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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)



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HANNITY & COLMES transcript added.

"Hannity and Colmes" - Tuesday 10-14-03 --> (Terri's father) Bob Schindler: "MONEY and FOUL PLAY"

"On the Record with Greta" - Friday 10-24-03 --> Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden: "Potassium imbalance UNLIKELY - HEALTHY heart - NECK TRAUMA"

"At Large with Geraldo Rivera" Sunday 10-26-03 --> author Christopher Darden and Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: "You have eternity to be dead; You only have a limited amount of time to live"

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (father) Bob Schindler and (neurologist) Dr. William Hammesfahr: "She absolutely CAN be rehabilitated -clearly NEVER had heart attack -Emergency room: damaged neck"

"On the Record with Greta" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson: "BIG FIGHT -attempted STRANGULATION"

"On the Record with Greta" - Tuesday 10-28-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson and (brother) Bobby Schindler: "failing marriage -DIVORCE imminent -Potassium explained":

"Hardball with with Chris Matthews" - Wednesday 10-29-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney for ACLJ) Jay Sekulow and (anti-Terri attorney) Joe Tacopina: "Matthews: I think the human issue here is... her eyes flickering... I think she's ALIVE":

"Larry King Live" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (husband) Michael Schiavo[barf alert]: THEY get money from the right wing ACTIVISTS - "Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die" - [later] King: Would you take one[lie detector test]? - No

"The Abrams Report" - Monday 11-03-03 --> (Commentary) almost entirely pro-husband

"O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday 11-05-03 --> (former "Vegetative State" patient) Kate Adamson: Being starved to death is EXTREMELY painful "It was SHEER torture!" - took her THREE MONTHS of ACUTE REHAB to snap out
Her website says: We stand behind Terri Schindler!

"The Abrams Report" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney) Pat Anderson and (pro-death attorney) George Felos: "Felos: Michael is a MODEL husband" - Anderson:"Terri got NO REHAB after $award$":

"On the Record with Greta" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (Gov.Bush's lead attorney) Ken Connor, and followed by a panel discussion:
"Connor: INDEPENDENTLY investigate the circumstances and allegations...
Alred: Perhaps the PARENTS SHOULD care for her


"Radio Interview" --> (Michael Schiavo's so-called 1st girlfriend after Terri's so-called 'collapse')
MS: "[Terri] upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault."
GIRLFRIEND: "he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!"


"CBS News Sunday Morning" - Sunday 11-09-03 -->
( Lead-off feature story for this Sunday morning news magazine )

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 11-17-03 --> (Terri's parents) Mary and Bob Schindler: "ACQUIRED CEREBRAL PALSY" ... "she's been literally in PRISON for FOUR years"


Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign
      "Where there's life, there's hope."
      -Terri Schiavo ( arguing with her best friend Diane Meyer ) angrily PROMOTING LIFE FOR the comatose
-Kate Adamson ( former vegetative patient nearly starved to death ) "Its VERY painful... Its SHEER torture!"

-Michael Schiavo (teaching Terri she can NEVER DIVORCE him) minutes before her 'collapse'
-Michael's 1993 girlfriend ("he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!")
-link to latest TV coverage/interviews           Contact FoxNews


1,051 posted on 11/18/2003 1:15:51 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: All
Contact Info:

Hannity@foxnews.com - Hannity & Colmes - Sean Hannity

Ontherecord@foxnews.com -On the Record with Greta - Greta Van Susteren

Atlarge@foxnews.com - At Large with Geraldo Rivera

Speakout@foxnews.com general FoxNews forum - Thank them for having the best Terri Schiavo coverage of any news channel!

Oreilly@foxnews.com - The O'Reilly Factor - Bill O'Reilly
(Bill used to parrot CNN with drivel from the husband)
(he's 'possibly' a little more 'pro-Terri' now?-)

1,052 posted on 11/18/2003 1:22:28 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: T'wit
Kool Whip, gummy worms, Froot Loops

Uh, you forgot, them sour patch candies!

