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Who Were The Si-Te-Cah
Runestone.org ^ | Steve McNallen

Posted on 11/23/2003 6:48:27 PM PST by blam

WHO WERE THE SI-TE-CAH?

Note the cranial similarities between this Lovelock Cave skull discovered in the 1920's and the Kennewick Man sketch by Jamie Chatters (Click on the site) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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This 1995 article by Steve McNallen was written months before the discovery of the Kennewick Man or the current controversy over ancient Caucasians in North America. In retrospect, it seems hauntingly prophetic.

The history of the European peoples in the are we call California is generally assumed to have begun with the Spanish in the 1500's, followed later by the English (represented by Sir Francis Drake) and by the Russians. Our history books tell us all about these explorations, and we European-Californians should be knowledgeable about this part of our heritage. However, the books WON'T tell you about some of the more apocryphal reports of our kind of people in the American West, long ago...

Lovelock, Nevada, is about eighty miles northeast of Reno. It was in a cave near here, in 1911, that guano miners found mummies, bones, and artifacts buried under four feet of bat excrement. The desiccated bodies belonged to a very tall people - with red hair.

This is not the physical profile of your typical American Indian, to put it mildly. And in fact, the local Paiutes had legends about these towering troublemakers, whom they called the "Si-Te-Cah." According to them the redheads were a warlike people, and a number of the Indian tribes joined together in a long war against them. Eventually, the Paiutes and their allies forced the Si-Te-Cah back to their home acres, near Mount Shasta in our own California.

Mining engineer and amateur archeologist John T. Reid took an interest in the remains of the Si-Te-Cah and did his best to document the finds as they were unearthed. He also interviewed many locals who had knowledge of the affair. His memoirs can be found in the Nevada Historical Society Archives, located in Reno.

Official archeology refused to take an interest. According to reports, two investigators were sent to the scene. One was from the University of California, and the other from New York. Rather than unearthing facts, they seemed more interested in burying them - literally; we are told the New Yorker ordered a mummy reburied on at least once occasion. Nor was anything published about the anomalies until 1929, seventeen years after their visit.

So how did the mummies get in the cave, anyway? The way the Paiutes tell it, the Si-Te-Cah lived on a lake in the basin overlooked by the cave. When I say on the lake, that's just what I mean - they dwelled on rafts to escape harassment from the Paiutes. The rafts, like many other things in Si-Te-Cah society, were made of a fibrous water plant called tule; in fact, the name Si-Te-Cah means "tule eaters."

The Paiutes and the long-legged redheads did not get along well. The Indians accused the Si-Te-Cah of being cannibals, and waged war against them. The Si-Te-Cah fought back. After a long struggle, a coalition of tribes trapped the remaining Si-Te-Cah in what is now called Lovelock Cave. When they refused to come out, the Indians piled brush before the cave mouth and set it aflame. The Si-Te-Cah were annihilated.

Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of Paiute Chief Winnemucca, related many stories about the Si-Te-Cah in her book Life Among the Paiutes. On page 75, she relates, "My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair. I have some of their hair, which has been handed down from father to son. I have a dress which has been in our family a great many years, trimmed with the reddish hair. I am going to wear it some time when I lecture. It is called a mourning dress, and no one has such a dress but my family."

All of this could be dismissed as another tall tale, but the case for the Si-Te-Cah does not rest on one man's research, or on remains found in one guano-filled cave. In 1931, mummies wee discovered in the Humboldt Lake bed. Eight years later, a mystery skeleton was unearthed on a ranch in the region. In each case, the skeletons or mummies were exceptionally tall and appeared to be connected with the strange lost race of redheads.

According to the Indians, the Si-Te-Cah built a pyramidal stone structure in New York Canyon, some miles away in Churchill County. Unfortunately, the area is riven with earthquakes and the rocky ruins have largely tumbled over the years.

