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Why Six Days? (Six Days of Creation, Literal Days or Era's.
Koinonia House ^ | 11/15/2003 | Dr. Chuck Missler

Posted on 11/15/2003 10:50:03 PM PST by bondserv

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To: bondserv
Yeah, and Noah's flood was more a result of global warming than forty days and nights of rain. I have always been comfortable with not taking the Old Testament too literally. It may have been inspired by God, but it was written by man. In reference to time differences, I always questioned the 6-day creation, as well as Methusalem (sp?) living to what -- 3 or 4 hundred years of age?

I also can't see myself as a Christian going out and killing homosexuals as some scripture somewhere in the Old Testament commands.

The Old Testament says not to eat pork, but the New Testament says it's o-k now (I always attributed that to better cooking methods that discouraged disease). But that always made me wonder what other things have progressed beyond the Old Testament that no one addressed in the New Testament.

There are lot of things I question, but that's where faith steps in and I accept that I don't have to have all the answers in order to believe.

41 posted on 11/16/2003 12:28:44 AM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: bondserv
Chapter 2 is a recounting of chapter 1 with more detail

That's it, exactly. It's a common Hebrew literary device to do just that.

42 posted on 11/16/2003 12:30:54 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: dmanLA
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Actually, all you have to do is look at the machine you are inhabiting. Did it happen by accident? It is a statistical impossibility.

A statistical impossiblilty doesn't mean "impossible"; it means highly unlikely.

The statistical probability that the universe exists is: ((3.1628^2)/10) x 10^infinity (in other words, impossible). But we're here.

43 posted on 11/16/2003 12:36:08 AM PST by Diddley (Oh, what a web we weave, when ...)
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To: candeee
You are correct. We are not given the "TIME" from that Beginning to the "overthrow", to the DAYS of CREATION making the earth habitable for "flesh man". Also the words "replenish the earth" is used in Genesis 1:28.

Jeremiah 4:22-28 is not talking about Noah's flood.

IIPeter 3 the whole chapter gives much instruction and speaks about the world that then was, now, and yet future.

There are other places that describe those events that took place prior to "man in the flesh" being created.

Also note when you read after that 7th day, "REST" that there was no man to till the ground. So that would make it the 8th day that "the Adam" was created.


44 posted on 11/16/2003 12:38:02 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bondserv
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Also God created again each of the animals before Adam's face so that Adam could name them, as well as to have no question in Adam's mind who the creator is.

For my edificatioin, what is the Biblical reference for this?

45 posted on 11/16/2003 12:38:53 AM PST by Diddley (Oh, what a web we weave, when ...)
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To: bondserv
How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?

Simple. The overwhelming evidence from God's second revelation, creation, shows that the universe is billions of years old. Hence, God's first revelation, Scripture, must not be speaking literally of 144-hour days. We're not talking evolution here, we're simply talking about the age of the universe.

Now whether Genesis 1 is fully allegorical or using a day/age convention is worth studying. Regardless, the most important part of the chapter is its first four words: "In the beginning, God...".

This article is literally full of factual misunderstanding of science. If you're going to refute what science has to say about creation, you'd better understand what it says first. Furthermore, virtually all of the claims posited in the text have been thoroughly refuted by science. For example, the "changing speed of light" argument has been rather trivially refuted by examining other properties of distant starlight, such as its Doppler shift.

Honestly I have more trouble with Noah's Ark than Genesis 1.

46 posted on 11/16/2003 12:50:17 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: WackyKat
Contradictory? Can you clarify what you mean?
47 posted on 11/16/2003 1:08:35 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Diddley; Atchafalaya
I go with Einstein; God did not play dice with the universe. -Atchafalaya

Actually, He did, according to quantum mechanics. Einstein was incorrect. -Diddley

The "jury is still out" on this issue. Quantum mechanics and relativity are both correct and both incorrect depending on what you happen to be examining [light, matter, gravity, time, etc.] and at what scale [galaxies, quarks, etc.]. Some future theory [such as superstrings] may reconcile and unify relativity and quantum mechanics. So maybe God didn't play dice with the universe...

