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China Threatens Taiwan Anew With Force
AP-Asia/yahoo.comnews ^ | November 19, 2003 | AP-Asian

Posted on 11/19/2003 4:02:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

BEIJING - Raising the stakes in an already tense situation, China threatened in remarks published Wednesday that "the use of force may become unavoidable" if the island pursues independence — the mainland's strongest statement in years against its archrival.

But Wang Zaixi, a top mainland official who deals with the Taiwan issue, also said China felt close to the Taiwanese people and was "not willing to meet at the battleground."

Wang, vice-minister of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, said curbing Taiwan's efforts toward independence is the main goal of the mainland, which will go to war if necessary.

"If the Taiwan authorities collude with all `splittist' forces to openly engage in pro-independence activities and challenge the mainland and the one-China principle, the use of force may become unavoidable," Wang was quoted as saying in the China Daily.

Separatists were "set to pay a high cost if they think we will not use force," Wang said. "Taiwan independence means war."

Both the Chinese Cabinet's Taiwan Affairs Office in Beijing and the Mainland Affairs Council in Taipei had no immediate comment on Wednesday.

Beijing has long threatened the use of force against Taiwan if it formally declares independence, but rarely so dramatically. The two sides split amid civil war in 1949, and Beijing insists that Taiwan belongs to China and must accept eventual unification.

The article in China Daily, a state-controlled, English-language newspaper with a wide foreign audience, ran under a bold headline: "Independence stance may trigger war."

Wang's remarks came as Taiwan prepares to elect a new leader next March. Recent public polls show that President Chen Shui-bian has gained popularity with voters since he came up with plans for a new constitution last month. He has also introduced a law referendums that could lead to citizens voting on Taiwan's independence.

The introduction of a new constitution and referendums are "extremely dangerous behaviors," Wang was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency. He was speaking at a seminar on cross-straits relations.

"That Chen is using ... presidential running tools to get himself re-elected and to push our Taiwanese compatriots to the brink of conflict with the motherland is immoral and is behavior that will destroy peace in the Straits of Taiwan," Wang said.

"The people of Taiwan are our brothers and sisters," he said. "We are not willing to meet at the battleground."

On Tuesday, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said the Bush administration would deploy sufficient force in the Asia-Pacific area to lower tensions between China and Taiwan.

"We have good competent forces there," Armitage said as he also offered assurances that the Bush administration would provide Taiwan with "sufficient defense articles for her self-defense."

Armitage told reporters that "we have full faith that the question of Taiwan will be resolved peacefully."

When Chen ran for president in Taiwan in 2000, he was the candidate Beijing disliked most because his opposition party had called for independence for Taiwan. Then-Premier Zhu Rongji and state-run media warned Taiwan voters that a Chen victory could lead to war.

"The people of Taiwan are standing at a very critical historical juncture, so let me give advice to all the people of Taiwan: Do not act just on impulse," Zhu said during a news conference. "Otherwise you will regret it very much and it will be too late to repent."

Last month, Beijing condemned Taiwan's leaders for their push for independence but stopped short of threatening war.

"The separatist activities by Taiwan independence elements directly endangers the basic interests of Taiwan compatriots, and it is a disaster for Taiwan," an unidentified spokesman from the Taiwan Affairs office was quoted as saying by Xinhua. "Activities like this cannot be tolerated by the sons and daughters of the Chinese nation."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; communism; nationaldefense; taiwan
Derbyshire: SORRY STATE (Communist, Nationalist, and Dangerous) *** OBSTACLES TO EMPIRE The grand project of restoring and Sinifying the Manchu dominions has unfortunately met three stumbling blocks. The first was Outer Mongolia, from which the Chinese garrison was expelled following the collapse of Manchu rule. The country declared independence in 1921 under Soviet auspices, and that independence was recognized by Chiang Kai-shek's government in 1945, in return for Soviet recognition of themselves as the "the Central Government of China." Mao seems not to have been very happy about this. In 1954, he asked the Soviets to "return" Outer Mongolia. I do not know the position of China's current government towards Outer Mongolia, but I should not be surprised to learn that somewhere in the filling cabinets of China's defense ministry is a detailed plan for restoring Outer Mongolia to the warm embrace of the Motherland, as soon as a suitable opportunity presents itself.

