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Police find secret room in Michael Jackson raid
Extra TV ^ | 11/19/03 | Extra TV

Posted on 11/20/2003 3:29:24 PM PST by jimbo123

For 15 years, the Neverland ranch has been Michael Jackson's retreat from the world. But now, the walls are literally closing in on him. His fortune, his reputation, and his freedom are now at stake.

Now that a warrant is out for his arrest on multiple counts of sex abuse against a minor, Jackson's secret world is being exposed. And "Extra" is learning more dark secrets from behind the gates of Neverland.

At a stunning news conference, Santa Barbara sheriffs said they are in talks with Jackson's lawyers and negotiating for the international superstar to turn himself in.

Jackson family attorney Brian Oxman reveals to "Extra" what police found when they raided Jackson’s Neverland ranch. They found about one million pictures and thousands of videotapes, but Oxman insists that they are all innocent. He says, "They are looking at things which are the history of Michael Jackson. I don’t really think they know what they are looking for."

But "Extra" has learned about something else that police may have found at Neverland-- a secret room hidden behind the star's walk-in closet. It is a place few have seen because in it are photographs of bare-chested children, babies, toys, games, and even an autographed picture of actor Macauley Culkin signed, "Don't leave me alone in the house."

Jackson has reportedly hired attorney Mark Geragos, who worked for of Winona Ryder and Scott Peterson, to represent him. Meantime, Jackson's people have complained that the raid was carried out on the same day that his greatest hits album "Number Ones" came out, insinuating it was a publicity ploy by police. But the DA shot that theory down.

The rumors have swirled around Jackson since 1993 when sexual allegation charges were reportedly settled out of court. Then came last year's infamous baby dangling incident, followed by Jackson's stunning admission in the controversial documentary hosted by Martin Bashir.

Lorenzo Benet, a staff correspondent for People magazine says that if Jackson loses custody of his three children, his ex-wife Debby Rowe might be the next logical person to take over.

Benet says, "Now Debbie has said in the past that she didn't really have these children to be a mother but legally she is the mother. So in that situation, I think that she would probably have first shot at getting the kids."


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To: lonevoice
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101 posted on 11/20/2003 5:04:59 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: Domestic Church
Hey, what Clinton did was not really sex anyways. OH NO they go me! (/s)
102 posted on 11/20/2003 5:05:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
You couldnt find 12 democrats in Washington DC who would find clinton guilty anyways, no matter what he did. It only takes one democrat to say not guilty for clinton to get off even if he went to trial.
103 posted on 11/20/2003 5:08:33 PM PST by waterstraat
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To: ValerieUSA
The Home Alone star may have signed all of his publicity photos that way.

I'm sure we'll find out when all the Culkin boys are subpoenaed.

104 posted on 11/20/2003 5:12:34 PM PST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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To: Timesink
Why would they be subpoenaed?
105 posted on 11/20/2003 5:13:36 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
character witness? To testify that sleep meant sleep?
106 posted on 11/20/2003 5:17:07 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: ErnBatavia
What's black, white and orange and screams like a bitch?

Michael in prison at lights out time.

107 posted on 11/20/2003 5:17:16 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: longtermmemmory
Is it well known that Jackson and Culkin are good friends?
108 posted on 11/20/2003 5:18:42 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: longtermmemmory
http://www.nbc4.com/entertainment/1960061/detail.html

OMG!
109 posted on 11/20/2003 5:20:10 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: spectre
Just keep in mind that Geragos couldn't even get Winona off her shoplifting rap. I think he's overrated.
110 posted on 11/20/2003 5:20:27 PM PST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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To: shaggy eel
Reminds me of the item on another thread, cracked me up.

What does Jocko have in common with JC Penney stores?
On weekends, little boys pants are half off!

111 posted on 11/20/2003 5:24:13 PM PST by roadcat
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To: microgood
Yes. Since I support the ultimate penalty (it really isn't a penalty, since everybody gets it) for this offense, I have a high standard of proof.

Being falsely accused of pedophilia will ruin anyone's life.
112 posted on 11/20/2003 5:26:51 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: Timesink
"Just keep in mind that Geragos couldn't even get Winona off her shoplifting rap. I think he's overrated."

AND overpaid.

sw

113 posted on 11/20/2003 5:26:52 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Saundra Duffy
For some reason - and don't ask me why - I have the feeling that Michael Jackson is being set up. Of course, I could be dead wrong.

This man has gotten away with child molestation for 20 years. I remember reading about him sleeping with children in an article about his lifestyle way before the last charges 10 years ago.

No one made him simulate masturbation on the stage, no one made him brag to the world how he loved sleeping with children and nothing would be done about it, no one had him pay a woman to have children so he could have them to himself, no one told him to dangle a baby over the railing for his fans, no one told him to cover his children with veils when they are in the public, no one told him to pay off the last child with 20 million dollars, no one told him to keep a secret room with pictures of children without shirts on.

The only ones who have been set up is the American public into believing this is a child-like man. He is a conniving child molestor with plenty of money to hide his crimes and sometimes even flaunt his attitude by telling us he sleeps with young boys and pretending it is all innocent.

