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HOUSE PASSES MEDICARE DRUG BILL
fox news ^ | Nov 23, 2003

Posted on 11/22/2003 3:22:08 AM PST by RobFromGa

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON — The Republican (search)-controlled House tentatively approved sweeping Medicare (search) drug bill early Saturday in an epic struggle settled near dawn. The vote was 220-215.

The vote capped an extraordinary roll call that began at 3 a.m. and dragged on for roughly three hours before the GOP leadership could overcome a rebellion by conservatives in their own ranks and the nearly unanimous opposition of Democrats (search).


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: healthcare; immigration; medicare; prescriptiondrugs; rollcall
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1 posted on 11/22/2003 3:22:09 AM PST by RobFromGa
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To: RobFromGa
Oh no... I need to quickly short all my cat and dog food stocks since sales will now plummet.
2 posted on 11/22/2003 3:30:50 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
I thought those damn biscuits my brother fed me when I was a kid were pretty good. It was the "sucking the raw egg" out of the shell that bothered me. BUT I DID IT ANYWAY!!
3 posted on 11/22/2003 3:34:28 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: RobFromGa
Lyndon B. Bush
4 posted on 11/22/2003 3:51:42 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: RobFromGa
"The Republican-controlled House"

So, even Fox does it?

When the Satancrats had the House and Senate, they were merely "the House" and "the Senate." With Pubbies in the majority, they have become "the Republican-controlled House" and "the Republican-controlled Senate."

If the Republicans fritter away their support through moral cowardice and lose the majority, do you suppose they'll become "the Democrat-controlled House" and "the Democrat-controlled Senate?"

When pigs fly.
5 posted on 11/22/2003 4:02:56 AM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
I think a new trend should start, 'work for prescription drugs'. I am a bonified old coot and believe me, over my working years I have paid a bundle into SS and its about time they give us a helping hand, look what they do for the medicade bunch.
6 posted on 11/22/2003 4:09:36 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: gulfcoast6
Post # 6......BUMP!!!
7 posted on 11/22/2003 4:24:51 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: RobFromGa
Also included in this bill:

Medicare legislation moving through Congress would give hospitals at least $1 billion over the next four years to cover the spiraling costs of providing emergency services for undocumented immigrants.

Jon Kyl, R-Arizona authored the original legislation to reimburse hospitals, and he persuaded lawmakers to include the money in the $395 billion Medicare bill. He was among a small group of lawmakers who negotiated the controversial bill.


8 posted on 11/22/2003 4:30:14 AM PST by getgoing
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To: RobFromGa
Shame.

As I have noted elsewhere, even the loyal Bushbots seem absent in the rationalizations on this monstrosity.
9 posted on 11/22/2003 4:36:49 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: RJCogburn
I don't think it will pass the Senate. The DUers are going to flood the Senate Democreeps with e-mails protesting this Bill. The Democreeps in the Senate are probably not going to pass this.
10 posted on 11/22/2003 4:37:59 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
The Democreeps in the Senate are probably not going to pass this.

The Republicans, led by GWB, have sunk so low, at least on this bill, that we have to count on the dems to save us.

Clearly something wrong with this picture.

11 posted on 11/22/2003 4:47:41 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: RJCogburn
I am wondering how they could hold the vote open for 2 hours and 50 minutes until they got enough Republicans to change their vote?

It was supposed to be a 15 minute vote with 2 extra minutes.

The vote was- yea 216/nay 218 for almost 3 hours.
12 posted on 11/22/2003 4:50:06 AM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: RJCogburn
LOL True
13 posted on 11/22/2003 4:57:26 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: RJCogburn
The Republicans, led by GWB, have sunk so low, at least on this bill, that we have to count on the dems to save us. Clearly something wrong with this picture.

Yeah really. You know that the world has turned upside down when conservatives are routing for a Dem victory and the AARP is shilling for Republicans.