The second is Taiwan. No Chinese Imperial dynasty paid the least attention to Taiwan, or bothered to claim it. The Manchus did, though, in 1683, and ruled it in a desultory way, as a prefecture of Fujian Province, until 1887, when it was upgraded to a province in its own right. Eight years later it was ceded to Japan, whose property it remained until 1945. In its entire history, it has been ruled by Chinese people seated in China's capital for less than four years. China's current attitudes to Taiwan are, I think, pretty well known.

And the third stumbling block to the restoration of China's greatness is…….the United States. To the modern Chinese way of thinking, China's proper sphere of influence encompasses all of East Asia and the western Pacific. This does not mean that they necessarily want to invade and subjugate all the nations of that region, though they certainly do want to do just that to Taiwan and some groups of smaller islands. For Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Micronesia, etc., the old imperial-suzerainty model would do well enough, at least in the short term. These places could conduct their own internal affairs, so long as they acknowledged the overlordship of Beijing, and, above all, did not enter into alliances, nor even close friendships, with other powers.

Which, of course, too many of them have done, the competitor power in every case being the U.S. It is impossible to overstate how angry it makes the Chinese to think about all those American troops in Japan, Korea, and Guam, together with the U.S. Seventh Fleet steaming up and down in "Chinese" waters, and electronic reconnaissance planes like the EP-3 brought down on April 1 operating within listening distance of the mainland. If you tackle Chinese people on this, they usually say: "How would you feel if there were Chinese troops in Mexico and Jamaica, and Chinese planes flying up and down your coasts?" Leaving aside the fact that front companies for the Beijing regime now control both ends of the Panama Canal, as well as Freeport in the Bahamas, the answer is that the United States is a democracy of free people, whose government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, so that the wider America's influence spreads, the better for humanity: while China is a corrupt, brutish, and lawless despotism, the close containment of which is a pressing interest for the whole human race. One cannot, of course, expect Chinese people to be very receptive to this answer.

Or, indeed, to anything much we have to say on the subject of their increasing militant and assertive nationalism. We simply have no leverage here. It is no use trying to pretend that this is the face-saving ideology of a small leadership group, forced on an unwilling populace at gunpoint. The Chinese people respond eagerly to these ultra-nationalist appeals: That is precisely why the leadership makes them. Resentment of the U.S., and a determination to enforce Chinese hegemony in Asia, are well-nigh universal among modern mainland Chinese. These emotions trump any desire for constitutional government, however much people dislike the current regime for its corruption and incompetence. Find a mainlander, preferably one under the age of thirty, and ask him which of the following he would prefer: for the Communists to stay in power indefinitely, unreformed, but in full control of the "three T's" (Tibet, Turkestan, Taiwan); or a democratic, constitutional government without the three T's. His answer will depress you. You can even try this unhappy little experiment with dissidents: same answer.

Is there anything we can do about all this? One thing only. We must understand clearly that there will be lasting peace in East Asia when, and only when, China abandons her atavistic fantasies of imperial hegemony, withdraws her armies from the 2 million square miles of other people's territory they currently occupy, and gets herself a democratic government under a rule of law. Until that day comes, if it ever does, the danger of war will be a constant in relations between China and the world beyond the Wall, as recent events in the South China Sea have illustrated. Free nations, under the indispensable leadership of the United States, must in the meantime struggle to maintain peace, using the one, single, and only method that wretched humanity, in all its millennia of experience, has so far been able to devise for that purpose: Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. [More at LINK]

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China Waging War on Space-Based Weapons***The PLA also is experimenting with other types of satellite killers: land-based, directed-energy weapons and "micro-satellites" (search) that can be used as kinetic energy weapons. According to the latest (July 2003) assessment by the U.S. Defense Department, China will probably be able to field a direct-ascent anti-satellite system (search) in the next two to six years.