1,053 posted on 11/18/2003 2:17:26 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Micavaga
Did you notice her blood sugar upon admission? 300 some?
Also...Michael told them he found her gasping for air?

unexplained V tach.....

Strange
1,054 posted on 11/18/2003 2:21:47 AM PST by ZAKJAN
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To: FL_engineer
great job, thanks .

WoW ! The Schindlers are throwing solt balls at MS, Felos & Felon$. I was hoping he would of come out firing like a A-1 tank, but they are holding back.

We need a Federal Investigation, and we need the FBI, IRS,
HHS, and demand a Federal investigation into Felo$, Greer, and MS, and the corruption and mis-use of gov't tax-payer $$$ at that hospise death camp in Clearwater.

RICO law, because we have alot of corrupt elected-officals,
and there protectors in the courts & law enforcement running a ________ operation.


I think it's a good idea to get the First Lady involved, or
informed about this situation...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
1,055 posted on 11/18/2003 2:34:04 AM PST by Orlando (Terri is a possible Strangulation victim of Feb 25th, 1990.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; drlevy88; sweetliberty; Budge; cyn; KDubRN; Graymatter
Pillar of his community... like a pillar of horse hooey, that is.

How about a PILLAR OF SALT! Like Lot's wife? That's about as much of a pillar "Judge" Greer & Co. stand for.


1,056 posted on 11/18/2003 2:46:51 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: KDubRN
"It appeared that someone had increased the rate of Terri's tube feeding, resulting in her receiving way too much."

You think maybe someone is trying to asphyxiate her again by causing aspiration pneumonia?
1,057 posted on 11/18/2003 3:01:54 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Micavaga; sweetliberty; KDubRN
Thank you very much for posting that link!
1,058 posted on 11/18/2003 3:02:28 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: ZAKJAN
Did you notice her blood sugar upon admission? 300 some?

What could cause this?

1,059 posted on 11/18/2003 3:03:44 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Pegita
I always enjoy reading the prayers Pegita. I wish I had such a way with words.
Sometimes I gets little chills.
Have you ever considered putting them in print?

1,060 posted on 11/18/2003 4:13:04 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: Theodore R.
Another problem apparently is Democrats running as a Republican.
The New York Mayors race comes to mind. If we have two democrats running for a position, what choices do the voters have, you vote for the devil or the witch.
1,061 posted on 11/18/2003 4:28:13 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: nickcarraway
That's interesting. I've received many injections and IV's and never suffered from low potassium as a result. What's the source for this info?
1,062 posted on 11/18/2003 4:32:36 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: nicmarlo; KDubRN; nickcarraway; All
The interview was good but too short, and there was way too much Peterson case stuff first! But the main thing is, it did help keep people aware of Terri's ordeal not being over yet!

Please check out this case of a man in a "locked in" condition (alert wakefulness, paralysed but unable to speak) - HE WROTE A BOOK even though he can only BLINK ONE EYELID.

Locked-in Syndrome

A look at the achievements of some extraordinary people who suffer from this syndrome - which is a diagnosis applied to people who are able to demonstrate alert wakefulness but are paralysed and unable to speak.

Book mentioned in talk: THE DIVING BELL AND THE BUTTERFLY by Jean-Dominique Bauby and published by Fourth Estate, London.

Speaker: Assoc. Prof. Roger Rees, Director, Institute for the Study of Learning Difficulties, Flinders University of South Australia, Adelaide.

1,063 posted on 11/18/2003 4:42:24 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All
An excerpt from the amazing book, 'The Diving Bell and the Butterfly':

"Since taking up life in my cocoon, I have made two brief trips to the world of Paris medicine to hear the verdict pronounced on me from medical heights. I shed a few tears as we passed the corner cafe where I used to drop in for a bite. I can weep discreetly, yet the professionals think my eye is watering.' How many people in this state in enclosed half-lit hospital beds are never stimulated, never recognised as people with intact minds who can still contribute if only their talents are acknowledged?"