Not much has survived from the Si-Te-Cah. When the archeological establishment refused to take their existence seriously, a number of small, private museums arose to fill the gap. A fire in one of these destroyed an irreplaceable collection of bones, mummified remains, feathered artifacts, and shells carved with mysterious symbols. Today there is a museum in Lovelock with a display describing the cave finds, but it ignores allegations that the Si-Te-Cah were anything other than Indians. The Nevada State Historical Society has some artifacts from the cave, but again, there is not even a hint of controversy.

Today, the basin that held the lake is a dry and dusty desert, its water usually limited to a few alkali pool, and the tule is as gone as the mysterious people who once ate it and floated on rafts made from its stalks. But the cave is still there, looming darkly above the desert floor, accessible by a short climb up a winding trail. It is a natural defensive position; it the Paiutes tried attacking the Si-Te-Cah from this direction, they must have taken considerable losses.

On the day we were there, there were no Paiutes in sight - nor tourists, nor prospectors, nor anyone else. Our eyes soon grew accustomed to the cave's gloom, and within minutes we had explored the extent of the sheltering rock. I scrambled out a secondary entrance/exit, a hole that opened a few yards to one side. Pausing to admire the endless desert view, I walked back to the main entrance. There, far from water of any kind, was a knot made of two strands of fibrous water plant - tule. It hadn't been buried; no mud or clods clung to it. It looked as though someone had placed it there moments before. Had it been there when we entered the cave? Well, I hadn't seen it, though admittedly I was focused on the cave itself.

So who were the Si-Te-Cah? We may never know. From John Reid's journals, it is clear he was researching the occurrence of other "White tribes" throughout what is now the United States. We have tales of Celtic settlements that preceded Columbus, but they were presumably on the other side of the continent and it's hard to see how they would have gotten to Nevada. Could bands of our people have migrated across the Bering Strait at the same time as the ancestors of the Indians? Our kind do have a propensity to wander...

The existence of early, previously unknown Eurofolk in the Nevada-California region indicates that our roots here may be even deeper than we suspected. We need to recover what we can of our lost heritage, and transmit it to our children as part of their birthright. Maybe the Si-Te-Cah were a transitory phenomenon - but this time, we're here to stay!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada
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1 posted on 11/23/2003 6:48:28 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

2 posted on 11/23/2003 6:50:24 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend; Senior Owen
Were the Si-Te-Cah the last of the Kennewick Man people?
3 posted on 11/23/2003 6:50:39 PM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
Thank you for all the cool pings and a Happy Thankgiving, as well.
4 posted on 11/23/2003 6:52:00 PM PST by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: blam
read later
5 posted on 11/23/2003 7:09:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: blam
Cool as usual.

As I recall isn't the area around Mount Shasta weird or occult in some ways?

6 posted on 11/23/2003 7:31:43 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neo-Conservative Power Vortex)
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To: Mike Darancette
"As I recall isn't the area around Mount Shasta weird or occult in some ways?"

Something? Yes. I have a weird in-law that lives there.

7 posted on 11/23/2003 7:36:38 PM PST by blam
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To: Mike Darancette
As I recall isn't the area around Mount Shasta weird or occult in some ways?

Don't know about that but if you wander too far afield there you run the risk of being shot by an illegal marijuana grower. That's weird enough for me.

8 posted on 11/23/2003 7:55:23 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: farmfriend; blam
http://www.tattooheaven.com/CentAsia.html
TATTOOED MUMMIES OF CENTRAL ASIA
"Today the ancient Chinese texts which speak of legendary tall people with red hair and green eyes (formerly denigrated as mere "myths") are being reinterpreted. They are not just imaginary tales as has been assumed until recently, but they tell of the very real Tocharian-branch Indo-European people, relatives of the Celts and Scythians..."
http://www.zealand.org.nz/history.htm
"Standing stones and other megalithic structures like stone dome-shaped houses have been found in New Zealand, and more interestingly - red, brown, and blonde-haired Indo-European skeletons have been found in burial caves. Long, long, long before traditionally they should have been in the country!"


