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THUMBS DOWN ON TRAITOR POLLARD
New York Post ^ | 11/14/03 | AP

Posted on 11/13/2003 11:29:28 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 11/13/2003 11:29:28 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks; yonif; Yehuda
I have to agree. I consider Israel one of America's best friends, but it's not up to individual Americans to express that friendship via bypassing security and giving away state secrets.
2 posted on 11/13/2003 11:42:48 PM PST by risk
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To: risk
The sentence was unprecedented. It's a matter of comparison to other sentences given by the U.S. Spies who have truly compromised U.S. security by spying for U.S. enemies have been given much, much shorter sentences. No one has received the Draconian sentence which Pollard had. He cooperated fully and shared fully whatever he had done on a promise of a shorter sentence and was then double crossed by Casper Weinberger. Pollard gave information to a true friend of the U.S. (the only true friend out there), information which led to the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Iraq, a move which time has shown was a tremendous benefit to the U.S. and the world in forestalling Iraq's nuclear capability. On that basis alone, he should have been out of prison long, long ago. History will judge the U.S. poorly for prolonging his sentence and turning him from a prisoner into a political prisoner.
3 posted on 11/14/2003 12:08:25 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Pollard gave information to a true friend of the U.S. (the only true friend out there)

The United Kingdom is not a true friend? Australia is not a true friend? Huh?

Comparisons are meaningless. He spied. He should spend the rest of his life in jail.

Where's the hard proof that Cap Weinberger double crossed anyone? Where's the beef?

4 posted on 11/14/2003 12:19:16 AM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
It's a matter of comparison to other sentences given by the U.S. Spies who have truly compromised U.S. security by spying for U.S. enemies have been given much, much shorter sentences.

You've made a good point: we've been far too lenient on traitors in this country.

5 posted on 11/14/2003 12:56:49 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
<< .... we've been far too lenient on traitors in this country. >>

One of the worst in our nation's history having been recently elected to the United States' Senate from a North Eastern state and another, more recently, elected governor of a South Western one.
6 posted on 11/14/2003 2:22:36 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
History will judge the U.S. poorly for prolonging his sentence and turning him from a prisoner into a political prisoner

I agree. His sentence is not commensurate with those given to other more nefarious "spies".

7 posted on 11/14/2003 7:04:46 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Santini
No, that is patently inaccurate. Pollard has acknowleged and apologized for copying the documents; but it is an entirely different thing to claim that he sold out his country; only someone who considers Israel an enemy of the U.S. would say Pollard sold our his country; would that be you, Santini? Pollard, as events of the past decades have dramatically shown, harmed only the growing nuclear build-up of Saddam Hussein. Was that selling out the U.S.? Pollard's acts, which resulted in the destruction of the nuclear reactor of Saddam, have, in fact, been praised by U.S. military and security experts in the years following Pollard's lifesentence. They say that the U.S. itself had no reason not to share with Israel the key information about Iraqi plans to harm her. They say that Pollard achieved a very good thing for the U.S. when the Iraqi nuclear plant was destroyed. Pollard can not be put the the same category as those who did sell out their country and endanger agents by sharing classified info to enemies who wanted to and did use the info to harm the U.S.

9 posted on 11/16/2003 11:16:54 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Santini
Santini, spying surely is serious and not to be taken lightly, The question remains, however - how do you explain why Pollard alone has been the harshest sentence of any person who has committed this crime and why did the U.S. govt ignore the terms they offered Pollard in the plea bargain they offered Pollard for the full cooperation, which they got. Neither Pollard nor his first or second set of lawyers has ever been given the opportunity to this day to see the evidence on which he was sentenced; there has been no due course of justice in his case.
11 posted on 11/17/2003 11:22:34 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Pollard, as events of the past decades have dramatically shown, harmed only the growing nuclear build-up of Saddam Hussein

I've heard that Reagan's CIA director said that info filched by Pollard ended up with the Soviets. True? If so, shouldn't he be shot?

12 posted on 11/17/2003 11:28:27 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Pollard gave information to a true friend of the U.S. (the only true friend out there),

If Israel is the "only true friend" that the US has, why are there no Israeli troops in the coalition against Saddam? Why were there no Israeli troops fighting beside ours in Vietnam?

