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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)


Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)


Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.


Ckick on pic for Terri's website


This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.


Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; cultureofdeath; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: Theodore R.
Another problem apparently is Democrats running as a Republican.
The New York Mayors race comes to mind. If we have two democrats running for a position, what choices do the voters have, you vote for the devil or the witch.
1,061 posted on 11/18/2003 4:28:13 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: nickcarraway
That's interesting. I've received many injections and IV's and never suffered from low potassium as a result. What's the source for this info?
1,062 posted on 11/18/2003 4:32:36 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: nicmarlo; KDubRN; nickcarraway; All
The interview was good but too short, and there was way too much Peterson case stuff first! But the main thing is, it did help keep people aware of Terri's ordeal not being over yet!

Please check out this case of a man in a "locked in" condition (alert wakefulness, paralysed but unable to speak) - HE WROTE A BOOK even though he can only BLINK ONE EYELID.

Locked-in Syndrome

A look at the achievements of some extraordinary people who suffer from this syndrome - which is a diagnosis applied to people who are able to demonstrate alert wakefulness but are paralysed and unable to speak.

Book mentioned in talk: THE DIVING BELL AND THE BUTTERFLY by Jean-Dominique Bauby and published by Fourth Estate, London.

Speaker: Assoc. Prof. Roger Rees, Director, Institute for the Study of Learning Difficulties, Flinders University of South Australia, Adelaide.

1,063 posted on 11/18/2003 4:42:24 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All
An excerpt from the amazing book, 'The Diving Bell and the Butterfly':

"Since taking up life in my cocoon, I have made two brief trips to the world of Paris medicine to hear the verdict pronounced on me from medical heights. I shed a few tears as we passed the corner cafe where I used to drop in for a bite. I can weep discreetly, yet the professionals think my eye is watering.' How many people in this state in enclosed half-lit hospital beds are never stimulated, never recognised as people with intact minds who can still contribute if only their talents are acknowledged?"

1,064 posted on 11/18/2003 4:46:02 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All
Another excerpt from the radio discussion of people in "Locked-in Syndrome":

Assoc. Prof. Roger Rees: "Isn't Bauby justified in being indignant and hurt about a prognosis that classifies him as a vegetable, or that holds the view that only a visit to Lourdes and a subsequent miracle cure could save him? Having read Bauby's book, we now recognise that he is a unique person whose mind and being still needs to feel strongly, to love and admire just as desperately as he needs to breathe."

"From an economic rationalist's view of rehabilitation or of a simplistic absolute view that a person is either cured or not cured, people in the locked-in state are considered of no account. There is a young woman in an Adelaide hospital who now uses a large felt-tipped pen to write notes and letters about the poetry of Eliott and Whitman, the prose of Jane Austen, or record her feelings about Mozart's music. She has been in a locked-in state for six years, swaddled like a newborn, unable to move or speak unaided, often experiencing a total lapse into infancy. Yet in these six years her mind has remained intact, eager to emerge when the appropriate time arrived. Her parents have maintained a six-year vigil, believing that an intact person still existed in their daughter's paralysed body. She still cannot speak, but her writings now invoke the supremacy of her memory, dreams, reasoning and imaginings."

"There is now a curious reversal of views by those who believed that her brain damage was global and total. Her parents are surely vindicated as their daughter's meticulous writings spread before our eyes, and along with [Jean-Dominique] Bauby, they provide evidence of the mystery of human resilience and the duality of the interaction of the brain and the mind."

1,065 posted on 11/18/2003 5:03:53 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: T'wit
You claim to be well informed yet you don't know the facility that the EMT's took Terri to on the night of her collapse??

To enlighten you and disabuse you of your presumptions. Terri was taken to the Northside Hospital and Heart Institute. This hospital's emergency room is staffed 24hrs by a team of doctors, nurses and technicians who have been specially trained in emergency cardiac care. The facility is nationally known as a training center for cardiologists.
1,066 posted on 11/18/2003 5:20:35 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
"From a humanistic standpoint this is plain old wrong, no one even needs to bring religion into this".