There's all sorts of stories, some speculation etc. Interesting.
9 posted on 11/23/2003 8:06:06 PM PST by visualops (I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.)
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To: Bernard Marx; blam
The newrby town of "Weed" is aptly named.

The Area has become a "New Age" haven.

10 posted on 11/23/2003 8:06:59 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neo-Conservative Power Vortex)
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To: blam
bttt
11 posted on 11/23/2003 8:07:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: blam
Very interesting - thanks for posting.
12 posted on 11/23/2003 9:02:04 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Mike Darancette
Hmmmm. My wife was raised in a little town very near Lovelock, NV, the Se-Te-Cah stomping grounds. Not far away there's a little village named Weed Heights. Coincidence? I think not!
13 posted on 11/23/2003 9:32:12 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: blam
Good post!
14 posted on 11/23/2003 9:32:40 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: AR15_Patriot
European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)
16 posted on 11/23/2003 10:15:41 PM PST by blam
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To: visualops
The 4,000 year old Caucasian mummies found in the China desert had tattos.

The Curse Of The Red Headed Mummy

17 posted on 11/23/2003 10:22:49 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
When we first bumped into each other out here I had tried to relay this story but could never find the reference that I had gotten it from. Everyone thought I was talking about spirit cave man and I have to admit that I was starting to think that I had misunderstood something and just made it up...

Now maybe I can find the original article I had read that included some of the "mythology" that was passed down about these people.

18 posted on 11/23/2003 10:40:11 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: blam
Official archeology refused to take an interest.

Any thoughts on why? I can't imagine an agenda of some kind, but maybe I'm not up to speed on such things.

FGS

19 posted on 11/23/2003 10:42:18 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: farmfriend
Would you add me to the ping list please.

FGS

20 posted on 11/23/2003 10:43:10 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, just let me know.
21 posted on 11/23/2003 10:44:58 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
Have red headed people alway's been mean?
22 posted on 11/23/2003 10:48:12 PM PST by chuckles
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To: farmfriend
Thank you kindly ;^)

FGS

23 posted on 11/23/2003 11:01:27 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: blam
Gen 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
24 posted on 11/23/2003 11:07:34 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: Swordmaker
I guess I should have gone back to the home page. I googled it because I remembered reading about or seeing a tv show on tall red haired mummies that were found in China. The site was listed on the google results. I posted because of the pictures of the mummies. As I stated, I didn't read the content.

27 posted on 11/24/2003 12:30:52 AM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2
Some of what they post may be legitimate scholarship... It is too bad that it gets tainted with their stink.
28 posted on 11/24/2003 12:34:33 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
agreed. I will pay more attention to the content and afilliation of links in the future. My apologies.
29 posted on 11/24/2003 2:25:51 AM PST by marsh2
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To: blam
And there are red-headed GIANTS that have been found as well. Keep on truckin'
30 posted on 11/24/2003 2:33:26 AM PST by Ff--150 (The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich)
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To: blam
Yeah, my post said that. I was interested just in the tall/red hair aspect.
31 posted on 11/24/2003 3:17:49 AM PST by visualops (I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.)
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To: blam
"Si-Te-Cah" sounds phonetically a lot like "Seteca".

NFP

32 posted on 11/24/2003 9:50:45 AM PST by Notforprophet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't.)
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To: Notforprophet
""Si-Te-Cah" sounds phonetically a lot like "Seteca"."

Okay, so what is "Seteca."

33 posted on 11/24/2003 12:30:30 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Wasn't there a Seteca tribe of native Americans? Or I am having memory-dyslexia?

NFP

34 posted on 11/24/2003 1:00:31 PM PST by Notforprophet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't.)
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To: blam
Come to think of it now, it was "Seneca" maybe.