He has all the signs of a child molestor. He sets up his whole estate to entice children and pretends he does it for the kids.

I for one am glad he was finally hauled off to jail, but with people believing him, I'm beginning to believe he may very well get away with his crimes even though he flaunts it in our faces.

114 posted on 11/20/2003 5:27:40 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: marajade
years ago after his movie came out they were hanging out together.
115 posted on 11/20/2003 5:27:41 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: roadcat
,,, ha! Good one. Now's the time to clean this situation up. There's a track record and the cops have obviously got enough for an arrest. To quote a real prime abuser, "it's for the children."
116 posted on 11/20/2003 5:28:03 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: longtermmemmory
I had absolutely no idea.
117 posted on 11/20/2003 5:28:30 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: longtermmemmory
After all the leaks in the Peterson case, it wouldn't surprise me if Geragos leaked this to the so-called press, knowing that anything the investigators may have found in the secret room were as harmless as the Geddes pics.

Oh well, it's all guessin' at this point. I just hope there is some way they can get those 3 kids out of his home. One would think that the local Child Welfare agents will be visiting the children-wherever they may be-very soon.

Wish the mother of the accuser would get charged with child endangerment, but suppose she made her own deal with LE.

118 posted on 11/20/2003 5:29:18 PM PST by uvular
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To: longtermmemmory
Gotta agree with you there.

Like the Smart movie...should never have been released and aired before the trial of the perps. The trial shouldn't take place in the media.
119 posted on 11/20/2003 5:29:45 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: FR_addict
who was the guy who dressed like a clown and killed little boys? Gasey?
120 posted on 11/20/2003 5:30:33 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
I believe his name was John Wayne Gacy
121 posted on 11/20/2003 5:33:10 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: SQUID
If he is guilty he can't play the race card

Well, yer rute about that...But he can play the gender card.

What an American success story, a poor Black kid grows up to be a rich white woman...

122 posted on 11/20/2003 5:36:34 PM PST by Syncro
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To: ChemistCat
"Being falsely accused of pedophilia will ruin anyone's life."

True..but consider that in the real world most anyone else booked on child abuse charges would find their OWN children immediately removed from their care.

Am I wrong?

sw

123 posted on 11/20/2003 5:36:38 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: jimbo123
Now Debbie has said in the past that she didn't really have these children to be a mother but legally she is the mother.

Okay, I don't follow these things: just why did she have these children? Just to service a pedophile? Doesn't that make her an accomplice? (Okay, different children from the current case, but....) Doesn't sound like a candidate for custody in my book.

124 posted on 11/20/2003 5:36:40 PM PST by LimitedPowers (Citizenship is not a Hate Crime!)
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To: spectre
not in the slightest. In fact in divorce cases, the accusation, no matter how unfounded, is a sure way to loose your children. It has gotten so bad that in highly contested cases, the accusation is made as a matter of course. All efforts by judges to curtail the abuse have been futile.
125 posted on 11/20/2003 5:39:54 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: waterstraat
It's the context that is key here. You as a parent probably have many bare chested photos of your children in your photo album or wallet. Now what if you were a 45 year old single man with children and had a "secret" room with photos of bare chested children on the wall (not his own, what if this man enjoyed sleepovers with children....
126 posted on 11/20/2003 5:42:45 PM PST by Queen Jadis
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To: spectre
No. In fact, I assumed he wouldn't be permitted around his children. I'm shocked that wasn't part of the deal he made when he turned himself in. The prosecutor must have tried. Good Grief.
127 posted on 11/20/2003 5:42:52 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: jimbo123
"Do normal people hang photos like this in secret rooms behind their walk-in closet?"

Absoluetly not. Its where we keep the guns and ammo.
128 posted on 11/20/2003 5:44:26 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
what do you bet he has no photos of attractive women on his walls!
129 posted on 11/20/2003 5:45:48 PM PST by Queen Jadis
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To: FR_addict
I wonder how kids find out about MJ and his Neverland ranch. They're not all 'referrals' from the Make a Wish Foundation, are they?

I've been trying to remember the last hit song he had here in the US. I wonder if it's not the parents that are the fans of him more than their kids.

Not trying to excuse any actions of MJ. I would think kids would like to hang out with a musician or actor that is popular in their era, not their parents'.

130 posted on 11/20/2003 5:48:19 PM PST by uvular
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To: jimbo123
Benet says, "Now Debbie has said in the past that she didn't really have these children to be a mother but legally she is the mother. So in that situation, I think that she would probably have first shot at getting the kids."

Pathetic. Makes you wonder why Michael would want small children as a single man.

131 posted on 11/20/2003 5:49:03 PM PST by streetpreacher
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To: FR_addict
Well stated friend, but try telling it to the "innocent until proven guilty" mobs who have convinced themselves that nothing happened until some 12 people chosen for their gullibility say it did happen. And so, since O.J. was found "not guilty", we must assume that his ex-wife had not been murdered!

I've just about had it with these half-witted TV drama legalisms that have infected our daily life. The death of common sense indeed!

132 posted on 11/20/2003 5:49:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Far out, man, heavy!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I agree. I don't know why.