14 posted on 11/22/2003 5:09:24 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Lyndon B. Bush

No kidding! First, after 9/11 he creates a whole new bureaucracy with the "Office of Homeland Security". Then he pushes through the so-called "Patriot Act" that does more to trample on the individual rights of citizens than it does to quell illegal aliens from entering this country. (It's the borders, George) Next, we have good 'ole Teddy Kennedy authoring Bush's education bill, nothing more than a gift to the NEA. Now, we have this boondoggle.

If you're under 45 get ready to empty your wallet.....

Jeez, with "Conservatives" like these, who needs Liberals?

15 posted on 11/22/2003 5:49:35 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: RobFromGa
How does the future privatizaton fit in here?
16 posted on 11/22/2003 5:59:18 AM PST by Principled
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To: areafiftyone
The DUers are going to flood the Senate Democreeps with e-mails protesting this Bill. The Democreeps in the Senate are probably not going to pass this.

Go DU? Rah, rah rah?!?

I'm so conflicted!!! ;^)

17 posted on 11/22/2003 6:00:01 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: RJCogburn
Since not one in a hundred here on FR has read the bill and knows many of the details (including me) I will reserve judgement for now. One thing though, if the Democrats were all against it there has to be some redeeming qualities to it. We'll see...
18 posted on 11/22/2003 6:15:30 AM PST by Russ
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To: RobFromGa
Is the yeas and nays tally available yet?
19 posted on 11/22/2003 6:37:47 AM PST by SMGFan
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To: RobFromGa
But House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said seniors know that her party gave birth to Medicare during the Great Society, adding, "we want to protect it and strengthen it. America's seniors have also known where Republicans stand, for four decades they have waged war on Medicare."

She's got part of that right. Dems will always get credit for this program. No matter how much we try, we can't out spend the libs.

20 posted on 11/22/2003 6:39:39 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: AAABEST
Lyndon B. Bush

Same state.

21 posted on 11/22/2003 6:40:01 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: carenot
I am wondering how they could hold the vote open for 2 hours and 50 minutes until they got enough Republicans to change their vote?

Congressional rules are meant to be waived.

22 posted on 11/22/2003 6:40:39 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Principled
How does the future privatizaton fit in here?

It's been watered down to a 6 state or city 'demonstration' project which isn't scheduled to start until 2010 I believe.

23 posted on 11/22/2003 6:42:02 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Russ
The Democrats are against it because:

1. It isn't enough government expansion for them, and
2. It's an opportunity to grandstand by telling seniors that the greedy GOP will only steal $400 billion to pay for their drugs, while the Dems will steal far more

Make no mistake. There is no redeeming quality in this bill.

24 posted on 11/22/2003 6:42:06 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: RJCogburn
As I have noted elsewhere, even the loyal Bushbots seem absent in the rationalizations on this monstrosity.

This bill is so damaging, there's simply no way to spin it in a positive light. Therefore, they'll simply avoid it altogether...

25 posted on 11/22/2003 6:53:59 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: getgoing
Medicare legislation moving through Congress would give hospitals at least $1 billion over the next four years to cover the spiraling costs of providing emergency services for undocumented immigrants.

And the people coming in from Mexico for their free health care don't even need to be older --- this Medicare money is to include children, labor and delivery, injuries they suffered in Mexico --- and the $1 billion is just for the emergency room care --- they still need treatment and rehab after the emergency part is over.

26 posted on 11/22/2003 7:01:25 AM PST by FITZ
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To: SMGFan
H R 1 YEA-AND-NAY 22-NOV-2003 5:53 AM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Conference Report
BILL TITLE: Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act


