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Study: Higher speed limits create dangers
USA Today | 24 Nov 03 | AP

Posted on 11/24/2003 1:11:14 PM PST by SLB

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What is the New Zealand government doing a speed limit study in the USA for?
1 posted on 11/24/2003 1:11:14 PM PST by SLB
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What is the New Zealand government doing a speed limit study in the USA for?

Ford's got a new Kangaroo coming out next year.

2 posted on 11/24/2003 1:14:35 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: SLB
And why do they keep shifting back and forth between total fatalities and fatalities per million miles driven?
3 posted on 11/24/2003 1:14:56 PM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: SLB
More crap gleaned from an extortionist industry that would have you paying $5000 a year for car insurance and limited to 10mph.
4 posted on 11/24/2003 1:15:19 PM PST by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: SLB
As I recall high school physics, force increases with the square of velocity.
5 posted on 11/24/2003 1:15:47 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SLB
according to a report released Monday by an auto safety group funded by insurers.

Nothing like some non-biased numbers to fuel your study, hmm?

That's like getting gun stats from the Brady Center.

6 posted on 11/24/2003 1:16:16 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SLB
That was the first thing that popped into my head too...

I didn't really look into it but does it take into account the morons who don't go 75 and get in the way of the ones who do?

I'm willing to bet money most of these accidents are caused by someone slowing down in the left lane or moving into the left lane without looking.

7 posted on 11/24/2003 1:16:18 PM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: SLB
What is the New Zealand government doing a speed limit study in the USA for?

I was wondering the same thing..

8 posted on 11/24/2003 1:16:41 PM PST by just me
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To: SLB
Gee! Did someone do a reprint of the same study that came out .... what? .... 30 years ago?

And HOW MUCH did that cost us this time around?

Can you say "PLAGIARISM"??
9 posted on 11/24/2003 1:16:45 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: billorites
Energy = 1/2 mass * velocity (squared)

Force = mass * acceleration
10 posted on 11/24/2003 1:17:59 PM PST by anobjectivist (The natural rights of people are more basic than those currently considered)
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To: dirtboy
Total fatalities is a raw number with little independant meaning. The number of accidents per Milliion Vehicle Miles(MVM)or the number of Fatal/Injury accidents per MVM is useful for computing averages and spotting anomolous highway segments.
11 posted on 11/24/2003 1:18:59 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: SLB
Well then if slower is better we should lower the national speed limit to 20mph everywhere. Then we would be really, really safe.
12 posted on 11/24/2003 1:19:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: ClintonBeGone
They have about as many kangaroos in New Zealand as they have straight roads. Been there and drove there and didn't see any kangaroos or straight roads. So how do they know anything about driving in America.

The deaths may have a little bit to do with the fact that cars are just not as strong as they used to be and there are more on the road.
13 posted on 11/24/2003 1:19:12 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: SLB
For most of human history we only moved around 3 miles per hour. It was good enough for our founding fathers, it should be good enough for us.

Let's all be really safe and demand our government reduce all speed limits to 3 miles per hour and fix cars so they can not exceed this speed limit.

Think of all the lives (especially children) that will be saved and all the traffic cops that can find something else to do (buy Krispy Kream stock) with their time.
14 posted on 11/24/2003 1:19:54 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: SLB
Think of how many lives we'd save if everyone drove 5 mph. Why don't we just set all the speed limits to 5 mph, then?
15 posted on 11/24/2003 1:21:09 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: billorites
"force increases with the square of velocity."

E = 1/2 *m*v2

F = m * a

where a = acceleration = dv/dt.

16 posted on 11/24/2003 1:21:22 PM PST by spunkets
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To: SLB
Since the vast majority of fatalities occurr at night, the most important advancement in automotive safety would be the elimination of headlights.
17 posted on 11/24/2003 1:22:14 PM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: SLB
Because if there in notjing of real importance to add they can always beat a dead horse.
18 posted on 11/24/2003 1:22:27 PM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: SLB
Drive a SUV!

The life you safe may be your own!

19 posted on 11/24/2003 1:22:34 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: anobjectivist
Total energy = 1/2 mass * velocity (squared) + mass * gravity * height

Or, as we in the fighter community say: "Altitude is energy, speed is life."

20 posted on 11/24/2003 1:22:57 PM PST by quark
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To: SLB
Couldn't be the 12 million illegal aliens who never even had a car in thier own country! Now with no experience they are on our roads. Should be much higher when you think about it.
21 posted on 11/24/2003 1:25:17 PM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: SLB
Cutting the speed limit to zero would eliminate vehicle fatalities completely.

Outlawing walking outside would eliminate death from a variety of causes.

In fact, outlawing childbirth and conception would eliminate any deaths from ever happening, once the current generation died out.

The issue isn't the elimination of risk. It's the elimination of the freedom to decide for oneself what risks are worth taking. Every action, or inaction, involves risk. Deal with it.
22 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:02 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: billorites
force increases with the square of velocity

nope ...

