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JACKO ABUSE ACCUSER, KIN STILL LIVING A NIGHTMARE 10 YRS. LATER
New York Post ^ | November 23, 2003 | LINDA STASI

Posted on 11/23/2003 10:24:32 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ACCUSING Michael Jackson of sexual abuse comes with a hefty price tag.

A decade after shocking the world with allegations in 1993 that he was molested by the bizarro superstar, the lives of a California man and his relatives remain a living hell.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arkansasmafia; celebrity; celebritymorals; childmolester; clintonalumni; clintonhaters; hillarylist; hollywood; hollywoodmorals; hollywoodpinglist; homosexualvice; jackson; kingofpop; michaeljackson; mjacksonenablers; molester; nambla; pederast; pedophile; pellicano; popculture; protectboyscouts; sodomy; uglyphoneypervert
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1 posted on 11/23/2003 10:24:32 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Proof to me that oftentimes you are better off going foward with charges- if the boy had testified, and Jackson had been convicted, it is likely he would be able harass the family as he has from just paying them off.
2 posted on 11/23/2003 10:27:33 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: LWalk18
True enough. But, the uncle seems to be saying that the family--or at least the boy's father--wanted to prosecute but Garcetti wasn't interested.
3 posted on 11/23/2003 10:39:57 AM PST by ernie pantuso
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To: ernie pantuso
"Garcetti wasn't interested"

I saw a show last night on Court TV that made the same accusation. They interviewed P.I. Ernie Rizzo who said that only in L.A. could the king of perverts skate like he did.

4 posted on 11/23/2003 10:47:33 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Man is this a sick world:

Pop star sleeping with and molesting boys
Parents delivering children to pop star's house even after
the 93 allegations
Fans of pop star flying across the world to harrass and
threaten accuser and family
Pop star getting away with it because he has money

I know nothing is new under the sun, but stuff like this just makes me sick.
5 posted on 11/23/2003 11:25:44 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
I'm not excusing Jackson, and I think it is a bad idea to sleep with other peoples children, but I haven't heard any specific allegations as to what he has done.

He may be guilty, he may not be, but shouldn't we wait to see what the charges actually are? If he is so dangerous why aren't the parents being brought up on endangerment charges?

When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of.

Of course, the new charges seem to be more serious, but until they name them, I'll leave off comment.

I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.
6 posted on 11/23/2003 11:38:52 AM PST by LaraCroft (Grrr baby, very very grrrr)
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To: LaraCroft
When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of.

That is inappropriate behavior for anyone other than a parent. You need to get a clue.

I do feel sorry for Jackson

I don't. He's had ten years to wise up and change his behaviors. Like many of the rich and powerful, he thinks society's mores do not apply to him.

7 posted on 11/23/2003 12:02:00 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Bubba_Leroy
If Pellicano was hired by both the Clintons and by Jackson, the purpose of harassment of victims of sexual abuse comes to mind: The slashing of tires, the killing of cats, death threats, beatings and intimidation of those who would testify against Pellicano's clients all come to mind. What, exactly, did/does Pellicano do for a living?
8 posted on 11/23/2003 12:11:26 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Bump
9 posted on 11/23/2003 12:11:44 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: happygrl
BS. I hug, cuddle and kiss my nieces, nephews and my friends childrens too. And its not just because I'm femaile, so does my father.

It's called love, not molestation.

This is exactly like the liberal witch hunt against spanking.
10 posted on 11/23/2003 12:14:33 PM PST by LaraCroft (Grrr baby, very very grrrr)
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To: LaraCroft
I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.

OMG, just OMG!

11 posted on 11/23/2003 12:19:05 PM PST by ShandaLear
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To: LaraCroft
"When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of."

While I agree with your analysis, I think it's worthwhile to note that the intimacy you describe above is generally consisdered to be reserved for Mom and no one else. While it is not criminal, necessarily, for someone else to do it, it sure is suspicious.

12 posted on 11/23/2003 12:21:30 PM PST by tjg
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To: LaraCroft
Wow. You have got to naiive to think of Jackson the way to do. Or else you have a mental illness to think its ok for grown men to sleep in the same bed with young boys.