YEAS NAYS PRES NV
REPUBLICAN 204 25
DEMOCRATIC 16 189
INDEPENDENT 1
TOTALS 220 215



--- YEAS 220 ---
Aderholt Gilchrest Ose
Alexander Gillmor Otter
Bachus Gingrey Oxley
Baker Goode Pearce
Ballenger Goodlatte Peterson (MN)
Bartlett (MD) Goss Peterson (PA)
Barton (TX) Granger Petri
Bass Graves Pickering
Beauprez Green (WI) Pitts
Bereuter Greenwood Platts
Biggert Hall Pombo
Bilirakis Harris Pomeroy
Bishop (UT) Hart Porter
Blackburn Hastert Portman
Blunt Hastings (WA) Pryce (OH)
Boehlert Hayes Putnam
Boehner Hayworth Quinn
Bonilla Hefley Radanovich
Bonner Hensarling Ramstad
Bono Herger Regula
Boozman Hobson Rehberg
Boucher Hoekstra Renzi
Boyd Houghton Reynolds
Bradley (NH) Hulshof Rogers (AL)
Brady (TX) Hunter Rogers (KY)
Brown (SC) Hyde Rogers (MI)
Brown-Waite, Ginny Isakson Rohrabacher
Burgess Issa Ros-Lehtinen
Burns Istook Royce
Burr Janklow Ryan (WI)
Buyer Jenkins Saxton
Calvert John Schrock
Camp Johnson (CT) Scott (GA)
Cannon Johnson (IL) Sensenbrenner
Cantor Johnson, Sam Sessions
Capito Keller Shaw
Carson (OK) Kelly Shays
Carter Kennedy (MN) Sherwood
Castle King (IA) Shimkus
Chocola King (NY) Shuster
Coble Kingston Simmons
Cole Kirk Simpson
Collins Kline Smith (NJ)
Cox Knollenberg Smith (TX)
Cramer Kolbe Souder
Crane LaHood Stearns
Crenshaw Latham Stenholm
Cubin LaTourette Sullivan
Cunningham Leach Sweeney
Davis (TN) Lewis (CA) Tauzin
Davis, Jo Ann Lewis (KY) Taylor (NC)
Davis, Tom Linder Terry
Deal (GA) LoBiondo Thomas
DeLay Lucas (OK) Thornberry
Diaz-Balart, L. Manzullo Tiahrt
Diaz-Balart, M. Marshall Tiberi
Dooley (CA) Matheson Turner (OH)
Doolittle McCotter Upton
Dreier McCrery Vitter
Duncan McHugh Walden (OR)
Dunn McInnis Walsh
Ehlers McKeon Weldon (FL)
English Mica Weldon (PA)
Everett Miller (MI) Weller
Ferguson Miller, Gary Whitfield
Fletcher Murphy Wicker
Foley Myrick Wilson (NM)
Forbes Nethercutt Wilson (SC)
Fossella Neugebauer Wolf
Franks (AZ) Ney Wu
Frelinghuysen Northup Young (AK)
Gallegly Nunes Young (FL)
Gerlach Nussle
Gibbons Osborne

--- NAYS 215 ---
Abercrombie Grijalva Neal (MA)
Ackerman Gutierrez Norwood
Akin Gutknecht Oberstar
Allen Harman Obey
Andrews Hastings (FL) Olver
Baca Hill Ortiz
Baird Hinchey Owens
Baldwin Hinojosa Pallone
Ballance Hoeffel Pascrell
Barrett (SC) Holden Pastor
Becerra Holt Paul
Bell Honda Payne
Berkley Hooley (OR) Pelosi
Berman Hostettler Pence
Berry Hoyer Price (NC)
Bishop (GA) Inslee Rahall
Bishop (NY) Israel Rangel
Blumenauer Jackson (IL) Reyes
Boswell Jackson-Lee (TX) Rodriguez
Brady (PA) Jefferson Ross
Brown (OH) Johnson, E. B. Rothman
Brown, Corrine Jones (NC) Roybal-Allard
Burton (IN) Jones (OH) Ruppersberger
Capps Kanjorski Rush
Capuano Kaptur Ryan (OH)
Cardin Kennedy (RI) Ryun (KS)
Cardoza Kildee Sabo
Carson (IN) Kilpatrick Sanchez, Linda T.
Case Kind Sanchez, Loretta
Chabot Kleczka Sanders
Clay Kucinich Sandlin
Clyburn Lampson Schakowsky
Conyers Langevin Schiff
Cooper Lantos Scott (VA)
Costello Larsen (WA) Serrano
Crowley Larson (CT) Shadegg
Culberson Lee Sherman
Cummings Levin Skelton
Davis (AL) Lewis (GA) Slaughter
Davis (CA) Lipinski Smith (MI)
Davis (FL) Lofgren Smith (WA)
Davis (IL) Lowey Snyder
DeFazio Lucas (KY) Solis
DeGette Lynch Spratt
Delahunt Majette Stark
DeLauro Maloney Strickland
DeMint Markey Stupak
Deutsch Matsui Tancredo
Dicks McCarthy (MO) Tanner
Dingell McCarthy (NY) Tauscher
Doggett McCollum Taylor (MS)
Doyle McDermott Thompson (CA)
Edwards McGovern Thompson (MS)
Emanuel McIntyre Tierney
Emerson McNulty Toomey
Engel Meehan Towns
Eshoo Meek (FL) Turner (TX)
Etheridge Meeks (NY) Udall (CO)
Evans Menendez Udall (NM)
Farr Michaud Van Hollen
Fattah Millender-McDonald Velazquez
Feeney Miller (FL) Visclosky
Filner Miller (NC) Wamp
Flake Miller, George Waters
Ford Mollohan Watson
Frank (MA) Moore Watt
Frost Moran (KS) Waxman
Garrett (NJ) Moran (VA) Weiner
Gephardt Murtha Wexler
Gonzalez Musgrave Woolsey
Gordon Nadler Wynn
Green (TX) Napolitano




