Massachusetts Gay marriage decision met with optism, dismay

AP Wire (breaking on direct feed) | November 18, 2003 | MARTIN FINUCANE

[k omalley]

Undoubtedly this issue will end up in the United States Supreme Court. I shudder to think how it might rule.

[longtermmemmory]

They are seminars which are where new judges are trained after being appointed/elected. They are also where judges are warned about developments in the law and "pitfalls" where a ruling can cause an inadvertant "unraveling" of a string of case law.

There is no brick and morter buildings (usually) it is more of a think tank for judges. The teaching materials are actually something the judges guard.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Thanks for the info. I'll keep my ears open to try to hear more about these judicial training seminars.

[longtermmemmory]

Which is why the Federal Marriage Amendment takes it away from the supreme court. That is a very good thing to do.

[NYer]

Why do the homosexuals want marriage enyway?

Everything that they want is available to them NOW, legally, through a lawyer. On one new program tonight, one 'gay' couple mentioned that it cost them $700 to 'legally' change their names. (And it will probably cost them $1,000 to unchange them when they grow tired of each other.)

You raise an excellent question! Why? We can only conjecture as to their motives but we already know the reality. By redefining marriage, they will legitimize what God has denigrated. The homosexual lifestyle is 'unnatural', pure and simple. They can 'pretend' that what they have is a marriage, and do it through the legal system but a 'homosexual marriage' can NEVER be a real marriage. Homosexuals rely on others in order to reproduce - be it through a turkey baster or a legal adoption. God, in His infinite wisdom, gave us marriage. And it takes a man and a woman to form a true marriage.

[NYer]

* I've been here who has appointed who. I never paid attention because I knew it was something over which I had no control.*

PRECISELY!!!!

This is the new weapon being used to advance the homosexual agenda - bypass the elected officials and go directly to the 'appointed' judges. They understand that voters (like you, me and most of the other posters) would NEVER elect a representative who would promote their agenda. The solution? Bypass the electoral process and move directly into the courts where judges are 'appointed' and their rulings are based on 'existing' laws. This is truly incidious!!!

[longtermmemmory]

All the agreements are available in "forms" for less than $200. No lawyer required. Another homo-myth-propaganda point lie.

The name change cost cited probably includes the court filing fee. Name change is available to anyone. The name change is an idividual case per person. It does establish a marriage.

[longtermmemmory]

which is why homosexual groups fight tooth and nail to stop referendums which repeal or prevent homosexual special rights.

[NYer]

*All the agreements are available in "forms" for less than $200. No lawyer required. Another homo-myth-propaganda point lie.*

THANK YOU! for the clarification on the legal aspect of their agenda. So, that brings us back to the purpose behind demanding 'equal marriage rights' under the existing Constitution. Is this an attempt to assuage their crippled conscience, by legalizing that which they inherently understand to be disordered?

From a religious perspective, they have made a dent into the Episcopal/Anglican framework by having one of their own elevated to bishop. The members of the ECUSA are still reeling from this decision. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has come out emphatically against gay unions, and even more so against gay marriage. This pivotal assertion of marriage as an 'institution by God' for a 'man and a woman', has been met with the expected vitriol.

You and I have both noted that the gay activists have taken a concerted step towards bypassing the 'legal system' by utilizing 'appointed' judges to make decisions based on existing laws. This is a most clever approach. How do the citizenry fight back?

[little jeremiah]

We can only conjecture as to their motives but we already know the reality.

Actually we don't need to conjecture - they have a stated and admitted objective to change society into one of their liking - with no rules about morality, an anything goes sexual orgy type atmosphere, so whatever outrageous or unnatural think they can think up will be acceptable. If you haven't read any of scripter's links, you should check out his home page and do some serious study. There was a book written in the 80's - "After the Ball" by a couple of homosexual activists, and their stated plans for changing society are eye-opening. The gay activists have achieved most of their goals by now.