1,064 posted on 11/18/2003 4:46:02 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All
Another excerpt from the radio discussion of people in "Locked-in Syndrome":

Assoc. Prof. Roger Rees: "Isn't Bauby justified in being indignant and hurt about a prognosis that classifies him as a vegetable, or that holds the view that only a visit to Lourdes and a subsequent miracle cure could save him? Having read Bauby's book, we now recognise that he is a unique person whose mind and being still needs to feel strongly, to love and admire just as desperately as he needs to breathe."

"From an economic rationalist's view of rehabilitation or of a simplistic absolute view that a person is either cured or not cured, people in the locked-in state are considered of no account. There is a young woman in an Adelaide hospital who now uses a large felt-tipped pen to write notes and letters about the poetry of Eliott and Whitman, the prose of Jane Austen, or record her feelings about Mozart's music. She has been in a locked-in state for six years, swaddled like a newborn, unable to move or speak unaided, often experiencing a total lapse into infancy. Yet in these six years her mind has remained intact, eager to emerge when the appropriate time arrived. Her parents have maintained a six-year vigil, believing that an intact person still existed in their daughter's paralysed body. She still cannot speak, but her writings now invoke the supremacy of her memory, dreams, reasoning and imaginings."

"There is now a curious reversal of views by those who believed that her brain damage was global and total. Her parents are surely vindicated as their daughter's meticulous writings spread before our eyes, and along with [Jean-Dominique] Bauby, they provide evidence of the mystery of human resilience and the duality of the interaction of the brain and the mind."

1,065 posted on 11/18/2003 5:03:53 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: T'wit
You claim to be well informed yet you don't know the facility that the EMT's took Terri to on the night of her collapse??

To enlighten you and disabuse you of your presumptions. Terri was taken to the Northside Hospital and Heart Institute. This hospital's emergency room is staffed 24hrs by a team of doctors, nurses and technicians who have been specially trained in emergency cardiac care. The facility is nationally known as a training center for cardiologists.
1,066 posted on 11/18/2003 5:20:35 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
"From a humanistic standpoint this is plain old wrong, no one even needs to bring religion into this".

You're preaching to the choir. Perhaps your post should be directed to those that splatter the Terri threads with prayers, religious quotes and dogma to support their position and attack those that disagree with them.

1,067 posted on 11/18/2003 5:38:50 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: pickyourpoison
There was a conservative choice to former Democrat Michael Bloomberg in the Republican primary, former Rep. Herman Badillo, another former Democrat. Yet, GOP voters wanted a "winner" with MONEYBAGS; so they nominated Bloomberg by a wide margin. Then Bloomberg won two months after 9-11, based in part on his support from Giuliani, whom he now is undermining.
1,068 posted on 11/18/2003 5:43:32 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Orlando
I assume they are using softballs for fear that if they alienate the FL GOP judiciary and attorney general that such an attitude would backfire. Also they don't want Michael R. Schiavo removing their visitation again.

I wonder if there is not a lot more to this so-called "family division" than Terri. Of course, this is not "family division," it is proposed state-sanctioned murder.
1,069 posted on 11/18/2003 5:45:47 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: All
Man in prison for rape to be freed by DNA test

Florida inmates are covered under a law allowing them to ask for DNA testing to prove their innocence. The law took effect two years ago after DNA proved the innocence of two Broward men convicted of murder. One of them [Frank Lee Smith] was cleared 11 months after he died of cancer on death row.

From the Miami Herald:

Florida legislators created the two-year window for testing after DNA exonerated Frank Lee Smith, a Broward County man who died of cancer on Death Row nearly a year before new testing cleared him of the 1985 rape and murder of 8-year-old Shandra Whitehead.

