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Nellie Connally Disputes Warren Commission
NewsMax.com ^ | 11/25/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/24/2003 11:56:47 PM PST by kattracks

For all the coverage generated by the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination this past weekend, the media managed to miss the only genuine news to emerge from the commemoration.

Nellie Connally, wife of former Texas Gov. John Connally and the only person still alive who rode in the presidential death limousine, publicly disputed for the first time the Warren Commission's "magic bullet" theory, a scenario absolutely essential to its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's lone assassin.

A year after the assassination the Commission concluded that Kennedy and Gov. Connally were both wounded by the first shot fired by Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository. A second shot missed completely. A third shot slammed into Kennedy's head and splattered his brains throughout the car.

But Mrs. Connally told CNN's Larry King that Kennedy and her husband couldn't have been struck by the same bullet, because she watched her husband react over a period of two seconds after the first shot struck the president.

"John [Connally] sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot," the former Texas first lady said. "He's a hunter and a shooter, you know. . . ."

Mrs. Connally continued:

"So he turned quick to his right and he couldn't see [Kennedy] because he was directly in front of him. And he said, 'No, no, no' and turned to his left. . . . Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John . . ."

When pressed about the single bullet theory adopted by the Warren Commission, Mrs. Connally told King, "Do you think a bullet that went through the president's neck can hang there in air between the two seats while John turned to the right, turned to the left and came back?

"That's what I asked the Warren Commission," she explained. "I said, 'I don't believe a bullet could do that. That bullet -- the same bullet did not hit both of them.'"



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1 posted on 11/24/2003 11:56:47 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I'm not sure yet what I think actually did happen, but I have NEVER believed the Warren Commission report.
2 posted on 11/25/2003 12:04:30 AM PST by Veritas_est (Truth is (it is lawful))
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To: kattracks
Paging Senator Specter, Senator Spector to the courtesy phone please....
3 posted on 11/25/2003 12:11:25 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: kattracks
The "magic bullet" theory is very plausible, and the only one that has not been completely debunked.
4 posted on 11/25/2003 12:16:26 AM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: Peace will be here soon
The "magic bullet" theory is very plausible.

Of course it is. Who is Mrs. Connally going to believe, The Warren Commission or her lying eyes?

5 posted on 11/25/2003 12:21:17 AM PST by Allan
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To: Allan
Who is Mrs. Connally going to believe, The Warren Commission or her lying eyes?

As far as Mrs. Connally goes, she witnessed a very tragic and historic event. I can`t say anything more than that.
6 posted on 11/25/2003 12:44:18 AM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: tpaine; Tares; Deuce; chuckwalla; Shooter 2.5; DustyMoment; aristeides; Schwaeky; #3Fan; ...
ping
7 posted on 11/25/2003 1:01:19 AM PST by Allan
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To: PhilDragoo; texasbluebell; Quix
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8 posted on 11/25/2003 1:14:39 AM PST by Allan
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To: kattracks
Oswald acted alone.















</sarcasm>
9 posted on 11/25/2003 1:21:43 AM PST by Gigantor (When "rights" collide with the war on drugs the "rights" always give a little.)
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To: Veritas_est
I watched History Channel with documentary featuring Oswald's mistress. She claims Oswald was there, by his own ommission to her the day before, to shot the killer. Her story was compelling, but who knows?
10 posted on 11/25/2003 1:28:42 AM PST by raisincane
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To: kattracks; grizzfan
bump
11 posted on 11/25/2003 1:46:17 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Big Midget; grizzfan
And for good measure, another bump for Big Midget's wording.
13 posted on 11/25/2003 2:00:21 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: raisincane
What????
14 posted on 11/25/2003 3:03:01 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: raisincane
She claims Oswald was there, by his own ommission to her the day before, to shot the killer.

uhm... could you try that again in a way that we could probably understand what you are saying?

15 posted on 11/25/2003 3:22:50 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: kattracks
This is hardly news. Connelly himself, who was a foot soldier as a young man and frequently under enemy fire, insisted to his dying day that there were two gunmen, and that the Warren Commission's conclusions were impossible.
16 posted on 11/25/2003 3:48:57 AM PST by Brandon
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To: hotpotato
Oswald spoke to her by telephone the day before Kennedy was shot. He told her his assignment was to shoot the sniper before the sniper got the chance to shoot Kennedy. He also gave her names of three men, and told her not to forget their names. These three men were Texas businessmen with connections to the mafia and LBJ.

Sorry I wasn't clear in first post. I was half asleep.
17 posted on 11/25/2003 3:56:24 AM PST by raisincane
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To: Big Midget
Didn't the Parkland docs all say the hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound and not an exit wound? Am I remembering that correctly?

Of course, it was impossible to prove that later after the docs had used the hole to attempt a trach...
18 posted on 11/25/2003 4:33:30 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Peace will be here soon
"The "magic bullet" theory is very plausible, and the only one that has not been completely debunked"

I'm just curious really, but what color is the sky in your world?

19 posted on 11/25/2003 4:37:57 AM PST by Lloyd227
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To: kattracks
Nellie Connolly is just wrong on this.

SHE AGREES there were only three shots.

One - missed and hit the pavement, (and fragments grazed a bystander on the cheek).

Two - hit the President in the head.