Where m is the inertial mass of the velocity, and T is the time from the initial state to the final state; the expression on the right of the equation being the limit as T goes to zero.

I think you are thinking about Kinetic Energy, which is a bit different. particle, vo is its initial velocity, v is its final That formula is probably what you meant, and that is given as:

.

So, yes, the faster you go, the harder you hit. Having a heavy car means that you hit harder; although the heavy car can absorb the impact by deformation (hopefully in a manner that protects the occupants).

23 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:23 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: quark
Ah, what I wouldn't give to fly a vehicle capable of pulling more than enough G's to kill me for a living, just by executing a simple turn.

24 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:28 PM PST by anobjectivist (The natural rights of people are more basic than those currently considered)
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To: ElkGroveDan
And wear helmets, of course! Then, we would all be double-plus safe, I triple-guarantee it.
25 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:29 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Well then if slower is better we should lower the national speed limit to 20mph everywhere. Then we would be really, really safe."

Only if they also lower my insurance rates to $20.00 a month.
26 posted on 11/24/2003 1:31:34 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
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To: SLB
Good question. This is typical USA Today BS, compliments of the insurance industry. That industry, of course, would prefer that we all left our cars in the driveway or, if we MUST drive, never exceed 15 mph.

All objective studies have concluded that neither speed limits nor actual speeds at the levels talked about here have anything to do with changes in highway death rates. Modern cars can be driven quite safely on modern highways at speeds of 80 or 85 mph. The only variable conclusively linked to the highway death rate is miles traveled. When we drive more miles, there are more highway fatalities. DUH!

Obviously, there are bad things drivers do that increase the risk of injury or death for themselves and others -- driving impaired (by alchohol, drugs and cell phones), driving at speeds significantly above or below the rate of traffic flow on that road at that time, driving on worn or under-inflated tires, weaving in and out of traffic at high speed, driving at speeds unsafe for road conditions, just to cite a few examples.

However, the lazy-assed state troopers who sit on the side of the road on clear sunny days (God forbid they should spoil the crease on those trousers by doing it in the rain) blasting away with their radar guns and lasers are doing precisely nothing about any of this. They are just making the insurance companies happy, by giving them an excuse to raise rates, and keeping the state coffers full. Traffic safety is their justification, not their concern.

27 posted on 11/24/2003 1:33:07 PM PST by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: SLB
...by an auto safety group funded by insurers.


28 posted on 11/24/2003 1:33:22 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (BOYCOTT HALLMARK)
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What is the New Zealand government doing a speed limit study in the USA for?

They're bitter that they don't have America's Cup anymore.

29 posted on 11/24/2003 1:35:20 PM PST by jpl
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To: SLB
Not a word about Montana, which has the highest death rate per million miles driven and until 1999, had no speed limit at all. The death rate has actually risen since speed limits were imposed.
30 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:27 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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In Atlanta, 78% of drivers on one urban interstate exceeded 70 mph, the report found.

It's the other 22% getting in our way that causes the accidents. If you don't do at least 75 mph on I85 through Atlanta, you're going to get run over. That's one of the things I love about this town.

31 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:29 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: SLB
never believe stats generated by a statistician with a point to prove, or money to be made....
32 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:45 PM PST by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: SLB
In Atlanta, 78% of drivers on one urban interstate exceeded 70 mph, the report found.

Yea, right. Show me where any major highway around atlanta gets over 15 mph during rush hour.

33 posted on 11/24/2003 1:40:08 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: CholeraJoe
Not a word about Montana, which has the highest death rate per million miles driven and until 1999, had no speed limit at all. The death rate has actually risen since speed limits were imposed.

Of course, that may have nothing to do with speed limits, and everything to do with an influx of Californians. Same with the other western states.

34 posted on 11/24/2003 1:40:53 PM PST by r9etb
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"If you don't do at least 75 mph on I85 through Atlanta, you're going to get run over. That's one of the things I love about this town."

Exactly when is the traffic light enough that you can actually exceed the feed limit? Everytime I've been thru Et-Lanta in the past five years you're lucky to be moving at all. I'll do anything I can to avoid th' place, especially when I'm driving the motorhome.

Michael

35 posted on 11/24/2003 1:43:40 PM PST by Wright is right! (Never get excited about ANYTHING by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: blau993
weaving in and out of traffic at high speed

These are the people who really burn me up. You know, the guys who have to go (at least) 20 mph over the speed limit and continually weave in and out of traffic, cutting people off without using a turn signal so that they don't have to suffer the annoyance of driving at reasonable speeds. Either that or they ride right up on your ass at said 20 mph+ above the speed limit speed trying to force you over a lane. Never mind that there are other cars immediately in front of you, so you couldn't go any faster even if you wanted to.