27 posted on 11/22/2003 7:02:40 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: RobFromGa
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 669
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 1     YEA-AND-NAY     22-NOV-2003   5:53 AM
      QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Conference Report
      BILL TITLE:  Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act

YEAS NAYS PRES NV
REPUBLICAN 204 25    
DEMOCRATIC 16 189    
INDEPENDENT   1    
TOTALS 220 215    

--- YEAS    220 ---

Aderholt Gilchrest Ose
Alexander Gillmor Otter
Bachus Gingrey Oxley
Baker Goode Pearce
Ballenger Goodlatte Peterson (MN)
Bartlett (MD) Goss Peterson (PA)
Barton (TX) Granger Petri
Bass Graves Pickering
Beauprez Green (WI) Pitts
Bereuter Greenwood Platts
Biggert Hall Pombo
Bilirakis Harris Pomeroy
Bishop (UT) Hart Porter
Blackburn Hastert Portman
Blunt Hastings (WA) Pryce (OH)
Boehlert Hayes Putnam
Boehner Hayworth Quinn
Bonilla Hefley Radanovich
Bonner Hensarling Ramstad
Bono Herger Regula
Boozman Hobson Rehberg
Boucher Hoekstra Renzi
Boyd Houghton Reynolds
Bradley (NH) Hulshof Rogers (AL)
Brady (TX) Hunter Rogers (KY)
Brown (SC) Hyde Rogers (MI)
Brown-Waite, Ginny Isakson Rohrabacher
Burgess Issa Ros-Lehtinen
Burns Istook Royce
Burr Janklow Ryan (WI)
Buyer Jenkins Saxton
Calvert John Schrock
Camp Johnson (CT) Scott (GA)
Cannon Johnson (IL) Sensenbrenner
Cantor Johnson, Sam Sessions
Capito Keller Shaw
Carson (OK) Kelly Shays
Carter Kennedy (MN) Sherwood
Castle King (IA) Shimkus
Chocola King (NY) Shuster
Coble Kingston Simmons
Cole Kirk Simpson
Collins Kline Smith (NJ)
Cox Knollenberg Smith (TX)
Cramer Kolbe Souder
Crane LaHood Stearns
Crenshaw Latham Stenholm
Cubin LaTourette Sullivan
Cunningham Leach Sweeney
Davis (TN) Lewis (CA) Tauzin
Davis, Jo Ann Lewis (KY) Taylor (NC)
Davis, Tom Linder Terry
Deal (GA) LoBiondo Thomas
DeLay Lucas (OK) Thornberry
Diaz-Balart, L. Manzullo Tiahrt
Diaz-Balart, M. Marshall Tiberi
Dooley (CA) Matheson Turner (OH)
Doolittle McCotter Upton
Dreier McCrery Vitter
Duncan McHugh Walden (OR)
Dunn McInnis Walsh
Ehlers McKeon Weldon (FL)
English Mica Weldon (PA)
Everett Miller (MI) Weller
Ferguson Miller, Gary Whitfield
Fletcher Murphy Wicker
Foley Myrick Wilson (NM)
Forbes Nethercutt Wilson (SC)
Fossella Neugebauer Wolf
Franks (AZ) Ney Wu
Frelinghuysen Northup Young (AK)
Gallegly Nunes Young (FL)
Gerlach Nussle
Gibbons Osborne
--- NAYS    215 ---