13 posted on 11/17/2003 11:33:56 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Did you not read widely that the last thing the U.S. wanted was Israel soldiers fighting in Iraq, since the U.S. felt that would inflame Islamofascist anti-semitism. Israel was ready, willing, and able to send troops. Israeli's newest technologies were in use by the U.S. and the coalition during this war; Israel does not withhold helpful information from their friend the U.S., since they share the same democratic, humanistic values and opposition to totalitarian regimes and vision of a peaceful, tolerant world.
14 posted on 11/17/2003 11:52:58 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Santini
The sentences of the others, for better or worse, have been the norm. Pollard was treated differently from all the rest. Why do you think the others who actually were anti-American got lightly sentences? Why do you think the book was thrown only at Pollard?
16 posted on 11/20/2003 8:54:57 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
I would happily be a member of the firing squad for Pollard.
He got off lightly, IMO.
He is never getting out of prison, and you best just get used to dealing with that immutable fact.
I dont care how much or how often you and your ignorant fellow travelors whine about it.


17 posted on 11/20/2003 9:37:36 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: sarasmom
The tactic of card carrying "fellow travellors" trying to divert attention from themselves by calling others "fellow travellors" is as ludicrous as it is transparent. Most Freepers are smart enough to see through the antiWest agenda.
20 posted on 11/24/2003 12:52:50 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Santini
And how much money did Pollard receive?
Santini claims clairvoyance in his description of Pollard. Does Santini know Pollard? He dislikes Pollard so much that he even says he knows what was in Pollard's head and he summarily discounts any motive on the part of Pollard but one. Let's stick to the facts. The fact that Pollard shared classified records is known; the fact that the country with which he shared the information was a friend of the U.S. is also known; the fact that only good for the West has come from the act has also come to be known as world events have evolved, since the destruction of the Iraqi nuclear facility came about as a result of Pollard's info. It is known that he broke the law. It is known that he has apologized for his choice and for his act. It is also known that he is paying a far greater price for breaking the law than those who have given info to U.S. enemies with harm to the U.S.
21 posted on 11/24/2003 1:15:44 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: kattracks
See:

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/info.htm The site is taking awhile to load, but worth waiting for.
22 posted on 11/24/2003 1:52:23 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
My thoughts too........
23 posted on 11/24/2003 2:23:32 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: kattracks
Good.
24 posted on 11/24/2003 2:37:58 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Santini
Oh my, we can see that Santini still does not understand what the concept of "fact" means. Santini answers my request that he stick to the facts by saying Pollard is "never getting out." It's Santini's wish that he never get out; whether he will or won't ever get out noone can say for sure. The word "fact," if Santini would look it up in a dictionary, means something that has already occurred or been done. Santini again believes he is clairvoyant. Who would think that not one, but two towers of the World Trade Center would be made to fall and in the way they did and by members of the human race. The point of the discussion that Santini keeps interrupting is that Pollard has served much, much more time for a much, much lesser offence than all others who have shared classified info. Whether or not this vastly disproportionate sentence derived from bias against Pollard and Israel would be a matter of opinion. That he has served much, much longer than anyone else is a matter of fact.
26 posted on 11/24/2003 9:37:02 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Arrangements will certainly be made to return Pollard to those who ask for him.
After his death.
If you wish to hasten that day, I have no problem at all with that particular goal.
It is overdue.


27 posted on 11/25/2003 4:51:51 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: sarasmom
The duo of Sarasmom and Santini keep hurling inventive, but avoid the topic - which is: Jonathan Pollard has been treated far more harshly than every other person in the U.S. who shared classified information, even though Jonathan shared the info with an ally and the rest shared with enemies bent on our destruction. Saracmom and Santini are thrilled that the Jew will rot. What about the rest of you?
28 posted on 11/25/2003 6:22:03 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Was he the consumate Jew?
What makes him different from the consumate Islamic?
Am I anti-semetic for calling for the ultimate punishment for the reprehensible crimes he was convicted of-because he was a "Jewish" traitor?
Do Jewish traitors get special allowances?
Or that he was nominally a Jew excuses him from punishment for violating his legal oathes of loyallty?
ZOT yourself.
As he did, when he turned traitor to his "sacred" oathes.
Oathes that are non-denominational, and binding.

.