Such weapons would directly threaten what many believe would be America's best form of ballistic-missile defense: a system of space-based surveillance and tracking sensors, connected with land-based sensors and space-based missile interceptors. Such a system could negate any Chinese missile attack on the U.S. homeland.

China may be a long way from contemplating a ballistic missile attack on the U.S. homeland. But deployment of American space-based interceptors also would negate the missiles China is refitting to threaten Taiwan and U.S. bases in Okinawa and Guam. And there's the rub, as far as the PLA is concerned.

Clearly, Beijing's draft treaty to ban deployment of space-based weapons is merely a delaying tactic aimed at hampering American progress on ballistic-missile defense while its own scientists develop effective countermeasures.

What Beijing hopes to gain from this approach is the ability to disrupt American battlefield awareness--and its command and control operations--and to deny the U.S. access to the waters around China and Taiwan should the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty lead to conflict between the two Chinas.

China's military thinkers are probably correct: The weaponization of space is inevitable. And it's abundantly clear that, draft treaties and pious rhetoric notwithstanding, they're doing everything possible to position themselves for dominance in space. That's worth keeping in mind the next time they exhort "peace-loving nations" to stay grounded.***

China's PLA Sees Value in Pre-emptive Strike Strategy [Full Text] WASHINGTON, Aug. 11, 2003 - The military strategy of "shock and awe" used to stun the Iraqi military in the opening campaign of Operation Iraqi Freedom might be used by the Chinese if military force is needed to bring Taiwan back under communist control.

According to the released recently The Annual Report on the Military Power of the People's Republic of China, the country's military doctrine now stresses elements such as "surprise, deception and pre- emption." Furthermore, the report states that Beijing believes that "surprise is crucial" for the success of any military campaign.

Taiwan, located off the coast of mainland China, claimed independence from the communist country in 1949. The island has 21 million people and its own democratic government.

China, with 1.3 billion people, claims sovereignty over the tiny island, sees Taiwan as a breakaway province and has threatened to use military force against Taiwan to reunify the country. And China's force against Taiwan could come as a surprise attack.

But "China would not likely initiate any military action unless assured of a significant degree of strategic surprise," according to the report.

The report states that Lt. Gen. Zheng Shenxia, chief of staff of the People's Liberation Army's Air Force and an advocate of pre-emptive action, believes the chances of victory against Taiwan would be "limited" without adopting a pre-emptive strategy.

The report says that China now believes pre-emptive strikes are its best advantage against a technologically superior force. Capt. Shen Zhongchang from the Chinese Navy Research Institute is quoted as saying that "lighting attacks and powerful first strikes will be widely used in the future."

China's new military thinking has evolved over the past decade. PLA observers have been studying U.S. military strategies since the first Gulf War, when they noticed how quickly U.S. forces using state-of-the-art weapons defeated Iraqi forces that in some ways resemble their own.

Since then, the report states the PLA has shifted its war approach from "annihilative," where an army uses "mass and attrition" to defeat an enemy, to more "coercive warfighting strategies."

The PLA now considers "shock power" as a crucial coercion element to the opening phase of its war plans and that PLA operational doctrine is now designed to actively "take the initiative" and "catch the enemy unprepared."

"With no apparent political prohibitions against pre- emption, the PLA requires shock as a force multiplier to catch Taiwan or another potential adversary, such as the United States, unprepared," the report states.

Ways the PLA would catch Taiwan and the U.S. off guard include strategic and operational deception, electronic warfare and wearing down or desensitizing the opponent's political and military leadership. Another objective would be to reduce any indication or warning of impending military action, the report states.

Preparing for a possible conflict with Taiwan and deterring the United States from intervening on Taiwan's behalf is the "primary driver" of China's military overhaul, according to this year's report. Over the course of the next decade the country will spend billions to counter U.S. advances in warfare technology, the report states. [End]

1 posted on 11/19/2003 4:02:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As much as I support Taiwan and their already defacto independence, I kind of wish they'd cool the rhetoric until we can get a better handle on the War On Terror. We don't need a big military engagement in the Taiwan straights. Later, ok. Now, we're a bit busy.