You're preaching to the choir. Perhaps your post should be directed to those that splatter the Terri threads with prayers, religious quotes and dogma to support their position and attack those that disagree with them.

1,067 posted on 11/18/2003 5:38:50 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: pickyourpoison
There was a conservative choice to former Democrat Michael Bloomberg in the Republican primary, former Rep. Herman Badillo, another former Democrat. Yet, GOP voters wanted a "winner" with MONEYBAGS; so they nominated Bloomberg by a wide margin. Then Bloomberg won two months after 9-11, based in part on his support from Giuliani, whom he now is undermining.
1,068 posted on 11/18/2003 5:43:32 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Orlando
I assume they are using softballs for fear that if they alienate the FL GOP judiciary and attorney general that such an attitude would backfire. Also they don't want Michael R. Schiavo removing their visitation again.

I wonder if there is not a lot more to this so-called "family division" than Terri. Of course, this is not "family division," it is proposed state-sanctioned murder.
1,069 posted on 11/18/2003 5:45:47 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: All
Man in prison for rape to be freed by DNA test

Florida inmates are covered under a law allowing them to ask for DNA testing to prove their innocence. The law took effect two years ago after DNA proved the innocence of two Broward men convicted of murder. One of them [Frank Lee Smith] was cleared 11 months after he died of cancer on death row.

From the Miami Herald:

Florida legislators created the two-year window for testing after DNA exonerated Frank Lee Smith, a Broward County man who died of cancer on Death Row nearly a year before new testing cleared him of the 1985 rape and murder of 8-year-old Shandra Whitehead.

Since then, another South Florida man, Jerry Frank Townsend, was exonerated by DNA after having served 22 years in prison for a rape and murder that he did not commit.

High-profile national cases have brought increased attention to the issue of post-conviction testing. Last year, for instance, DNA disproved the convictions of five teenagers in the 1989 rape and beating of a Central Park jogger in New York City.


Note: Section 925.11 of the FL Code, which allows post-conviction DNA testing for a period of up to two years, was cited in Johnnie Bryd's Friend of the Court brief on behalf of Schiavo vs. Bush, as an example of valid legislative intervention.

1,070 posted on 11/18/2003 6:03:52 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: fiesti
You Posted:
Actually I have read all of Terri's posts but also all posts about Laci....After this prelim is over which should only be a couple more days this news will go stagnet until trial. I am going to do my best to get some Laci posters over to our site and help us save Terri..Actually I have seen posts on here from Laci people. Maybe a bombardment to Fox news will help get more coverage on Terri after prelim over

My reply: Thank You!!! AND I hope when they join us they will become active and send out some e-mails and letters and if they are in Florida perhaps they can even help out in person. Good thinking and enveryone on this board thanks you for your good idea :))
1,071 posted on 11/18/2003 6:27:06 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: sweetliberty
"Aquired Cerebral Palsy" is one of the three types of CP diagnoses:

from a CP legal resource site:Acquired Cerebral Palsy causes:

Anoxia (carbon monoxide poisoning, smoke inhalation, strangulation and near drowning)
Neoplasams of the brain (tumors, cysts, and hydrocephalus) Infections (high fevers, meningitis, encephalitis, or brain abscesses)
Head traumas (wounds, severe concussions, or fractures)
Vascular problems of the brain (thrombosis or hemorrhage)

1,072 posted on 11/18/2003 6:43:25 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: pc93
You have Freep Mail
1,073 posted on 11/18/2003 6:57:32 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: pc93
You Have Freep Mail
1,074 posted on 11/18/2003 6:58:18 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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Acquired CP is one of FOUR types of CP:

Prenatal, perinatal, developmental and acquired. The only type that would apply in Terri's case is acquired, as the others are present at birth or shortly thereafter.
1,075 posted on 11/18/2003 7:18:24 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Theodore R.
Yes, they seemed to be a little restrained, as far as commenting on the cause of Terri's collapse.