Again:

The argument for a relatives sharing a bed is valid, but a non-family member adult man sharing a bed with your child? You would have to be crazy or a pervert to think that was ok.
13 posted on 11/23/2003 12:28:49 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: LaraCroft
Perhaps you should read the deposition from the boy in the 1st incident. He wasn't describing hugs, cuddles and kisses.
14 posted on 11/23/2003 12:28:49 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: LaraCroft
This is exactly like the liberal witch hunt against spanking.

That mught fly in the case of a man who has normal relations with females, but in this case, Jackson does not.

It is a substitute for normal sexual behviors.

Would you send your children to sleep-overs at his house and allow them to sleep in the bed with him ?

15 posted on 11/23/2003 12:34:13 PM PST by happygrl
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To: LaraCroft
Please read the declaration from the boy in the case from ten years ago.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 12:35:30 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: LaraCroft
I agree with you that he's stuck in his childhood. I hope he finally gets the help he so desperately needs as a result of this.
17 posted on 11/23/2003 12:37:40 PM PST by Hildy
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To: LaraCroft
You father hugs and cuddles your friends children?? Hon, you should be losing friends soon. If any friend of mine had a father who hugged and kissed and cuddled my children, well, I would at least end the friendship. Kissing and hugging your own seems fine to me. But grown men don't hug and cuddle and kiss other people's children unless they are either pedophiles or stupid. And I taught my children not to let grownups do such things. Why set up your kids for the poor boundaries that allow pedophiles to take advantage.
18 posted on 11/23/2003 12:52:40 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hildy
The man is a rich successful entertainer. He is a pedophile. He is untreatable and incapable of being given "help". This man has had 20 years to get help. He wants to amuse and gratify himself and uses the child's world and interest to do so. To see him as a poor pitiful child in "need of help" is to enable him. I think what people cannot get their brain around, is that he is not like normal people. But he knows right from wrong, he hides his actions, he covers them with an elaborate persona. He is criminally responsible. He is dangerous. He maims and wounds children. Why in God's name would you want this man to get anything more benign than life in prison is beyond me.
19 posted on 11/23/2003 12:56:13 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: LaraCroft
Liberal witch hunt against spanking? My Lord, alot of conservatives don't spank. And spanking anyone's child other than your own is rightfully called assault. Do you favor others spanking your children and do you perhaps spank your friends children.
20 posted on 11/23/2003 12:59:02 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Stuff like this just outrages me. Here we have a child that was molested, a victim, and is treated like a criminal. However, they still should have pressed charges because molestors always have plenty of victims and putting Michael away would have protected other children from abuse.
21 posted on 11/23/2003 1:02:52 PM PST by diamond6
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To: cajungirl
Wow...so you think his crime as described should be punished the same way you would punish a murderer?
22 posted on 11/23/2003 1:07:23 PM PST by Hildy
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To: cajungirl
Well said.
23 posted on 11/23/2003 1:12:51 PM PST by tetelestai
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To: coloradan
What, exactly, did/does Pellicano do for a living?

The slashing of tires, the killing of cats, death threats, beatings and intimidation of those who would testify against Pellicano's clients.

24 posted on 11/23/2003 1:18:49 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Hildy
If he raped a child the answer is a great big YES.
How would you like to have someone you love and trust bend you over and sodomize you.Try and comprehend the fear,pain,shame and utter horror that must be for a child.
Get a clue and turn off the daytime T.V.
25 posted on 11/23/2003 1:20:23 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Hildy
His crime and the crime of the parents for subjecting their child to a known pedophile.
26 posted on 11/23/2003 1:23:28 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Hildy
A serial pedophile maims children's souls for their lifetime. I think it deserves the same punishment as murder. Rape of a juvenile is a capital crime in some states, reflecting society's ideas which are similar to mine. One who robs children of innocence, who abuses them sexually deserves the highest penalty we have. Do you feel a serial pedophile, and most are serial offenders with scores of victims, deserves a few years in jail or what. What is the punishment you would give a man who abused say ten children.
27 posted on 11/23/2003 1:24:06 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I think the term is "professional thug."
28 posted on 11/23/2003 1:25:30 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I think that is good job description. Now his title? Enforcer? Would love to see his resume.
29 posted on 11/23/2003 1:26:17 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: beaversmom
You said it well!! A SICK, sick WORLD.!!!
30 posted on 11/23/2003 1:27:31 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: LaraCroft
BS. I hug, cuddle and kiss my nieces, nephews and my friends childrens too. And its not just because I'm femaile, so does my father.