Abercrombie Grijalva Neal (MA)
Ackerman Gutierrez Norwood
Akin Gutknecht Oberstar
Allen Harman Obey
Andrews Hastings (FL) Olver
Baca Hill Ortiz
Baird Hinchey Owens
Baldwin Hinojosa Pallone
Ballance Hoeffel Pascrell
Barrett (SC) Holden Pastor
Becerra Holt Paul
Bell Honda Payne
Berkley Hooley (OR) Pelosi
Berman Hostettler Pence
Berry Hoyer Price (NC)
Bishop (GA) Inslee Rahall
Bishop (NY) Israel Rangel
Blumenauer Jackson (IL) Reyes
Boswell Jackson-Lee (TX) Rodriguez
Brady (PA) Jefferson Ross
Brown (OH) Johnson, E. B. Rothman
Brown, Corrine Jones (NC) Roybal-Allard
Burton (IN) Jones (OH) Ruppersberger
Capps Kanjorski Rush
Capuano Kaptur Ryan (OH)
Cardin Kennedy (RI) Ryun (KS)
Cardoza Kildee Sabo
Carson (IN) Kilpatrick Sanchez, Linda T.
Case Kind Sanchez, Loretta
Chabot Kleczka Sanders
Clay Kucinich Sandlin
Clyburn Lampson Schakowsky
Conyers Langevin Schiff
Cooper Lantos Scott (VA)
Costello Larsen (WA) Serrano
Crowley Larson (CT) Shadegg
Culberson Lee Sherman
Cummings Levin Skelton
Davis (AL) Lewis (GA) Slaughter
Davis (CA) Lipinski Smith (MI)
Davis (FL) Lofgren Smith (WA)
Davis (IL) Lowey Snyder
DeFazio Lucas (KY) Solis
DeGette Lynch Spratt
Delahunt Majette Stark
DeLauro Maloney Strickland
DeMint Markey Stupak
Deutsch Matsui Tancredo
Dicks McCarthy (MO) Tanner
Dingell McCarthy (NY) Tauscher
Doggett McCollum Taylor (MS)
Doyle McDermott Thompson (CA)
Edwards McGovern Thompson (MS)
Emanuel McIntyre Tierney
Emerson McNulty Toomey
Engel Meehan Towns
Eshoo Meek (FL) Turner (TX)
Etheridge Meeks (NY) Udall (CO)
Evans Menendez Udall (NM)
Farr Michaud Van Hollen
Fattah Millender-McDonald Velazquez
Feeney Miller (FL) Visclosky
Filner Miller (NC) Wamp
Flake Miller, George Waters
Ford Mollohan Watson
Frank (MA) Moore Watt
Frost Moran (KS) Waxman
Garrett (NJ) Moran (VA) Weiner
Gephardt Murtha Wexler
Gonzalez Musgrave Woolsey
Gordon Nadler Wynn
Green (TX) Napolitano



28 posted on 11/22/2003 7:09:48 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: RJCogburn
... count on the dems to save us ...

My thoughts exactly!!!

g

29 posted on 11/22/2003 7:11:29 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: NittanyLion
Nice to see that Specter-opponent Pat Toomey voted against this abomination.
30 posted on 11/22/2003 7:11:35 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: RobFromGa
But House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said seniors know that her party gave birth to Medicare during the Great Society,

Pride in giving birth among the Democrats? I never thought I'd see this day!

