11/13/2003 4:00:10 PM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: Recovering_Democrat
A few years ago, Judge Greer found that Helene Ball McGee did not have reasonable cause to believe domestic violence was imminent and denied her an order of protection. Two weeks later, Mrs. McGee was stabbed to death by her husband.

This judge is a serial killer!

18 posted on 11/13/2003 4:27:35 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Annies six shooter is smoking again.

SHe does have a gift for cutting to the chase. LOL

19 posted on 11/13/2003 4:43:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Ann properly describes the exclusive control that Judge Greer maintains over the life of Terri Schiavo, a point ignored by too many on this forum who insist that his decisions have been "reviewed" by other courts and judges. His legal opinions have been reviewed, but his critical findings of fact NEVER have been.

This man - this fallible, incapable, selfish man - held Terri Schiavo's life in his hands with a terrible tenacity, until Governor Bush and the Florida Legislature recognized the fatal flaw in existing legislation in this area and took steps to correct it.

But more terrible than Judge Greer's stubborn self- righteousness has been his refusal to recuse himself due to his physical inability to consider all of the evidence in this case. George Greer is visually impaired, to the degree that he is unable to obtain a driver's license. But Terri Schiavo is unable to communicate either verbally or in writing. All that she can do to indicate her mental presence is to look, gesture, and show her face - all completely beyond the ken of this inadequate judge who continues to try to kill her, perhaps to avoid the embarassment of his own failure NOT to act.

Defeat at the polls would be inadequate for his arrogance. He ought to be impeached and removed, immediately, and every other judge ought to take a proper lesson in public SERVICE instead of public arrogance.
20 posted on 11/13/2003 4:56:32 PM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Note for the record: I want heroic measures taken to keep me alive, and I demand the immediate arrest of anyone trying to remove my life support - yea me too!

me too.

21 posted on 11/13/2003 4:58:06 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: sarasmom
I love Anne. She is so funny. Thank God she has written something about this situation. I wonder if Rush will touch on it when he gets back.
22 posted on 11/13/2003 5:01:20 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: carenot
Me, too!
23 posted on 11/13/2003 5:02:07 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
OK, so remove his tube, but do so very carefully.

Otherwise, we'll all be cleaning up $#!t until Thanksgiving day....

24 posted on 11/13/2003 5:23:10 PM PST by tracer
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To: Recovering_Democrat
It sounds like that judge is making judgments on the side of dying rather than living. Why does he want people to die?
25 posted on 11/13/2003 5:27:46 PM PST by freekitty
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To: MainFrame65
"George Greer is visually impaired, to the degree that he is unable to obtain a driver's license."

This, and related things, I did not know. This was a very informative thread, thanks to all.

My living will is also going to say DO ALL within reason to save me. And I hope my iron-willed friend will agree to be my proxy. She might not agree with my desires, but she'd go to her death to see my wishes done, like the fine American she is.
26 posted on 11/13/2003 5:34:24 PM PST by jocon307 (New tagline coming soon)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; ..
THANK YOU ANNIE!
27 posted on 11/13/2003 5:38:49 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: ChemistCat
Anne admits to lurking here. She was interviewed a few months ago on Radio FR, talking about her book. She also said "FReepers are great."
28 posted on 11/13/2003 5:45:32 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat
ping
29 posted on 11/13/2003 5:53:52 PM PST by chmst
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To: Blue Screen of Death
Oh ,I just knew she would chime in on this topic, I have been waiting. Thanks Ann, I love ya, I knew I could count on you!
30 posted on 11/13/2003 5:58:31 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Blue Screen of Death
Oh ,I just knew she would chime in on this topic, I have been waiting. Thanks Ann, I love ya, I knew I could count on you!
31 posted on 11/13/2003 5:58:47 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Ann's humor is (1) very dry; (2) very good!
32 posted on 11/13/2003 6:03:48 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: TaxRelief

I read the funniest thing about Ann Coulter. Someone asked her a question, no doubt to catch her off guard. The question was, have you ever seen two women having s-x?
Ann answered Well,she'd seen Katie Couric's interview with Hillery Clinton.
33 posted on 11/13/2003 6:04:45 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: MainFrame65
Amen to post #20!!
34 posted on 11/13/2003 6:16:47 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: zip
ping
35 posted on 11/13/2003 6:21:03 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: sweetliberty
"George Greer is visually impaired, to the degree that he is unable to obtain a driver's license."