If you do that overnight, in bed, I've got a problem with that.

31 posted on 11/23/2003 1:32:28 PM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: liberty or death
I said guilty of what they SAY he did. As far as I know, there have never been accusations of sodomy. Maybe you should get your facts in order before you speak. The guy at the press conference even stressed that it wasn't even oral sex. He's being chared with lewd and lacivious (sp?) behavior. If anyone has proof that he's being charged with something else, please post it here.
32 posted on 11/23/2003 1:32:49 PM PST by Hildy
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To: pollywog
Wonder how MJ would be treated if he were a priest instead of a pop star.
33 posted on 11/23/2003 1:34:19 PM PST by milagro
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To: cajungirl
I believe fondling a child and exposing oneself should not carry the same penalty as sodomy. I'm pasting this from the FOXnews wesbite:

The 45-year-old "King of Pop" was accused of multiple counts of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14.

34 posted on 11/23/2003 1:35:23 PM PST by Hildy
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To: LaraCroft
Lara, I don't know you personally, but your comments on #6 seem very naive. Please read the allegations from the "first" boy in 1993. Very believeable--typical pedophile stuff--only MJ uses his millions of dollars to get what he wants instead of having to resort to the less sophisticated method of "hey want some candy" in the neighborhood park.

If you read the report from 93, it's hard to believe that a young boy could have made this stuff up. Jackson used very manipulative manuevers to get what he wanted--crying when the boy wouldn't go along with what he wanted. Saying just because other people think it's wrong doesn't make it so. I don't buy this I'm just a big kid a heart routine. It's a put on to manuever and manipulate children into his web. The excuse is, I have all this kid stuff because I'm a kid; therefore, since I'm just a kid, I love to be around kids. He does love kids--a lot of pedophiles claim they love children and are only expressing their love for them. For the life of me I don't know how so many parents could have went along with it especially after the 93 claims.

You are right, Jackson has been accused of rubs and kisses but they aren't rubs and kisses on the kid's cheek. They aren't the rubs and kisses you or I would give our own children.

Also, a normal person in his situation that had been wrongly accused of child molestation would have made it a point never to be around a stranger's child again at least not alone and certainly wouldn't have been having sleep overs. Instead, Michael Jackson goes right back to the old behavior because he can't control his desire to sexually molest children. Going back to his old behavior tells me right there that he is guilty.

You can wait until you hear more of the facts. I won't be on the jury and don't have to worry about legally guilty or innocent. He was guilty right after I read that 93 report and saw that English interview earlier this year. My common sense tells me that.

35 posted on 11/23/2003 1:36:16 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: LaraCroft
Do you sleep with them in your bed and hug, kiss, and cuddle them there?

The only time I ever slept with my niece was when I graduated from college. Her whole family stayed at my tiny apartment. I was sleeping on a sofa bed in the living room. In the morning, my 3 year old niece crawled into the bed with me and fell asleep.

My roommate and my brother and sister-in-law were coming in an out of the living room, so I was never really alone with her.

My husband and I are both very cautious with other people's kids. It's one thing to hug and cuddle your own kids, and it's another thing to hug and cuddle someone else's kids.



36 posted on 11/23/2003 1:36:25 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: liberty or death; cajungirl
I just looked up the charge. This is what 288 (a) states:

288. (a) Any person who willfully and lewdly commits any lewd or lascivious act, including any of the acts constituting other crimes provided for in Part 1, upon or with the body, or any part or member thereof, of a child who is under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions, or sexual desires of that person or the child, is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, six, or eight years.

As far as I can tell, it's a pretty narrow charge.

