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Natives in U.S., Britain Getting Restless on Immigration
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | November 18, 2003 | John O'Sullivan

Posted on 11/18/2003 1:13:34 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: warchild9
My Dad and his entire family are from Knoxville and the surrounding area. We hear about this all the time from them.

TV's making everyone apathetic...
21 posted on 11/18/2003 3:44:26 PM PST by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of Reynolds Aluminum Products Anti-implant Division)
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To: B4Ranch
"The most productive cut is to get rid illegals with a criminal background. They are not only a hazard and a cost in the usual sense, they will be the ones most likely to get seriously violent and destructive when you start the rest of the program. I don’t know how to go about that, but I see it as critical."

We are working on this right now. We live on 30 acres just 15m min north of the Santa Clarita Valley (So Cal). It's always been nice and peacful and the neighbors we DO have have always been great. They keep to themselves, keep an eye on each others property and help to keep people from dumping trash, tresspassing, etc.
Well now, in the next canyon over we have a proplem with a guy who bought some land, dumped a couple of run down trailers on it and now runs a Mexican restaurant under a big tarp every Sunday! There's no water, no electriciy, no sewer, nothing. We've counted 150+ car's in and out on one day alone. He slaughters animals on Saturday night and start cooking. Sunday they serve beer and food. He's told the cops it is his "extended family". He muist have a large family because I have logged over 400 differnt license plates.

Now, I have no problems with people doing what they want on their land and long as it doesn't interfere with me. But our issues are:

1) Amplified music 8am through 6pm all day Sunday that we can hear in our house. They have generators.
2) Trash (Beer bottles, wrappers, etc) all along the mile road to the paved highway fromhis drunken customers.
3) His lost customers driving up our road and OPENING OUR GATES trying to find this illegal set up. I've run several belligerent non-english speaking people off my proprty at gun point. Then called the cops.
4) Drunks walking up to our house and hiking into our canyons and harassing my family and horses.
5) Drunk customers driving the dirt road to the paved highway at high speed (this is a horse trail)

We've called the cops every Sunday (as have the other residents) and we now have the health dept and INS on our radar but so far they are all dragging their feet or deferring us to other agencies. The cops and health dept and have admitted that most of the people down at this place are probably illegals. They also say there are similar operations popping up all over So Cal. It's very frustrating.

22 posted on 11/18/2003 4:06:47 PM PST by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of Reynolds Aluminum Products Anti-implant Division)
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To: Ribeye
Borrow an INS or Border Patrol uniform and slowly drive by the place a few times. Check with the tax agencies to see if this guy is paying taxes on time. That'll get a response!
23 posted on 11/18/2003 8:58:13 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, dont waive your rights!)
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To: B-Chan
Honorable B-Chan, your model is too Eurocentric. Old immigration based on European countries with max of 35 Million inhabitants. New immigration based on Asian Model, 3.5 Billion inhabitants, Latin American Model 1.5 Billion inhabitants.

Your Ellis Island must now be size of Alaska, grasshopper. America over.

24 posted on 11/18/2003 10:32:04 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Very aware of that case. A coule of local radio guys have been on it for a while.

There was another cop killed yesterday in Burbank (bastard shot the cop 12 times point blank). Authorites say friends and familiy are hiding the killer (19yr old gang punk)in Sun Valley. I got a dollar that says he's on his way to Mexico right now.
25 posted on 11/19/2003 8:47:58 AM PST by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of Reynolds Aluminum Products Anti-implant Division)
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To: taxed2death
Actually, when I was working in New York City, the natives told me to slow it down. And we weren't unionized, either.

Ahhh, I miss those book stores and real Italian restaurants...
26 posted on 11/19/2003 10:54:50 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Ribeye
I hesitate to point it out, but Knoxville is historically pro-Yankee country. Check your history.
Your relatives need to check out the League of the South, and seek redemption.
27 posted on 11/19/2003 10:56:51 AM PST by warchild9
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To: gubamyster; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; appalachian_dweller; ...
They best start listening!
28 posted on 11/19/2003 12:18:58 PM PST by JustPiper (All 19 of the hijackers entered the U.S. on valid visas- 18 of 19 had State Driver's Licenses!!!)
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To: Ribeye
approximately 3 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States

That approximately covers at least 10 million more Mexicans. If I'm wrong, I'll buy each of the others a shot of tequila.

29 posted on 11/19/2003 12:50:37 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: GingisK
>> There are a minumum of three issues that will force me to vote lebertarian instead of Republican this next election:
1. Continued curtailment of Second Ammendment rights.
2. Continued open border with Mexico.

I assume you mean "Libertarian", and if so, you'd be voting for a party with THIS platform:

"The Libertarian Party has long recognized the importance of allowing free and open immigration, understanding that this leads to a growing and more prosperous America. We condemn the xenophobic immigrant bashing that would build a wall around the United States... A policy of open immigration will advance the economic well-being of all Americans... Any discussion of immigration must include a warning about the threat to civil liberties posed by many of the proposals to limit immigration. Recent legislation to restrict immigration has included calls for a national identity card for all Americans. Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX) has proposed legislation that would require employers to consult a national registry of workers before hiring anyone, effectively giving the U.S. government control over every hiring decision by every business in America. Other legislation has contained provisions penalizing people who fail to "inform" on people they "suspect" might be illegal immigrants. Such Orwellian nightmares have no place in a free society, but are the natural outgrowth of an obsession with restricting immigration."

2000 LP Party Platform - Immigration
We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics. We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

Wow, brillant plan from the LP. Let's have open borders so the country's population will swell to 1 billion people within a few decades, that will surely bring about "economic well-being" for "everyone" already here. And abolish all border agencies and controls, we can have the U.S. and Mexico effectively merge, I'm sure that's a great step towards liberty and freedom. We all know much they value the will of the people in Mexico, a shining example of democracy < /sarcasm>

It's an interesting idea-- vote Libertarian to "stop" open borders. I had a "pro-life" Democrat friend who told me she was voting Democrat because the Republicans weren't doing enough to stop abortion. You guys must have attended the same school of logic.

30 posted on 11/19/2003 1:48:08 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: BillyBoy
Well well. You know how to hurt a guy! Thanks for pointing out that interesting tidbit, as I will take it very seriously. I suppose I'll have to start my own political party since none of the others represent me or the Constitution.

I guess I need to study the "Constitution Party", or maybe dust off all of that Confederate money.

32 posted on 11/20/2003 6:35:51 AM PST by GingisK
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