Since then, another South Florida man, Jerry Frank Townsend, was exonerated by DNA after having served 22 years in prison for a rape and murder that he did not commit.

High-profile national cases have brought increased attention to the issue of post-conviction testing. Last year, for instance, DNA disproved the convictions of five teenagers in the 1989 rape and beating of a Central Park jogger in New York City.

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Note: Section 925.11 of the FL Code, which allows post-conviction DNA testing for a period of up to two years, was cited in Johnnie Bryd's Friend of the Court brief on behalf of Schiavo vs. Bush, as an example of valid legislative intervention.

1,070 posted on 11/18/2003 6:03:52 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: fiesti
You Posted:
Actually I have read all of Terri's posts but also all posts about Laci....After this prelim is over which should only be a couple more days this news will go stagnet until trial. I am going to do my best to get some Laci posters over to our site and help us save Terri..Actually I have seen posts on here from Laci people. Maybe a bombardment to Fox news will help get more coverage on Terri after prelim over

My reply: Thank You!!! AND I hope when they join us they will become active and send out some e-mails and letters and if they are in Florida perhaps they can even help out in person. Good thinking and enveryone on this board thanks you for your good idea :))
1,071 posted on 11/18/2003 6:27:06 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: sweetliberty
"Aquired Cerebral Palsy" is one of the three types of CP diagnoses:

from a CP legal resource site:Acquired Cerebral Palsy causes:

Anoxia (carbon monoxide poisoning, smoke inhalation, strangulation and near drowning)
Neoplasams of the brain (tumors, cysts, and hydrocephalus) Infections (high fevers, meningitis, encephalitis, or brain abscesses)
Head traumas (wounds, severe concussions, or fractures)
Vascular problems of the brain (thrombosis or hemorrhage)

1,072 posted on 11/18/2003 6:43:25 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: pc93
pc93
You have Freep Mail
1,073 posted on 11/18/2003 6:57:32 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: pc93
pc93
You Have Freep Mail
1,074 posted on 11/18/2003 6:58:18 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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arrgggh...

Acquired CP is one of FOUR types of CP:

Prenatal, perinatal, developmental and acquired. The only type that would apply in Terri's case is acquired, as the others are present at birth or shortly thereafter.
1,075 posted on 11/18/2003 7:18:24 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Theodore R.
Yes, they seemed to be a little restrained, as far as commenting on the cause of Terri's collapse.

I wonder if LKL cancelled their appearance due to a nasty possibly threatening letter from Felos??? (like the one Felos sent threatening any doctor who reinserted Terri's feeding tube after Bush signed the executive order)



1,076 posted on 11/18/2003 7:25:59 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All; No More Gore Anymore; sweetliberty; FL_engineer; nickcarraway; cyn; Pegita
From Terrisfight.org

Terri's Birthday

Terri's Birthday is December 3rd. So many people have contacted us, recently, to ask how they may participate. We are so delighted that so many people want to help Terri enjoy her special day and we appreciate the kindness that people have shown to Terri.

Because Terri's husband does not permit her to have flowers in her room, we ask that you consider doing something else that would be as meaningful. Here are some things you can do:


Join us in wishing Terri a very happy birthday.

Woodside Hospice
Located: 300 E. Bay Drive
Largo, Florida 33770

You can send a card or a note to us at the foundation. We will deliver them all to Terri.

If you've placed a light in your window for Terri, please send us a picture.

Terri adores animals. If you have a picture of your favorite pet, feel free to send it along!

Terri enjoys music. Piano music, John Denver, Journey and Wham! are just some of her favorites. Since she has a CD player in her room, a CD would make a great birthday gift.

Terri enjoys lotions and nice-smelling things for her skin.

Would you like to send a personal message to Terri? Tape record your own message and we'll play it for her!

So many people have already sent a prayer to Terri on our Share a Prayer page. We read these to her as often as we can. Be sure to include yours.