37 posted on 11/23/2003 1:41:01 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
Let's see. Over a period of weeks and months, Jackson paid his bills, had him over, the kid called him Daddy, and then he escalated to something. If it was similar to the last kid, it included sleeping together, buying presents, taking baths, masturbating, tongue kissing, etc all in the guise of being the childs Daddy and friend. You can reduce that to a little fondling but in my box that is a serious assault on a childs ability to love, trust, enjoy his body and become a normal sexual being at the proper age. That is a wound that most children never recover from. It scars them for life. "Fondling" is rarely ever just fondling. It is emotional seduction, betrayal and making a child feel sexually excited while doing so. It is unspeakable. Now what penalty would you deem appropriate for that in this context including money, the proving his mother did not protect him, the love letters, a year long oddyssey while the child had cancer and no father around. Consider all the circumstances if true and what would you do to him knowing he has done this over and over and over.
38 posted on 11/23/2003 1:42:00 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hildy
Narrow charge but up to 8 years per count. Multiple counts. Given it is a narrow charge it is easier to prove. Now if this guy did it say 6 times with a history of priors, he would be facing 48 years. A judge knowing his history might be inclined to max out his time. 48 years for Mike is life. Yep, I think justice may agree with me on this case.
39 posted on 11/23/2003 1:46:44 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
You obviously have some personal experience tied to this discussion so I'm not going to get into it with you. I'm merely stating that I don't believe the punishment for what he is accused of doing should be as harsh as you are hoping for. I'm not minimizing the effect of this kind of behavior, I"m just saying that it's not as bad as murder as you're saying it is. That's all.
40 posted on 11/23/2003 1:49:13 PM PST by Hildy
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To: cajungirl
Ditto, speak your mind cajungirl!! I totally agree wtih you here.
41 posted on 11/23/2003 1:50:28 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: luckystarmom
My oldest son, 6, often spends the night with my parents and he sleeps in the same bed as my mom. As many older folks do, my parents have separate bedrooms. My dad won't let my son sleep with him. Not because he thinks any of us will accuse him of anything but because he doesn't want my son telling someone at school, "hey I slept with my grandpa last night". I wouldn't have a problem with my son sleeping in the same bed as my dad but I understand his reasoning. He was in the military and you don't even give the appearance of ill behavior. That's why he couldn't understand someone in Clinton's position doing what he did.
42 posted on 11/23/2003 1:52:28 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Hildy
lewd and lacivious

Isn't that enough?

43 posted on 11/23/2003 1:53:43 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: cajungirl
Someone very close to me was molested. No intercourse involved and it only happened a couple of times. The person I would say was around 8 at the time. Scarred the person profoundly.
44 posted on 11/23/2003 1:58:24 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Hildy
288. (a) Any person who willfully and lewdly commits any lewd or lascivious act, including any of the acts constituting other crimes provided for in Part 1, upon or with the body, or any part or member thereof, of a child who is under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions, or sexual desires of that person or the child, is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, six, or eight years.

As far as I can tell, it's a pretty narrow charge.

Are you crazy? You think that's not so bad or what? Excuse me if I'm reading you wrong.

45 posted on 11/23/2003 2:02:36 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: knak
It's not oral sex, it's not sodomy. IT'S BAD and the punishment should be harsh. My point is that it's not as bad as murder. I don't see how anyone can disagree with me.
46 posted on 11/23/2003 2:06:48 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
I personally think any action that will damage a child for the rest of their life should be considered as bad as murder. We've seen it hundreds of times.
47 posted on 11/23/2003 2:14:03 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: knak
If that's the litmus test, I know many mothers and fathers who would be in jail. Fortunately the law doesn't work that way.
48 posted on 11/23/2003 2:15:29 PM PST by Hildy
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To: LaraCroft
I think you should lay off making yourself look stupid until you read the link at post #16.
49 posted on 11/23/2003 2:19:14 PM PST by stands2reason ("Don't you funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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To: Hildy
Some murderers can be set free after paying their debt to society and making some form of restitution. Child molesters cannot be cured. Period. They are the lowest of the low, even within the prison system.
50 posted on 11/23/2003 2:23:29 PM PST by secret garden (Even in the quietest moments...)
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