He is also legally impaired. With so many grave infirmaties and disabilities, perhaps someone should be ordered to remove his food, too.

36 posted on 11/13/2003 6:21:11 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Wooooo-HOOOOOO!! Way to go Ann! Great Job!!!
37 posted on 11/13/2003 6:29:41 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Unlike fictional superhero dolls the Ann Coulter version has a real life counterpart that leaps into action with rapier wit and a keyboard.


38 posted on 11/13/2003 6:38:04 PM PST by xp38
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Michael Shivo doesn't care about Terri anymore, having moved on with his life, but he is hell bent to accommodate her so-called "wish" to die. I'm sure she also made it clear to him that she wouldn't want him living with another woman, and has he honored that wish? It's so blatently transparent.
39 posted on 11/13/2003 6:39:40 PM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The same people who want to kill Terri believe that death-row cases are never final, no matter how many courts and juries have spoken over how many decades.

As usual, Ann whacks the proverbial nail on the head.

40 posted on 11/13/2003 6:41:13 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign
Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign!

41 posted on 11/13/2003 6:47:14 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: ChemistCat
Claus vol Bulow allegedly tried to murder his socialite wife Sunny vol Bulow by injecting her with insulin, which put her into a coma. I'm pretty sure he got off-- and pretty much everyone was pretty sure he was guilty. I think his wife is still in a coma, and I think Claus did benefit financially.
42 posted on 11/13/2003 6:54:23 PM PST by walden
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To: Recovering_Democrat; sweetliberty
*BUMP!*

Thanks, sweetie. That was energizing.

It is easy to get lost in the emotion and wrongness of Terri's case. How does Ann do this??? Summarized the whole case in one neat and scathing essay, complete with her own legally binding (I assume) "living will". Aren't we fortunate she's on our side? *g*

43 posted on 11/13/2003 6:58:30 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong" ~RReagan)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
LOL Ann is right on point and pithy to boot!

44 posted on 11/13/2003 6:59:08 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
" Aren't we fortunate she's on our side?"

Amen to that!

I still want to see her neuter George Felos on national TV though. Heheh..

45 posted on 11/13/2003 7:00:56 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: MeeknMing; dansangel
Have ya'll seen this?
46 posted on 11/13/2003 7:02:15 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"Aren't we fortunate she's on our side?"

YES.

47 posted on 11/13/2003 7:02:59 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: BushCountry
I love that top picture of her with the beer! I've never seen that one before... man, she looks like she'd be a blast to hang with! :)

Qwinn
48 posted on 11/13/2003 7:04:08 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: drlevy88
Ann said at our florida federated republican women's convention in st pete on nov 1, "that the dems have not been so bad they have only been wrong about two things foreign policy,and domestic policy". She was very excited when I told her about how I loved it when they talked about her on the free republic. She gyrated,and gesticulated when she said "OH ARE YOU A FREEPER?". She even autographed my copy of her book slander, and wrote Best wishes to a fellow freeper. Fantastic!!!!!!!
49 posted on 11/13/2003 7:04:13 PM PST by samantha (Don't panic, the adults are in charge)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I'm all for any support we can get for Terri...but even Ann got it wrong

As even the New York Times admits, Michael did not recall Terri's clearly stated desire to be taken off life support until after the million-dollar settlement was paid, most of it going for Terri's medical costs – and the remainder to her husband.

Where is the outrage now??

50 posted on 11/13/2003 7:08:48 PM PST by Krodg
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