NFP

35 posted on 11/24/2003 1:01:43 PM PST by Notforprophet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who can read binary and those who can't.)
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To: marsh2
"Human settlements of very ancient dates (11-13,000) have been found in the Klamath Basin."

That was an interesting article, thanks.

36 posted on 11/24/2003 2:34:44 PM PST by blam
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To: chuckles
Have red headed people alway's been mean?

That's fiery-tempered to you, NOT mean.

The links in the posts in the Gods, Graves and Glyphs list will take you to some sites that propose the notion that the ginger gene for redhair is an artifact of Neanderthal heritage as a result of the mixing of Cro-Magnon and the Neanderthals. Other traits may include autism and systic fibrosis.

Fascinating stuff.

37 posted on 11/24/2003 2:41:09 PM PST by happygrl
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To: farmfriend
If I had an overnight radio program, this is the sort of stuff I'd cover. The real archeology and anthropolgy is always more interesting than re-hashing Roswell ad infinitum.
38 posted on 11/25/2003 7:52:30 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Swordmaker
Actually, there was a Nova or National Geographic documentary about Caucasians that had traveled through Asia. National Geographic magazine documented that there was a Christian Church in China that dated back to the early AD's. And I had a Japanese History professor in college that said one of the native inhabitants of of the island of Haikkaido were several tribes of "proto-caucosoids." It seems that the world was really a much busier, if not necessarily more inhabited, place than we are taught.
39 posted on 11/25/2003 7:58:36 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: blam
BTTT
40 posted on 02/06/2004 4:51:59 PM PST by carpio
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To: blam
We have tales of Celtic settlements that preceded Columbus, but they were presumably on the other side of the continent and it's hard to see how they would have gotten to Nevada. Could bands of our people have migrated across the Bering Strait at the same time as the ancestors of the Indians? Our kind do have a propensity to wander...

While agricultural people tend to stay put for a while, herding or hunting peoples would tend to migrate, looking for good fields for their flocks, or good hunting.

People who had mastered making strong bows would have found the midwest, with its herds of bison, an excellent place to be.

41 posted on 02/06/2004 5:03:18 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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To: BradyLS
"And I had a Japanese History professor in college that said one of the native inhabitants of of the island of Haikkaido were several tribes of "proto-caucosoids."

Those were the Jomon and Ainu...some think they may be the ancestors to all the Europeans and Asians. There are still about 10-50k Ainu still in Japan. They were also the original Japanese Samurai.

42 posted on 02/06/2004 5:09:54 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Isn't that the name of the Seattle airport?
43 posted on 02/06/2004 5:11:12 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
"Isn't that the name of the Seattle airport?"

LOL Seatac - Seattle - Tacoma airport.

44 posted on 02/06/2004 5:19:08 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
never mind, thanx for the post
45 posted on 02/06/2004 5:43:33 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
BUMP.
46 posted on 02/24/2004 2:52:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Ever read the Book of Mormon? I did, and wondered about this sort of thing, half suspecting it was built on a combination of legend, fact, and tortured fancy.
47 posted on 04/20/2004 7:42:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Ever read the Book of Mormon?"

No, never have. I'd like to get some DNA from that red hair...that could probably tell a tale.

48 posted on 04/20/2004 7:46:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
It is said that the BOM is derived from secret Masonic documents and that Smith having divulged them is why he was murdered. One hears reference to "ancient mysteries" in Masonic writings, and of course, Pike was a polyglot of ancient languages. What they know, or more importantly, believe has always been of interest to me. Given the number of Mormons in our security apparatus it was also of interest to me to learn exactly what they believe.

It wouldn't shock me to find that remains of submerged cities would have such DNA therein if it could be found. Particularly off the coast of Cuba, capital of the Golden Circle.
49 posted on 04/20/2004 8:36:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: blam

The Cherokee legends talk about very tall people with red hair who live to the west. I guess maybe these were those people.


50 posted on 06/25/2004 7:33:37 AM PDT by gopheraj
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