Terri's husband does not permit her to receive physical therapy, but "stress balls" are great for relieving the contractures in her hands.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
4615 Gulf Blvd.
#104-103
St Pete Beach, FL 33706

1,077 posted on 11/18/2003 7:35:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: msmagoo
And I wonder if MS is staying off T.V. because he comes across as a scuzz hiding behind his lawyer.
I feel sure they are putting pressure on the Schindler's to shut up.
If they can get the national attention off this, they'll start their sneaky stuff all over again.
1,078 posted on 11/18/2003 7:58:28 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: All

If you haven't done this yet please commit to doing it today.

The only Investigation that is taking place right now is the Advocacy organization.

This Organization is chartered by the U.S. Federal Government to investigate crimes against persons with disabilities who reside in Florida.

http://www.advocacycenter.org/

Write to them and give them your support and encouragement.

Here is their e-mail address: info@advocacycenter.org

Everyone will write what they want, for me the biggest (and there are sooooo many to pick form) evidence that points to Terri as being denied her civil rights and being mistreated by her Guardian, her Husband (In Name Only), is the fact that he and his lawyers, after they had already removed her feeding tube and had started to starve her, denied her priest permission to administer Holy Communion.

That to me was their most flagrant and aggrieves action, their actions denied Terri her Freedom of Religion, on top of denying her the Right to Life.

They were well on their way already taking away her number on right established by the United States Constitution Bill of Rights, the Right to Life, now they were taking away her freedom of Religion.

Our Right to Life was the very first Right that our founding fathers wrote down when declaring our Independence from England.

Declaration of Independence

July 4, 1776

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -

 

Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment XIV - Ratified 7/9/1868

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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I am sure that the Advocacy Center in Florida would appreciate getting support from their core organization out of Washington DC.

Write a paper letter to the Federal Secretary of Health and Human Services, they are probably the ones funding the Florida Advocacy Organization.

Secretary Tommy Thompson

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

200 Independence Avenue, S.W. Room 615F

Washington, D.C. 20201

That Room 615F in the address? That gets the letter directly on top of the desk of Tommy Thompson.

I would also recommend calling the Press office as they have the ability to listen and and report back to the Secretary what is on the public mind.

Toll Free: 1-877-696-6775 - Ask for the Press Office - Talk to them

Follow up with a paper letter suing the address I have provided above.

Wm ... Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good (wo)men do nothing.

Help Terri do something!!!!!!!!!!!

Copy and paste this message into other Message Boards, each one reach one..

1,079 posted on 11/18/2003 8:04:25 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: pickyourpoison
I don't see the issue of state-authorized euthanasia and related issues such as health proxies and living wills going away anytime soon - in fact cases in other states are now making national news since Terri's Law passed.

Agree that TV personalities who host the Schindlers are probably getting advance mail from Felos. Maybe we should send Larry King a case of Troll-B-Gone? :)
1,080 posted on 11/18/2003 8:10:50 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; wisconsinconservative
Thanks for the reminder and the addresses! And thanks for the list of 'treats' for Terri's birthday, too, wisconsinconservative.
1,081 posted on 11/18/2003 8:13:48 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All
Workign on my posting skills-

If you haven't done this yet please commit to doing it today.

The only Investigation that is taking place right now is the Advocacy organization.

This Organization is chartered by the U.S. Federal Government to investigate crimes against persons with disabilities who reside in Florida.

http://www.advocacycenter.org/

Write to them and give them your support and encouragement.

Here is their e-mail address: info@advocacycenter.org

Everyone will write what they want, for me the biggest (and there are sooooo many to pick form) evidence that points to Terri as being denied her civil rights and being mistreated by her Guardian, her Husband (In Name Only), is the fact that he and his lawyers, after they had already removed her feeding tube and had started to starve her, denied her priest permission to administer Holy Communion.

That to me was their most flagrant and aggrieves action, their actions denied Terri her Freedom of Religion, on top of denying her the Right to Life.