36 posted on 11/24/2003 1:46:07 PM PST by BlackRazor
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To: SLB
The reason for this type of study being promoted by the IIHS is very simple:

The IIHS likes speed limits set artificially (ie below the 85th percentile speed) low so that as many people as possible will be ticketed for speeding. Drivers with speeding tickets can be charged higher insurance premiums.

Anyone who thinks the IIHS really cares about the safety of drivers is sadly deluded. They exist to promote the interests of the insurance industry, and the insurance industry's interest is making money, nothing else. Higher or lower overall traffic accidents just mean that the market will settle at higher or lower rates, respectively, in the long term.
37 posted on 11/24/2003 1:46:24 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: SLB
bump
38 posted on 11/24/2003 1:48:23 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: SLB
Speed does not kill. It is the interaction between a moving object at one vector (velocity in a given direction) and another object of whatever different vector that intersects its path, and the sudden dislocations that occur.
39 posted on 11/24/2003 1:48:52 PM PST by alloysteel
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To: r9etb
And the doped up truckers from Canuckistan.
40 posted on 11/24/2003 1:52:53 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: Puppage
I would expect the insurance industry to be interested in nothing but the truth about safety -- not what their preconceived notions are. I remember a study that showed that accident rates increase if speed limits are reduced too much. The reason is that some drivers will be going at a more rational 70 mph while law-abiding drivers (the ones with a lot of points on their license) tend to stay around 55 or 60. And the difference in speeds is what kills
41 posted on 11/24/2003 2:01:43 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: agitator
try to drive from west texas to dallas. the extra 15 miles per hour on an eight hour drive means you arrive rested and awake two hours faster. the same is true driving from dallas to houston. those couple of hours makes a big differnec in how tired people get and sleepy people are nearly as big a factor in death as drugs or alcohol.
42 posted on 11/24/2003 2:10:12 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: SLB
Either this study is unbelievably poorly done, or this article is unbelievably poorly written...

Or both...
43 posted on 11/24/2003 2:13:11 PM PST by gridlock (Just think how many people would be saved if the speed limit were 25 mph on interstates!)
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To: Wright is right!
Exactly when is the traffic light enough that you can actually exceed the feed limit?

Touche'! One should definitely stay away during high traffic periods (6:00 - 10:00a & 5:00 - 8:00p). But, most other times, it's smooth sailing. I would never, ever, consider taking an RV through the city. There will always bee too many cars in Atlanta for an RV to cruise easily through the city. My advice: drive through at night!

44 posted on 11/24/2003 2:25:31 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: dirtboy
Using whatever fits their hypothesis better?
45 posted on 11/24/2003 2:25:43 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: T.Smith
"Touche'! One should definitely stay away during high traffic periods (6:00 - 10:00a & 5:00 - 8:00p). But, most other times, it's smooth sailing. I would never, ever, consider taking an RV through the city. There will always bee too many cars in Atlanta for an RV to cruise easily through the city. My advice: drive through at night!"

Well, I cannot go thru town on I-75 at all, because of the narrow lanes and the fact that it's a cars-only deal. The lanes are only 10 feet wide, and the motorhome is 102 inches wide. That gives me a clearance of only 9 inches on either side. So I have to take the loop, with its standard 12-foot driving lanes. The restriction also puts all heavy trucks on the loop as well, so it's a very unpleasant trip around the city. The last trip to FL (from Nashville) I purposely added a stop in the FL panhandle so I could come back home thru Alabammer. I'll do ANYTHING to avoid Et-Lanta.

Michael

46 posted on 11/24/2003 2:33:41 PM PST by Wright is right! (Never get excited about ANYTHING by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: U S Army EOD
and didn't see any kangaroos or straight roads. So how do they know anything about driving in America.

,,, in the mid-east South Island an introduced species of kangaroo, called the Palmer wallaby, is being shot in high numbers because they're classed as pests. They're much smaller than Aussie's larger breeds.

As for driving in America, I found it easy enough as long as I had an idea of where I was headed and when to take the correct exits on freeways.

47 posted on 11/24/2003 2:36:53 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: SLB
YADA-YADA-YADA
48 posted on 11/24/2003 2:37:37 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: SLB
Countries around the world -

- Traffic deaths per 100,000 population in individual representations 1970 - 2002

www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad/utility/p103.pdf

The US chart shows a decline until about 1990 at which point it's still decling but at a much smaller rate over the last ten years ...

49 posted on 11/24/2003 2:42:48 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: SLB
Let's see. Does a van load of illegal immigrants traveling at 65 mph killed in an interstate rollover in Iowa when the driver fell asleep at the wheel while on their way to Chicago count in this increase? Does the increasing number of vehicles on the road figure in? The correlation between increased speed and number of deaths is flawed. There are too many other factors not mentioned here as probables. Another case of statistics used to further someone's agenda so it reads to me. what a surprise.
50 posted on 11/24/2003 2:44:10 PM PST by CARTOUCHE (The pen is mightier than the sword and so much easier to conceal.)
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