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Study: Higher speed limits create dangers
USA Today | 24 Nov 03 | AP

Posted on 11/24/2003 1:11:14 PM PST by SLB

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To: SLB
Couldn't be the 12 million illegal aliens who never even had a car in thier own country! Now with no experience they are on our roads. Should be much higher when you think about it.
21 posted on 11/24/2003 1:25:17 PM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: SLB
Cutting the speed limit to zero would eliminate vehicle fatalities completely.

Outlawing walking outside would eliminate death from a variety of causes.

In fact, outlawing childbirth and conception would eliminate any deaths from ever happening, once the current generation died out.

The issue isn't the elimination of risk. It's the elimination of the freedom to decide for oneself what risks are worth taking. Every action, or inaction, involves risk. Deal with it.
22 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:02 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: billorites
force increases with the square of velocity

nope ...

Where m is the inertial mass of the velocity, and T is the time from the initial state to the final state; the expression on the right of the equation being the limit as T goes to zero.

I think you are thinking about Kinetic Energy, which is a bit different. particle, vo is its initial velocity, v is its final That formula is probably what you meant, and that is given as:

.

So, yes, the faster you go, the harder you hit. Having a heavy car means that you hit harder; although the heavy car can absorb the impact by deformation (hopefully in a manner that protects the occupants).

23 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:23 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: quark
Ah, what I wouldn't give to fly a vehicle capable of pulling more than enough G's to kill me for a living, just by executing a simple turn.

24 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:28 PM PST by anobjectivist (The natural rights of people are more basic than those currently considered)
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To: ElkGroveDan
And wear helmets, of course! Then, we would all be double-plus safe, I triple-guarantee it.
25 posted on 11/24/2003 1:26:29 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Well then if slower is better we should lower the national speed limit to 20mph everywhere. Then we would be really, really safe."

Only if they also lower my insurance rates to $20.00 a month.
26 posted on 11/24/2003 1:31:34 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
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To: SLB
Good question. This is typical USA Today BS, compliments of the insurance industry. That industry, of course, would prefer that we all left our cars in the driveway or, if we MUST drive, never exceed 15 mph.

All objective studies have concluded that neither speed limits nor actual speeds at the levels talked about here have anything to do with changes in highway death rates. Modern cars can be driven quite safely on modern highways at speeds of 80 or 85 mph. The only variable conclusively linked to the highway death rate is miles traveled. When we drive more miles, there are more highway fatalities. DUH!

Obviously, there are bad things drivers do that increase the risk of injury or death for themselves and others -- driving impaired (by alchohol, drugs and cell phones), driving at speeds significantly above or below the rate of traffic flow on that road at that time, driving on worn or under-inflated tires, weaving in and out of traffic at high speed, driving at speeds unsafe for road conditions, just to cite a few examples.

However, the lazy-assed state troopers who sit on the side of the road on clear sunny days (God forbid they should spoil the crease on those trousers by doing it in the rain) blasting away with their radar guns and lasers are doing precisely nothing about any of this. They are just making the insurance companies happy, by giving them an excuse to raise rates, and keeping the state coffers full. Traffic safety is their justification, not their concern.

27 posted on 11/24/2003 1:33:07 PM PST by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: SLB
...by an auto safety group funded by insurers.


28 posted on 11/24/2003 1:33:22 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (BOYCOTT HALLMARK)
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To: SLB
What is the New Zealand government doing a speed limit study in the USA for?

They're bitter that they don't have America's Cup anymore.

29 posted on 11/24/2003 1:35:20 PM PST by jpl
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To: SLB
Not a word about Montana, which has the highest death rate per million miles driven and until 1999, had no speed limit at all. The death rate has actually risen since speed limits were imposed.
30 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:27 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: SLB
In Atlanta, 78% of drivers on one urban interstate exceeded 70 mph, the report found.

It's the other 22% getting in our way that causes the accidents. If you don't do at least 75 mph on I85 through Atlanta, you're going to get run over. That's one of the things I love about this town.

31 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:29 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: SLB
never believe stats generated by a statistician with a point to prove, or money to be made....
32 posted on 11/24/2003 1:36:45 PM PST by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: SLB
In Atlanta, 78% of drivers on one urban interstate exceeded 70 mph, the report found.

Yea, right. Show me where any major highway around atlanta gets over 15 mph during rush hour.

33 posted on 11/24/2003 1:40:08 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: CholeraJoe
Not a word about Montana, which has the highest death rate per million miles driven and until 1999, had no speed limit at all. The death rate has actually risen since speed limits were imposed.

Of course, that may have nothing to do with speed limits, and everything to do with an influx of Californians. Same with the other western states.

34 posted on 11/24/2003 1:40:53 PM PST by r9etb
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To: T.Smith
"If you don't do at least 75 mph on I85 through Atlanta, you're going to get run over. That's one of the things I love about this town."

Exactly when is the traffic light enough that you can actually exceed the feed limit? Everytime I've been thru Et-Lanta in the past five years you're lucky to be moving at all. I'll do anything I can to avoid th' place, especially when I'm driving the motorhome.

Michael

35 posted on 11/24/2003 1:43:40 PM PST by Wright is right! (Never get excited about ANYTHING by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: blau993
weaving in and out of traffic at high speed

These are the people who really burn me up. You know, the guys who have to go (at least) 20 mph over the speed limit and continually weave in and out of traffic, cutting people off without using a turn signal so that they don't have to suffer the annoyance of driving at reasonable speeds. Either that or they ride right up on your ass at said 20 mph+ above the speed limit speed trying to force you over a lane. Never mind that there are other cars immediately in front of you, so you couldn't go any faster even if you wanted to.

36 posted on 11/24/2003 1:46:07 PM PST by BlackRazor
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To: SLB
The reason for this type of study being promoted by the IIHS is very simple:

The IIHS likes speed limits set artificially (ie below the 85th percentile speed) low so that as many people as possible will be ticketed for speeding. Drivers with speeding tickets can be charged higher insurance premiums.

Anyone who thinks the IIHS really cares about the safety of drivers is sadly deluded. They exist to promote the interests of the insurance industry, and the insurance industry's interest is making money, nothing else. Higher or lower overall traffic accidents just mean that the market will settle at higher or lower rates, respectively, in the long term.
37 posted on 11/24/2003 1:46:24 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: SLB
bump
38 posted on 11/24/2003 1:48:23 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: SLB
Speed does not kill. It is the interaction between a moving object at one vector (velocity in a given direction) and another object of whatever different vector that intersects its path, and the sudden dislocations that occur.
39 posted on 11/24/2003 1:48:52 PM PST by alloysteel
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To: r9etb
And the doped up truckers from Canuckistan.
40 posted on 11/24/2003 1:52:53 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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