31 posted on 11/22/2003 7:12:10 AM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: davidosborne
this will pass...Dubya thinks he needs this more than a conservative judiciary..if you get my drift..
32 posted on 11/22/2003 7:12:55 AM PST by mo
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To: FITZ
Yes! There is an entire thread on the $1 billion for ILLEGAL ALIEN medical care!! Keep reminding the threads of this!!

I am so ashamed of AZ's Jon Kyl for authoring this part of that monstrosity!

g in AZ

33 posted on 11/22/2003 7:19:37 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: All
Perhaps the idea of Bushbots who blindly rubber-stamp any and everything the President says and does is just a myth perpetuated by those who hardly approve of anything the President does at all.

Just because some people will vigorously defend President Bush on some issues (and his overall character and integrity) doesn't mean that they don't disagree with his stance on other matters.

But I doubt that the anti-Bushes will take note of this ... or remember it later. It punctures holes in their mythology.

34 posted on 11/22/2003 7:27:22 AM PST by kayak (The Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy is truly Vast! [JohnHuang2])
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To: RobFromGa
Let's not misunderestimate Dubya. This is the perfect set up for the dems to filibuster.... AGAIN!
35 posted on 11/22/2003 7:31:32 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: dsc
When Republicans expand socialism, what does it matter who controls the House? When Republicans steal freedom or property, what does it matter who controls the House?

If this becomes law, I will not be voting for Republicans or Democrats. Socialism is unconstitutional. I will not vote for politicians who support the unconstitutional taking of freedom or property. Neither should you.
36 posted on 11/22/2003 7:37:57 AM PST by Reagan Renaissance
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To: OldFriend
Let's not misunderestimate Dubya. This is the perfect set up for the dems to filibuster.... AGAIN

The Democrats will grumble and complain that this is the best they can do, and it's better than nothing. They'll tell seniors that had they been in power this bill would be far larger, and blame the GOP for their stinginess. We'll have zero political benefit from this, because the Dems will always promise to outspend the GOP. But a little more money will be stolen from me every paycheck, thanks to the Republican Party.

37 posted on 11/22/2003 7:42:25 AM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: dsc
Yesterday a Fox bimbo (as oppposed to the beautiful and talented Molly ) repeatedly said Mr bush and Prime Minister Blair in the same sentence several times.
38 posted on 11/22/2003 7:42:59 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: Thermalseeker
....he creates a whole new bureaucracy with the "Office of Homeland Security.....

This is not a true statement. What was actually accomplished was the amalgamation of existing bureaucracies and the potential for rif ing redundant workers. Recall if you will that the Rats fought tooth and nail to support the unions who were going to be hurt as a result.
39 posted on 11/22/2003 7:47:39 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: ClintonBeGone
All the GOP needs to do is get credit shared, not even 50-50. That muddies the water enough to take that issue away from the Demos -- much like Clinton on law/order with his 1000 cops.
40 posted on 11/22/2003 7:51:57 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Reagan Renaissance
Republicrats and the Democracons,
take your pick.
...Jeez, the Libertarians aren't looking so looney now. :(
41 posted on 11/22/2003 7:53:31 AM PST by CMClay
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To: bert
But it sounds so much better for the unappeasables.
42 posted on 11/22/2003 7:54:02 AM PST by CWOJackson (We now return you to the regularly scheduled cop bashing...)
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To: Teacher317
I am split with this bill

I don't like the cost and absolutely do not like the "potential costs"..

I don't like the lack of private options in the Bill (a test in 2010 is just too lame for my taste)

but..