29 posted on 11/25/2003 8:15:24 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: churchillbuff
If Churchill was so great why did his son kill himself?
30 posted on 11/25/2003 8:18:47 PM PST by bvw
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To: sarasmom
Treason is had with enemies, Pollard is no traitor.
31 posted on 11/25/2003 8:19:59 PM PST by bvw
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Nothing quite like the case of Pollard to separate the Jewish-Americans from the American Jews.
32 posted on 11/25/2003 8:26:07 PM PST by hunter112 (An American of Canadian descent, not a Canadian-American!)
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To: hunter112
Or to bring out the cockroaches of hate.
33 posted on 11/25/2003 8:29:55 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
You obviously dont know what you are talking about.
34 posted on 11/25/2003 8:31:39 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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Me and the CONSTITUTION know what WE are talking about. You?
35 posted on 11/25/2003 8:33:00 PM PST by bvw
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Jonathan Pollard has been treated far more harshly than every other person in the U.S. who shared classified information,

Do you belive the Rosenbergs might dispute this?

36 posted on 11/25/2003 8:35:02 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
belive = believe.

Egad.

37 posted on 11/25/2003 8:36:26 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill)
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To: bvw
Or to bring out the cockroaches of hate.

Nope, I only hate spies.

38 posted on 11/25/2003 8:37:40 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Pollard responded to the US official idiocy regarding Iraq. We are there now, at considerable expense beacuse of that official idiocy. If NOT for Pollard, our expense would be far, far greater.

Why? Because Iraq would have had the nukes it sought.

39 posted on 11/25/2003 8:39:28 PM PST by bvw
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Your statement: "...Jonathan Pollard has been treated far more harshly than every other person in the U.S. who shared classified information..." is not factually true. Please refer to the Rosenburgs (sp?) and their dalliance with nuclear secrets and what became of them.
40 posted on 11/25/2003 8:40:24 PM PST by jettester
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To: hunter112
Spies you say? Then hates okay. Any day!

As long as the spy is *jewish*, right?

If there's a short pier near you, near a stormy sea, would it trouble you to take a long walk?

It would improve the air, considerably.

41 posted on 11/25/2003 8:42:02 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
As long as the spy is *jewish*, right?

I think the other spies got off way too easy, too. Johnny Walker Lindh should be hanging from the gallows. But I wasn't the prosecutor.

Tell you what, if I take that long walk, and it turns into a long swim, and if I wind up in Israel spying for the US, then you'll put in a good word for me, OK? After all, I'm just spying on a friend, right?

Don't bother, the Israelis would secretly execute me, as they bloody well should. They need to take whatever measures they deem necessary for their security, they're on the front lines of this war. Like we were on the front lines of the Cold War at the time of Pollard's offenses.

At least I don't believe Pollard should be executed. He's far too valuable as a bargaining chip if we ever need him for that.

42 posted on 11/25/2003 8:52:46 PM PST by hunter112
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To: kattracks
He is lucky he didn't get the firing squad. In many countries he would have been shot have a very quick trial.
45 posted on 11/25/2003 9:01:41 PM PST by vladog
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To: Constructionist
Oh, its our war, too. Leftover unfinished business of the Crusades, I'm afraid. The Europeans don't know it, but its their war, too. They are today where we were in 1940.

But I don't want any friendly or unfriendly spies. The difference between me and the other fellow I've been sparing with here, is that if any Canadian comes down and spies on the US, I believe we can shoot him.

46 posted on 11/25/2003 9:02:31 PM PST by hunter112
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To: bvw
Ever heard of the UCMJ?
Has the concept of extraordinary access to specially compartmentalised access to classified information ever impacted on your personal life?
The results of betraying such trusts are entirely constitutional.Clearly spelled out.Immutable.
One actually signs legal forms acknowledging that fact, and the consequences of betrayal.


47 posted on 11/25/2003 9:28:09 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
I think one reacts more harshly with a friend who betrays than they do with an enemy from whom betryal is expected, thus the harsh sentence?
48 posted on 11/25/2003 9:56:13 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: kattracks
Folks I called my senators (at the time) Phil Gramm and K. B. Hutchinson to lobby to make sure Klintoon didn't commute or pardon the scumbag known as J. Pollard.

I don't know if my efforts worked, but I heard after the fact that Barrak (spelling) lobbied sleeze-bag Billy-boy to have the sentence commuted.

I bet if Denise Rich's fugitive ex-hubby would have thrown enough coin on the table, Pollard would have walked.

Hey Pollard you're the one that did the crime, you pled guilty... now rot in hell you P.O.S.

Trajan88

50 posted on 11/25/2003 11:02:27 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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