48 posted on 11/16/2003 1:15:31 AM PST by MayDay72 (Free markets. Free minds.)
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To: rebel85; bondserv
Tonight I don't have the time to go into the fallacies of the article; however, I will leave you with just one thing to ponder. Supernova 1987a. I will be able to go into this in much more detail tomorrow.
49 posted on 11/16/2003 1:16:46 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: WackyKat
If Genesis is so clear, why does it recite two different, contradictory versions of the Creation?

If Moses was so smart, how come he wrote two different, contradictory versions of the Creation?


Wouldn't SOMEONE have 'noticed' that early on and 'evened' out the account?
50 posted on 11/16/2003 2:00:02 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Diddley
 
How did plants (3rd day) flourish without the sun's photosynthesis (4th day)?
And the answer is?

...to be found in the BACK of the Book!
 
 
Revelation 21:23-27
 23.  The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
 24.  The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
 25.  On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
 26.  The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 
 27.  Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
(Plants are growing in THIS enviroment, why could they have not done the same before the Sun was 'created'?)
 
Revelation 22
 1.  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
 2.  down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
 3.  No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
 4.  They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
 5.  There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
 6.  The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."
 
 

51 posted on 11/16/2003 2:08:12 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: bjcintennessee
There are lot of things I question,

Isn't it great that God allows questioning!?

The Word is FILLED with folks doing that very thing, and being satified.


I think JAMES said it best:
James 1:5-6
5. If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
6. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

52 posted on 11/16/2003 2:21:53 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: bondserv
"The changes in the velocity of light not only impacts our understanding of the astronomical distances and properties, it affects the atomic behavior involved in the red shift of spectra, the reliability of radiological dating, etc."

That is utterly fascinating! I'm getting behind in understanding the latest in science.

The Lord had blessed me with some in-depth understanding about Genisis when I was a teen, back in the '80s. The sun was not around when the world was first created. Therefore, when God first told mankind that the earth was created in six days, we truly don't know if those were days of heavan or days of earth, or days beyond our comprehension. God is a time traveller. He sees time differently than we do.
53 posted on 11/16/2003 3:07:47 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: mcg1969
"Honestly I have more trouble with Noah's Ark than Genesis 1."

I hear you there. Noah's Ark presents so many troubling questions, I hear people make all manner of way-out explanations of how Noah's Ark must have worked. Sometimes, I wonder if Noah came here on a space ship after fleeing a flooded planet. With no word to describe outer space, they well... er... a space ship build of gopher wood? Hm....
54 posted on 11/16/2003 3:15:39 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: lockeliberty
That would be logically impossible. There is either belief or unbelief. There is no middle ground.




But there is belief on both sides. Faith too.

If we are to consider the first chapter of Genesis to be the foundation of faith and anyone who differs from a literal day to be lost, then the opposite is also true. If the days are actually billions of years then those who believe in 24 hours are lost. In each case it is the word of God taken in truth or not.

Look at the multitude of Christian denominations with varying interpretations of God's Word. According to the mindset of creationism, all which do not have the actual Word of God, are lost. So all are lost since not one has it perfect. Even the most fundamental of the fundamentalists says "the Bible in the original text" since there is doubt about the accuracy of some words or entire sections of the Bibles we carry to church, especially older translations.

We are saved by faith and that faith is in the person of Jesus Christ and the good news of his life. Everything else is arguing about the number of angels who can fit on the head of a pin.
55 posted on 11/16/2003 3:23:41 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: bondserv
Good Read!
56 posted on 11/16/2003 4:21:51 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: bondserv
The first statement is false.

The book of Genesis does NOT present ANY problem for a Bible Believer.

God spoke, and it was done, and it took six days...anything else, means you are NOT a Bible believer, but a believer in evolution of some sort.
57 posted on 11/16/2003 4:23:39 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
We'll all do well to first realize Satan is the prince of this world and the Father of lies, and through illusion, perfectly capable of decieving those that will into doubting God's Word.
58 posted on 11/16/2003 4:28:59 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: RadioAstronomer
Ping me if you post again to this thread. I won't be following it otherwise.
59 posted on 11/16/2003 5:20:13 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: bondserv
If you want a lucid explanation from the "billions of years" creation perspective, go to...

www.reasons.org

60 posted on 11/16/2003 5:34:03 AM PST by aquawrench ("DRAIN THE SWAMP!")
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