They were well on their way already taking away her number on right established by the United States Constitution Bill of Rights, the Right to Life, now they were taking away her freedom of Religion.

Our Right to Life was the very first Right that our founding fathers wrote down when declaring our Independence from England.

Declaration of Independence

July 4, 1776

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -

 

Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment XIV - Ratified 7/9/1868

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nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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I am sure that the Advocacy Center in Florida would appreciate getting support from their core organization out of Washington DC.

Write a paper letter to the Federal Secretary of Health and Human Services, they are probably the ones funding the Florida Advocacy Organization.

Secretary Tommy Thompson

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

200 Independence Avenue, S.W. Room 615F

Washington, D.C. 20201

That Room 615F in the address? That gets the letter directly on top of the desk of Tommy Thompson.

I would also recommend calling the Press office as they have the ability to listen and and report back to the Secretary what is on the public mind.

Toll Free: 1-877-696-6775 - Ask for the Press Office - Talk to them

Follow up with a paper letter suing the address I have provided above.

Wm ... Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good (wo)men do nothing.

Help Terri do something!!!!!!!!!!!

Copy and paste this message into other Message Boards, each one reach one..

1,082 posted on 11/18/2003 8:19:02 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Thanks so much lone. You are a dear. Hugs to you.
1,083 posted on 11/18/2003 8:32:49 AM PST by KDubRN
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To: msmagoo
I just ordered the book. Thank you for the recommendation - I'd never heard of it before.
1,084 posted on 11/18/2003 8:40:05 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: nicmarlo; sweetliberty
I saw the segment, too, but I took that comment to mean that Felos seems to now be focusing on shoring up the "Terri's wish" defense - as a switch from the previous "she's PVS" defense, which fell apart after the Schindlers released videos of Terri responding to them to the media. In fact, public opinion about Terri's condition changed dramatically after the videos were released, as did the level of outrage over the PVS diagnosis. Doctors even stated they believe she may be 'minimally couscious' as distinct from PVS after seeing the videos. And, Florida law does not view PVS as a terminal illness, even if she IS judged to be in a PVS state by Wolfson.

On the other hand, calling for Terri's feeding tube to be removed based on "Terri's wish" - the right-to-privacy, right-to-die argument is weaker still, though. MS's contradictory (but court-approved) hearsay is a weaker defense because it's open to challenge on multiple fronts, most notably because he changed his sworn testimony after winning the malpractice award. Bush is defending Terri's Law based on Constitutional protections and not whether the diagnosis of Terri's condition is accurate.
1,085 posted on 11/18/2003 8:41:21 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
even if she IS judged to be in a PVS state by Wolfson.

If Wolfson judges her to be PVS, he is diagnosing medicine without a license and that is against the law.
1,086 posted on 11/18/2003 8:44:30 AM PST by KDubRN
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To: msmagoo
I always enjoy your posts so much. They are well thought out and rational. Well ocassionally you get wired and rip one out, but hey I like that. We all need to be wired up about this injustice.

I'm going to dig up that address of the Florida Judicial Committee on Guardianship and drop them an e-mail next.

Keep psoting on this board you are one I really respect.
p.s. you know why I have so many typo's right? I have a deformity on one hand and two fingers don't work they just drag and then it screws up my typing and hit's keys I don't wnat hit and also becasue one hand is deformed then I hit the right keys but not in the right order so it looks like I'm dyslexi, I'm really not it jsut looks that way. On important communications I take the time and spell check etc. but ont his message board if I took the time to do that it would take forever to post so I just don't bother and hope that once in a while if I mention this people will understand that I am not really ignorent and on my posts to mentally correct for juxposed letters etc.

1,087 posted on 11/18/2003 8:52:35 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Bluebird Singing
There are so many of these cases where people where thought to be 'hopeless' and either recovered or turned out to be alive and aware but trapped in their bodies, it's frightening to think of the consequences if we don't stop state-approved executions of these people.