I wonder if LKL cancelled their appearance due to a nasty possibly threatening letter from Felos??? (like the one Felos sent threatening any doctor who reinserted Terri's feeding tube after Bush signed the executive order)

1,076 posted on 11/18/2003 7:25:59 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: All; No More Gore Anymore; sweetliberty; FL_engineer; nickcarraway; cyn; Pegita

Terri's Birthday

Terri's Birthday is December 3rd. So many people have contacted us, recently, to ask how they may participate. We are so delighted that so many people want to help Terri enjoy her special day and we appreciate the kindness that people have shown to Terri.

Because Terri's husband does not permit her to have flowers in her room, we ask that you consider doing something else that would be as meaningful. Here are some things you can do:

Join us in wishing Terri a very happy birthday.

Woodside Hospice
Located: 300 E. Bay Drive
Largo, Florida 33770

You can send a card or a note to us at the foundation. We will deliver them all to Terri.

If you've placed a light in your window for Terri, please send us a picture.

Terri adores animals. If you have a picture of your favorite pet, feel free to send it along!

Terri enjoys music. Piano music, John Denver, Journey and Wham! are just some of her favorites. Since she has a CD player in her room, a CD would make a great birthday gift.

Terri enjoys lotions and nice-smelling things for her skin.

Would you like to send a personal message to Terri? Tape record your own message and we'll play it for her!

So many people have already sent a prayer to Terri on our Share a Prayer page. We read these to her as often as we can. Be sure to include yours.

Terri's husband does not permit her to receive physical therapy, but "stress balls" are great for relieving the contractures in her hands.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
4615 Gulf Blvd.
St Pete Beach, FL 33706

1,077 posted on 11/18/2003 7:35:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: msmagoo
And I wonder if MS is staying off T.V. because he comes across as a scuzz hiding behind his lawyer.
I feel sure they are putting pressure on the Schindler's to shut up.
If they can get the national attention off this, they'll start their sneaky stuff all over again.
1,078 posted on 11/18/2003 7:58:28 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: All

If you haven't done this yet please commit to doing it today.

The only Investigation that is taking place right now is the Advocacy organization.

This Organization is chartered by the U.S. Federal Government to investigate crimes against persons with disabilities who reside in Florida.

Write to them and give them your support and encouragement.

Here is their e-mail address:

Everyone will write what they want, for me the biggest (and there are sooooo many to pick form) evidence that points to Terri as being denied her civil rights and being mistreated by her Guardian, her Husband (In Name Only), is the fact that he and his lawyers, after they had already removed her feeding tube and had started to starve her, denied her priest permission to administer Holy Communion.

That to me was their most flagrant and aggrieves action, their actions denied Terri her Freedom of Religion, on top of denying her the Right to Life.

They were well on their way already taking away her number on right established by the United States Constitution Bill of Rights, the Right to Life, now they were taking away her freedom of Religion.

Our Right to Life was the very first Right that our founding fathers wrote down when declaring our Independence from England.

Declaration of Independence

July 4, 1776

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -


Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment XIV - Ratified 7/9/1868

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


I am sure that the Advocacy Center in Florida would appreciate getting support from their core organization out of Washington DC.

Write a paper letter to the Federal Secretary of Health and Human Services, they are probably the ones funding the Florida Advocacy Organization.

Secretary Tommy Thompson

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

200 Independence Avenue, S.W. Room 615F

Washington, D.C. 20201

That Room 615F in the address? That gets the letter directly on top of the desk of Tommy Thompson.

I would also recommend calling the Press office as they have the ability to listen and and report back to the Secretary what is on the public mind.

Toll Free: 1-877-696-6775 - Ask for the Press Office - Talk to them

Follow up with a paper letter suing the address I have provided above.

Wm ... Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good (wo)men do nothing.

Help Terri do something!!!!!!!!!!!

Copy and paste this message into other Message Boards, each one reach one..

1,079 posted on 11/18/2003 8:04:25 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: pickyourpoison
I don't see the issue of state-authorized euthanasia and related issues such as health proxies and living wills going away anytime soon - in fact cases in other states are now making national news since Terri's Law passed.

Agree that TV personalities who host the Schindlers are probably getting advance mail from Felos. Maybe we should send Larry King a case of Troll-B-Gone? :)
1,080 posted on 11/18/2003 8:10:50 AM PST by msmagoo
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