It just seems somthing is wrong.
133 posted on 11/20/2003 5:49:47 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Queen Jadis
Elizabeth Taylor in her prime.
134 posted on 11/20/2003 5:50:04 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: Queen Jadis
Know this is a serious subject, but I thought you were going to end your thoughts with: ....you might be a pedophile, ala Foxworthy!
135 posted on 11/20/2003 5:51:39 PM PST by uvular
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To: WhiteGuy
If he is guilty he can't play the race card.

- - His brother, in a public statement, refered to the arrest as a "modern day lynching" - -

Race card in play..................

Wonder if the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, etc. will demand an apology as they have from Sen. Miller?

136 posted on 11/20/2003 5:52:18 PM PST by streetpreacher
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To: waterstraat
Can someone tell me what is wrong with photos of bare chested children?

Have you had one developed at the drugstore lately? They've been known to call the cops.

137 posted on 11/20/2003 5:54:20 PM PST by TechJunkYard
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To: longtermmemmory
Elizabeth Taylor was incredibly beautiful in Cleopatra. One of most favorite DVDs.
138 posted on 11/20/2003 5:56:21 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: SQUID
But his family members were screaming today on CNN that this arrest amounts to another modern-day lynching. Is that a racial statement maybe?
139 posted on 11/20/2003 5:57:12 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (RATS are traitors!)
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To: Calvin Locke
Hey, the Green Hornet had a secret passage in his walk-in closet. Supposedly, to get to the Black Beauty./// Although, I do recall a episode where he did break in to a little girl's bedroom one night.

No Problem...KATO, (Bruce Lee) was there to protect, The Green Hornet (Guy Williams). :/

140 posted on 11/20/2003 5:58:03 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: marajade
yes she was quite the hottie.

Wonder is she is standing by her buddy now.
141 posted on 11/20/2003 5:59:10 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: TechJunkYard
What do you think is the cut-off where it becomes unacceptable?

Like the age of consent, it has gone down over the years. Most of us in our thirties and older have one in our babybook, perhaps as late as age 5 or so. I didn't take any of my kids after about age 1, and I'd be very leery to do so at all now, even of a newborn. You never know about other people any more.

Naked babies are still CUTE. And toddlers too. But we know there are people who find them something other than cute, and so it's not simple anymore. :-(

Once again, we lose ground to the bad guys...we are the ones hiding behind locked doors, while they own and pervert the streets, the sidewalks, the TV, the newspapers...even our backyards and photo albums.

142 posted on 11/20/2003 6:00:09 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: BossLady
ping
143 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:54 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: Saundra Duffy
Check out
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjcivil.html
before you make up your mind. It goes in to detail exactly what that pervert did to the boy whose parents settled for $20M.

But be patient... The traffic on that site is HEAVY tonight.
144 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:06 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: ChemistCat
It is the intent to achieve orgasm that makes it illegal. At least illegal until the homosexuals achieve their desired change in the law.
145 posted on 11/20/2003 6:09:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: jimbo123
I hear Rosie O'Donnell and Paula Poundstone are in the market for some fresh adopted children.

Paula Poundstone stepping out of the shower: "I feel like a kid again."
146 posted on 11/20/2003 6:13:14 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: longtermmemmory
I read that a man can teach himself to be aroused by viewing pictures of used tires while stimulating himself, twelve times in a row.

It's kind of scary when you think of how much teen porn is apparently around (or at least, how much is being pushed in spam)--all those people training themselves to be turned on by pictures of innocent children, and immature genitals and minds which would be damaged by any acting out of those fantasies.

It's not something that anyone is born with. I'm not sure if homosexuality is innate or acquired, but I'm positive that attraction to immature humans is 100% acquired.
147 posted on 11/20/2003 6:16:08 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: george wythe
These look more like the good old fashioned kind of leak: beer. Cops hang out in particular bars, journalists that cover cops also hang out in those bars, poor a couple beers in one of the cops and eventually the cop will utter the money sentence: "you wouldn't believe the sh!t we found." People that know stuff other people don't, especially really interesting far out stuff, they WANT to tell it. One of the oldest rules of social engineering is that the fastest way to get somebody to blab something is to tell them it's a secret. In high profile strange cases like this you'll get a lot of these leaks for about 2 weeks after the arrest, then it dries up as the number of people "in the know" drops too low to be able to blab without getting in trouble.
148 posted on 11/20/2003 6:16:53 PM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: ChemistCat
Use common sense for a minute. The cops aren't going to bring "multiple counts" of child molestation against a famous millionaire unless they have a good deal of corroborated evidence.

The issue here isn't about pajama parties and sleep overs. It's about child molestation. People can dress that up all they want but all they're doing is obsfucating the most predatory, heinous, socially-destructive acts possible against an individual.

149 posted on 11/20/2003 6:21:57 PM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: jimbo123
I agree if they prove something this time around. But I think the guy is an asexual freak living in some dreamland trying to recapture his childhood.

He may be the father of those kids he throws off balconies but there is no way there was physical pentration with his sex organ with the mother

Had to be medical science or something!
150 posted on 11/20/2003 6:22:54 PM PST by Captiva (DVC & GO BUCKEYES!)
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