As they say in Taiwan: Deng yi xia!

2 posted on 11/19/2003 4:09:06 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
correction: straits
3 posted on 11/19/2003 4:09:41 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
And what´s with the nuclear deterrence?
4 posted on 11/19/2003 4:13:03 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: samtheman
Freedom is not negotiable.

If Chinese aggression becomes imminent, Taiwan should use it's nuclear option as a deterrent.

Oh. they don't have nukes?

Sure they don't.......ha.

5 posted on 11/19/2003 4:16:14 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (so it is written, so it is done)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"The people of Taiwan are our brothers and sisters," he said. "We are not willing to meet at the battleground."

Right. And they didn't want to mow down hundreds of their "brothers and sisters" in Tiananmen Square 14 years ago.

6 posted on 11/19/2003 4:38:06 AM PST by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What you have stated here is the envelope of China's ambitions, and they do not end with just Taiwan. The Spratley islands, all of Indochina, and the lands north of Outer Mongolia and Tibet are all considered historical Chinese property. Not by any treaty or history, just their own version of spheres of influence.

And one should not be fooled that Beijing would not scuttle any support for the war on terror, when they are the originators of most of the unrest in Asia for the past fifty or sixty years.

Mao wanted Moscow's help to invade Taiwan in 1950, and received the beginnings of her navy, air force, and anti-aircraft forces. The only thing that kept her from her Taiwan ambitions was having to bail out the NKs from being completely stomped to death by our troops as they neared the Yalu. And it was only after losing a million of their volunteers in Korea that they agreed to end the war there.

The only thing that is keeping them from invasion right now is a couple of thousand mega-tons of microwave cooking from our strategic forces. Do not be aswaged into thinking that the Chinese will wait before they strike us first. Their own documents state that they must strike us first before 2010. This dragon will not go away peaceably.

Anyone for deep-fried dragon? I'll take a wing.

Old Patriot

7 posted on 11/19/2003 4:48:52 AM PST by old patriot
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To: samtheman
China will wait until our forces are streatched much thinner. They will want to make sure that we won't be able to park 2 or 3 carrier battle groups in Taiwan's neighborhood for very long. This will probably happen in abour 5 or 6 years. They will want their beach head in Panama and Central America. I believe their plan us tied up with increased action in the middle east and then have their puppet in North Korea attack the south. With our forces engaged. Taiwan would possibly have to fend for itself.

The ones who should be really worried about China are the Russians. China isn't building a new, monster battle tank to Invade North Korea. In a few years, the Russian delivery systems for it's nuclear arsonal might be in such poor condition that their nuclear threat may not be much of a deterance anymore.
8 posted on 11/19/2003 4:52:26 AM PST by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: samtheman
As they say in Taiwan: Deng yi xia!

Actually in Taiwanese, it's Dan jit e ne!

9 posted on 11/19/2003 4:59:46 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: old patriot; All
The Military Space Service: Why It's Time Has Come*** As a relevant example, in recent Congressional Testimony, the Marine Corps has presented a compelling emerging need to overcome the constraints of thick air travel and non-permissive airspace for responsive expeditionary transport and insertion. As an emerging Joint requirement, it recognizes that Marine, SOCOM, and other Joint Forces will require heretofore-unimaginable assault support speed, range, and altitude in order to achieve strategic surprise in the future. The link to space is clear. It also illustrates how the Corps' vision of inevitable future Joint requirements are largely predictable through the projection of current technical possibilities, just as it was for General Billy Mitchell almost a century before. This should encourage a revisitation of a National Security Act that does not reflect the impact emerging NSS technological opportunities will have on the nature of warfare.

