Ancient Hearths Test Carbon Dating (Humans In Brazil 56K+ Years Ago)

ABC Science Online ^ | 11-17-2003 | Bob Beale

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Tell me about it...

[RightWhale]

Maybe. Whoever they were, they were nothing but friendly. When they returned to New York, still kind of the Frontier, the RightWhale ancestors had a lot of children and named the girls for Christian virtues. Patience, Charity, Hope, that kind of thing, and the boys got Bible names. Their hats were more utilitarian by then.

[nmh]

If only carbon dating was reliable ... then this could be interesting. Then atheists, er evolutionists, would have a leg to stand on. Instead it's the same ole thing - crowing about nothing and no evidence to support it.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Heh heh heh

[nmh]

May I "ditto" you? Hope so.

I've never seen "theories" become "facts" as fast in evolution - all without sound evidence! In evolutionary wishful thinking, these "facts" have a nasty habit of reverting back to "theories" . Evolution is a godless fantasy world whose sole intent is deny God created all in a literal six day period.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

I suppose that is one reason I can't understand why some people get so upset over the very idea that there were people in the Americas before us and that we pushed them out. Although undoubtedly a few of them joined our ancestral line as well.

It isn't as if it was something to be ashamed of, it happened a very long time ago and it isn't as if it were unique either. You don't see a lot of Cannanites running around these days.

Are we starting to actually believe that New Age crap?

We were the tough, the brave, the bold and, yes, the very ruthless. I, personally take offense at the idea that my ancestors were fluffy, little de-clawed kittens!

[jennyp]

Here's something for your article...

[farmfriend]

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[buccaneer]

sure is a good thing the rats weren't around to mess with homeschooling!

[dasboot]

I suppose that is one reason I can't understand why some people get so upset over the very idea that there were people in the Americas before us and that we pushed them out.

If there's one old shibboleth that applies to this subject, it's "same as it ever was".

I just can't buy all this pushin' out, subduin' and exterminatin' in the fullness of its application: if the modern history of man is any indication of what transpired pre-historically, it's more likely--to me anyway...applying unscientific chin scratchin' and ruminatin'--that various indiginous populations were absorbed rather than wiped out.

Take, for example, the Kelts, Romans, Saxons, Jutes Angles, Danes and Normans in the Isles. While it is apparent that, generally speaking, the complexion of the inhabitants gets darker the farther west you go, there is probably little in the way of racial purity left after only 2000 years.

Here in the US, particularly in the urban areas, the population of mixed-race people growing exponentially. This after only a couple-hundred years. What about in a thousand, with the increased mobility and all?

Need we mention Iceland?

I suspect that the reason American Indians do not resemble their alleged Asian ancestors is because of racial mixing with Kelt, or whomever else was here before them. A lot of the depictions of Northeast Indians look downright anglo--as opposed to the faces of more western tribes.

My stupid, unlearned surmise...

There's always whacking going on between people, but the females, especially, are not so cavalierly wasted. So, anyway, I also think that, in the main, most of us can claim indiginous status. Mebbe my Irish ancestors came in waves serarated by, like ten-thousand years. I'm the product of at least a dozen or more identifiably different cultural--if not racial--ancestors. Now I'm just American....a totally new sub-species?

[dasboot]

Oh yeah, there's a lot of upside to my mixed heretage: I can get a nice tan, without burning, unlike my light-skinned, north European ancestors . It's that dominant Iberian Kelt stuff in my DNA.

[Junior]

IIRC, the skeleton found in Georgia was Homo Erectus -- a direct ancestor of Homo Sapien (and possibly Homo Neanderthalensis).

[ZULU]

"The new study says that thermoluminscence testing of the hearthstones showed that they "were heated independently from the stones found outside the hearths in the same layer; thus, refuting the possibility that the stones were heated by natural fires".

Seems to indicate the Charcoal was not due to natural causes. If the area around the cave site lacked any forests at the time the charcoal was dated, i.e. was a dry period, it seems unlikely the source was a natural forest fire.

This cave site has been the focus of much discussion and dissention in paleoanthropology.

The "African Eve" theory postulates that modern Homo sapiens moved out of the Horn of Africa into the Yemen around 80,000 years ago, moved along the southern shores of Asia to Australia by 60,000 years ago. These figures could indicate a human presence in SOuth America prior to that date which is questionable if movement occurred only in an easterly direction out of Africa.

On the other hand, a reconstruction of an ancient dated skull from South America bears African features, as do the Olmec Stone Heads of Central America and some South American tribes today and some of the Eastern Woodland Tribes of North America had Caucasoid features. The Solutrean points of western Europe are similar to Clovis points. Its possible that early modern man moved into the Americas simultaneously from several origin points. People consistently appaer to underestimate the abilities of early man to move around and accomplish things. They lived in a far more hostile environment than ours and must have been just as bright as we are, prehaps more so in their ability to utilze their environment to best advantage - or we wouldn't be here reading this.

[DallasMike]

I believe that God's account of creation is the only truth that is acceptable, and He said the way it is, only once, and His creation statements are final.

Me, too -- but the Bible says nothing about when the earth was created. All truth is God's truth and the evidence certainly points to the fact that the earth is billions of years old. A billion years is nothing to God.

[blam]

"IIRC, the skeleton found in Georgia was Homo Erectus -- a direct ancestor of Homo Sapien (and possibly Homo Neanderthalensis)."

H. Ergaster?

Strangers In A New Land (Archaeology)

[Batrachian]

What I want to know is when they're going to start cloning dinosaurs.

[carpio]

BTTT

[SunkenCiv]

a couple of your posts, mentioning Pedra Furada:

Date Limit Set On First Americans
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950870/posts?page=10#10

Calico: A 200,000-year Old Site In The Americas?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/592435/posts?page=17#17

Another article, still online:

Ancient hearth tests carbon dating
Bob Beale
ABC Science Online
Monday, 17 November 2003
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_990775.htm

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