Terri recognizes and responds to her family so what will it take for Greer and others to allow her to be disabled with dignity instead of trying to kill her? :(

I don't even include MS and Felos as those who might someday 'see the light' as they must KNOW she responds to her family! How could they not?
1,088 posted on 11/18/2003 8:53:28 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
our 12 year old has CP that was aquired at birth. She was born premature due to a drug addicted mother. She is actually at the dr. today for a check concerning a possibility that it is now starting to affect her spine....We took her when she was 6 months old as a foster child and have raised her.
1,089 posted on 11/18/2003 8:57:00 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: KDubRN
I am very pessimistic about Wolfson. He went to Stetnson law school in Florida whre all these jusdges seem to have gone. Yeah even though he is ""DR"" Wolfson he is not a medical doctor and also he is a lawyer, with his PhD being in Public Health Finance, he is a "policy" dude. I expect him to feel that all the disabled are a drain on the Healthcare cossts and it is better to eliminate tham.

But you never know we could get surprised.

Even if the Jeb Bush law gets struck IF the Advocacy Organizations investigation determins that Michael has not been a good Guardian then perhaps at last he will be removed by Greer. Also the outcome of the Advocacy Organization Investigation could result in forcing the Sheriff (who in a newspaper article stated that he has been friends with Judge George Greer for 20 years and what a great guy he is)and/or other law enforcemtn organizations to begin an investigation into Michael.
1,090 posted on 11/18/2003 9:00:09 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: wisconsinconservative
I am thinking that Hannity and Colmes should be aware of Terri's Birthday and CELEBRATE somehow on NATIONAL TV. Any idea's how we could encourage a birthday party for Terri on the Front lawn of the Hospice??
1,091 posted on 11/18/2003 9:04:51 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog
What a kind heart you have. You and others like you are an inspiration to us all to reach out and care for those less fortunate than ourselves.

1,092 posted on 11/18/2003 9:05:27 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: thylasign; Robert Drobot; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; ...
The number of Terri threads on Free Republic, not counting the ones that were pulled now number 574, with the number of verifiable posts at 67,525. Thank you Robert Drobot for your hard work in compiling that list. Now if we could just get those links working. Sorry, I wouldn't know what to do short of redoing every one. Hope someone can help.

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST

1,093 posted on 11/18/2003 9:10:52 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: pollywog
I organized a somewhat similar event and this is how you do it.

terrisfight.org needs to contact politicians and church leaders and get them to commit to attending. then they send out press releases, and follow up with phone calls to press organizations and encourage them to attend. They need to communicate that same information here.

Once we all are aware of their contacts then we also communicate with the press and encourage them to attend.

I got real good press coverage on a meeting with our State's Governor by following the above. What your attitude is, "it is a done deal." You tell the politicians that the press is coming, you tell the press that the residents/public will come and you tell the public/residents that the press and politicians will attend. You just basically tell everyone that everyone is is coming and you have a done deal and presto everyone shows up becasue they dont' want to be left out.
1,094 posted on 11/18/2003 9:13:12 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; pollywog; floriduh voter; sweetliberty
I am thinking that Hannity and Colmes should be aware of Terri's Birthday and CELEBRATE somehow on NATIONAL TV. Any idea's how we could encourage a birthday party for Terri on the Front lawn of the Hospice??

terrisfight.org needs to contact politicians and church leaders and get them to commit to attending. then they send out press releases, and follow up with phone calls to press organizations and encourage them to attend.

Sounds like a plan! The sooner we can pull something together, the sooner we can start contacting media/politicos/church's, etc.

Who has contact with the Schindler's media person?