Conclusion

The existing cultural dilemma is unfair to the Department of the Air Force, and will lead to the delay of our national preparations for the comprehensive role that space will play in the future of warfare. Unlike America's energetic recovery and entrance into WWII, strategic surprise in the realm of NSS could cause damage to our national security from which we cannot recover. We will be wise to learn history's lessons and take the initiative, while we still have the initiative. Establishment of a Space Service now is a sound preparation for an uncertain, yet imaginable future.***

10 posted on 11/19/2003 5:19:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wai-ming; All
Does anyone here realy think China would risk the windfall it is now getting from its trade with the US ,EU and the rest of the world.Their present economy is dependant on this trade and by the way so is ours.I just don't see them going to war over Taiwan,it is not in their best interest.
11 posted on 11/19/2003 5:29:40 AM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: eastforker
Post #1: ***And the third stumbling block to the restoration of China's greatness is…….the United States. To the modern Chinese way of thinking, China's proper sphere of influence encompasses all of East Asia and the western Pacific. This does not mean that they necessarily want to invade and subjugate all the nations of that region, though they certainly do want to do just that to Taiwan and some groups of smaller islands. For Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Micronesia, etc., the old imperial-suzerainty model would do well enough, at least in the short term. These places could conduct their own internal affairs, so long as they acknowledged the overlordship of Beijing, and, above all, did not enter into alliances, nor even close friendships, with other powers.

Which, of course, too many of them have done, the competitor power in every case being the U.S. It is impossible to overstate how angry it makes the Chinese to think about all those American troops in Japan, Korea, and Guam, together with the U.S. Seventh Fleet steaming up and down in "Chinese" waters, and electronic reconnaissance planes like the EP-3 brought down on April 1 operating within listening distance of the mainland. If you tackle Chinese people on this, they usually say: "How would you feel if there were Chinese troops in Mexico and Jamaica, and Chinese planes flying up and down your coasts?" Leaving aside the fact that front companies for the Beijing regime now control both ends of the Panama Canal, as well as Freeport in the Bahamas, the answer is that the United States is a democracy of free people, whose government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, so that the wider America's influence spreads, the better for humanity: while China is a corrupt, brutish, and lawless despotism, the close containment of which is a pressing interest for the whole human race. One cannot, of course, expect Chinese people to be very receptive to this answer.

Or, indeed, to anything much we have to say on the subject of their increasing militant and assertive nationalism. We simply have no leverage here. It is no use trying to pretend that this is the face-saving ideology of a small leadership group, forced on an unwilling populace at gunpoint. The Chinese people respond eagerly to these ultra-nationalist appeals: That is precisely why the leadership makes them. Resentment of the U.S., and a determination to enforce Chinese hegemony in Asia, are well-nigh universal among modern mainland Chinese. These emotions trump any desire for constitutional government, however much people dislike the current regime for its corruption and incompetence. Find a mainlander, preferably one under the age of thirty, and ask him which of the following he would prefer: for the Communists to stay in power indefinitely, unreformed, but in full control of the "three T's" (Tibet, Turkestan, Taiwan); or a democratic, constitutional government without the three T's. His answer will depress you. You can even try this unhappy little experiment with dissidents: same answer. ***

12 posted on 11/19/2003 5:37:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wai-ming
Interesting.

But there's more Mandarin than Taiwanese.
13 posted on 11/20/2003 4:52:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Orangedog
Scary scenario. Can't be refuted. But it can be defended against, if we keep our wits about us regarding China and don't fall into the trap of thinking of them as an ally. They aren't.
14 posted on 11/20/2003 4:55:18 AM PST by samtheman
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To: NormsRevenge; ninenot; flamefront; Sawdring; Enemy Of The State; Jeff Head; brat; dalereed; ...
bump
15 posted on 11/20/2003 5:34:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: eastforker
Why do you assume that the PRC think like Western, globalist, liberals? We tend to overestimate the degree to which they depend on the outside world. They proved clearly since the Communists took over and many times before that they are perfectly fine with unplugging from the West. We are the ones with the downside, due to all of our outsourcing to the Pearl River and Shanghai, not them.
16 posted on 11/20/2003 6:44:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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