I like the increase fundings in the poorest or the poor
increase fundings in the rural regions
and absolutely like to see the dims going nuts about AARP desserting them

for 2004 - it may/mayhelp the prez's election -

if the economy is good with steady jobs creation (wich i think it will) plus Iraq getting better (which I think it will), Bush maynot need the Medicare Bill at all - one thing for certain, no matter how hard the dems will argue about the contents of the bill, next april, every seniors will get a card and get immediate 15% or so in drug discounts, and he can run around the country and say, look "I get you this discount", the dems will be in the pickle jar...

as for filibuster in the senate, I heard somewhere that Dasshole will not support the move - I know Ken Conrad is for the Bill (from North Dakota), maybe there are more than 60 votes in the senate for the bill, thus making filibuster a moot pt.

If the Bill is passed, the only strategy the dims can play is look, there are this and that in the bill and you may not like it, but heck, we will fix it for you, and the Republicans won't...but this is a far cry to implement the fullblown dims sponsored free-for-all bill and use that as the #1 issue in 04 should the economy and iraq is sorta off the table...

43 posted on 11/22/2003 8:13:06 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: NittanyLion
The Democrats will grumble and complain that this is the best they can do, and it's better than nothing. They'll tell seniors that had they been in power this bill would be far larger, and blame the GOP for their stinginess. We'll have zero political benefit from this, because the Dems will always promise to outspend the GOP. But a little more money will be stolen from me every paycheck, thanks to the Republican Party.

Exactly right. This is a sad day for conservatives. Granny should pay for her own damn drugs!

44 posted on 11/22/2003 8:14:16 AM PST by petercooper (Proud VRWC Neanderthal)
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To: CWOJackson
I checked over at DU...they are furious because Bush will get credit for giving seniors prescription drugs. That makes me happy. I think this passage is a win for Bush even though we have a few disgruntled conservatives here. Bush delivered to seniors...clinton didn't. Period.
45 posted on 11/22/2003 8:17:41 AM PST by Wait4Truth
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To: Wait4Truth
Exactly.

I think a lot of people have mixed feelings over this bill. I don't like new government programs but I also wonder what affect this will have on drug costs across the board? That could have a net good impact so I'll have to wait and see on that.

At the same time, I realize a senior prescription drug bill was going to happen sooner or later anyway. I have no doubt that this one will be easier to take then the alternative...and as you say, this is driving the dems crazy.

46 posted on 11/22/2003 8:22:03 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Reagan Renaissance
When Republicans expand socialism, what does it matter who controls the House? When Republicans steal freedom or property, what does it matter who controls the House?

If this becomes law, I will not be voting for Republicans or Democrats.

Well I remember when Reagan (the greatest POTUS in my lifetime) was criticized again and gain by the perpetual whiner conservative class while he was in office.

Reagan was for big government because he didn't abolish one agency and even expanded some.

Reagan was a closet one worlder who packed his cabinet with same. stole freedom by the of the banking laws passed.

Reagan stole freedoms/liberties by signing certain banking secrecy laws and issuing certain executive orders.

Reagan was a socialist because of the big spending/deficits.

Etc, etc., whine, whine, whine.

The same losers who now call themselves things like "Reagan Renaissance" or "Regan Man", were the very same ones promising not to vote for Reagan the different reasons mentioned above.

47 posted on 11/22/2003 8:28:04 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Russ
Since not one in a hundred here on FR has read the bill and knows many of the details (including me)

That can almost certainly apply to most members of Congress.

It has been described as one of the biggest expansions of government in decades in other reports posted here. It is a $400BILLION thingy.

What more do you need to know before you relinquish those reservations?

48 posted on 11/22/2003 8:28:27 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: CWOJackson
Nancy Pelosi threatened her RATS bigtime. It was hillarious. Unfortunately for her, 16 of them voted with the Republicans. The other day, Gephardt made the most telling comment. He said, "It's a Republican bill - therefore, it's a bad bill." That says it all.

The AARP said 1000 members had cancelled their memeberships. Out of 35 million, that's peanuts. President Bush just took the sacred cow away from the RATS...you gotta love it.

49 posted on 11/22/2003 8:31:38 AM PST by Wait4Truth
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To: areafiftyone
Do you think the 6 or so pubbie senators that will fillibuster will give dems enough cover for '04?
50 posted on 11/22/2003 8:33:10 AM PST by CPT Clay (57 in '04)
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