1,095 posted on 11/18/2003 9:25:08 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: pollywog
You have my respect for adopting a child with CP, pollywog. I too know a boy who was born with it - it was birth related, as he was premature and his lungs lacked surfectant, which as you know, allows them to inflate and hold oxygen. The mother was in the military in Italy and the hospital didn't have any of the treatment for the condition on hand. The nuns in the hospital where he was born wanted to send him away to a monastary to be raised. Instead she returned to the U.S. and loves him very much in spite of his physical challenges. He's had to have several operations to correct problems with his muscles but aside from that his awareness is normal - he laughs, he understands, he is like any other child except for his disability. When I saw the videos of Terri I thought of him. She seems to be watching and understanding and expressing emotion too.
1,096 posted on 11/18/2003 9:33:52 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: KDubRN
I know a person can be made unconscious without being strangled. I know because it happened to me. I was in 5th grade when a "friend" approached me and told me that she could make me pass out (that her brother showed her how). I didn't believe her, we bet, and stupid me agreed to be the guinea pig. She stood behind me, told me to bend over and touch my toes and then, holding my breath, stand up straight again really fast, still holding my breath. She immediately put her hand on the back of my neck under my hairline and squeezed (not really hard though). The next thing I remember is that I was on the pavement, looking up at everybody. I had thousands of holes and runs in my hose and I was po'd.
1,097 posted on 11/18/2003 9:34:14 AM PST by GYPSY286
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Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

http://www.twincities.com/mld/talla...ews/7291811.htm
1,098 posted on 11/18/2003 9:36:10 AM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: Chocolate Rose
Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case
MITCH STACY
Associated Press

TAMPA, Fla. - An attorney for the husband of a brain-damaged woman is trying to convince an appeals court that Gov. Jeb Bush should not be allowed to delay a challenge to a new law that restored her feeding tube.

In a brief filed Monday, Michael Schiavo's attorney argued that his constitutional challenge to the new law should not be held up any longer while Bush takes issue with failing to be served with a formal notice of the lawsuit.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, also argues that if the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Lakeland sides with Bush, then the constitutional case should proceed against Attorney General Charlie Crist, who was also named as a defendant.

Schiavo contends that the hastily passed law that allowed Bush to order reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube is unconstitutional because it violates her right to privacy and separation-of-power provisions of the Florida Constitution.

Michael Schiavo has been fighting his in-laws in court for years for the right to remove the tube, saying his wife would not want to be kept alive artificially. She suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when her heart temporarily stopped, cutting off oxygen to her brain.

Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, dispute that she is in a vegetative state and believe her condition could improve with therapy.

Florida courts had repeatedly affirmed the right of Michael Schiavo to remove the tube. It was removed for six days when Bush ordered it restored Oct. 21.

Attorneys for the governor insist Felos must serve legal papers as required and argue the lawsuit must be filed in Tallahassee, the seat of state government.

Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird issued an order Friday to let the lawsuit move ahead, but the appeals court issued a stay hours later on Bush's appeal.

"The governor should not be allowed to hide behind alleged procedural deficiencies to support further delay," Felos wrote.

Bush denies trying to delay the case. State attorneys say they are just trying to make Felos follow proper procedure for suing the governor.

Calls to the offices of Bush and Crist were not immediately returned Tuesday
1,099 posted on 11/18/2003 9:39:24 AM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: wisconsinconservative
I am thinking that Hannity and Colmes should be aware of Terri's Birthday and CELEBRATE somehow on NATIONAL TV. Any idea's how we could encourage a birthday party for Terri on the Front lawn of the Hospice??

terrisfight.org needs to contact politicians and church leaders and get them to commit to attending. then they send out press releases, and follow up with phone calls to press organizations and encourage them to attend.

Sounds like a plan! The sooner we can pull something together, the sooner we can start contacting media/politicos/church's, etc.

Who has contact with the Schindler's media person?

I only wish I lived in Florida and could spear head this effort. I am thinking FloriduhVoter or cyn?? I will certainly do my part in contacting anyone and working from Los Angeles here to get this off the ground, but we need a Florida " hands on" person to do this. I am just thinking that the public will respond to a " Birthday Party" !!

1,100 posted on 11/18/2003 9:40:51 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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