Three - ergo, this shot hit both Connelly and Kennedy.

To say she "saw" three bullets is nonsensical. She heard, not saw three shots, therefore she can't know that one bullet hit both, or disprove it.

Here is a picture of the bullet that hit both. It's not pristine by any means, as conspiracists claim. Here

20 posted on 11/25/2003 4:47:01 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: raisincane
I watched the same show, with my 16 year old son, whose interest in the matter is purely historical. About halfway through, he went into the kitchen and came back with a roll of aluminum foil, and proceeded to fashion hats for both of us. THat was his sole commentary, but I think it's reasonable. Did you notice that not one single shred of corroborating evidence was offered to back up this woman's story? No secondary witnesses, either -- everyone she named who might have been able to verify or debunk her claims is rather conveniently dead. She struck me as a publicity hound, anxious to grab a moment in the spotlight by claiming to be Oswald's lover.
21 posted on 11/25/2003 5:25:54 AM PST by Brandon
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To: Brandon
Connelly himself, who was a foot soldier as a young man and frequently under enemy fire, insisted to his dying day that there were two gunmen, and that the Warren Commission's conclusions were impossible.

Could've been 3 or 4.

22 posted on 11/25/2003 5:36:17 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: veronica; All
Nellie Connolly is just wrong on this.

Here we go again.

23 posted on 11/25/2003 5:39:03 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
If she confirms and believes that there were only three shots, which she does - (as her husband did as well) by process of elimination - one missed and hit the pavement - one hit the President in the head - so - one HAD to hit both men. It's pretty clear.
24 posted on 11/25/2003 5:47:59 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: veronica
It's pretty clear.

Only to you.

25 posted on 11/25/2003 5:52:35 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
To me and many others. Including Lee Harvey Oswald's brother.
26 posted on 11/25/2003 5:54:39 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Peace will be here soon; veronica
The "magic bullet" theory is very plausible.

The theory is very plausible, if and only if, you ASSUME that:

a.) only three shots were fired; and
b.) each shot was fired from the rear.

Since these two assumptions were implicitly made by the WC, the SBT is the only plausible explanation. Expand your thinking to allow for the fact that there may have been other shooters in other locations and the SBT sounds preposterous.

27 posted on 11/25/2003 6:00:46 AM PST by Deuce
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To: Deuce
Nellie Connolly herself states that only three shots were fired. That's a fact.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/22/lkl.00.html

In this interview with Larry King, Nellie Connolly says that there were only three shots - that the second one hit her husband - and that the third shot hit the President's head. She also says that there were no shots from the front.

'Splain that.

28 posted on 11/25/2003 6:15:02 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Brandon
I watched the program. I did a bit of online searching, and came up with: Lee Oswald's Girlfriend in New Orleans? Secret CIA Bioweapons Researcher? Should We Believe Judyth Baker?.

My opinion? No.

29 posted on 11/25/2003 6:19:15 AM PST by Darnright
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To: kattracks
What do you expect from a Commission that had Gerald Ford on it as a member and Arlen Specter on it as an Assistant Counsel?
30 posted on 11/25/2003 6:23:13 AM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: Allan
Thanks for the ping!
31 posted on 11/25/2003 8:17:01 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Allan
Interesting article - thanks for pinging me.

I find it interesting that there are some here who will dispute the words of someone who was actually in the car. Granted, Mrs. Connally is not a scientist or a ballistics expert, but she was there, on the scene and saw/heard what she saw/heard. She was also married to one of the victims; do we think they didn't talk?

There are many complex aspects of the SBT that have not, IMO, been taken into account. Given the shape of the area of Dealy Plaza and the number of buildings around it, acoustically, it would be very difficult to determine the direction from which any given sound emanated unless one was looking at the source of the sound. The surrounding tall structures on three sides of the plaza would cause the sound to echo and travel both upwards and out towards Stemmons Freeway. As the result of these acoustical patterns, it would be difficult for anyone to determine the actual source of the gunshots since ALL of them would sound as though they came from the direction of the TSBD or the jail due to the echo and reverberation of the sound.

Also, there is little that I have seen to suggest the possibility that shooters in front of the motorcade could have fired almost simultaneously; literally within microseconds of one another. Given the acoustics of the area, multiple shots, fired within microseconds of each other, could sound to the average individual like one shot. The three-shots report also precludes the use of silencers by those assassins in front of the motorcade. Silencers existed and were available in those days.

These aspects aside, the reaction of Kennedy's head to the "third" bullet that blew the back of his head off strongly suggests that the shot came from the front. For example, when 2 boxers are fighting and 1 clocks the other directly in the face, the boxer who was hit DOES NOT jerk his head forward, then back. His head will move backward in reaction to the blow, then will snap forward. This is exactly what JFK's head did after the final bullet struck him. There is no other plausible explanation for his head to react that way. That is the physical evidence that supports the theory that assassins were placed in front of the motorcade.
32 posted on 11/25/2003 8:22:24 AM PST by DustyMoment
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To: #3Fan
You might want to read this if you haven't yet!
33 posted on 11/25/2003 8:32:34 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Nita Nupress
Didn't the Parkland docs all say the hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound and not an exit wound? Am I remembering that correctly?

Yep, that's what the ER pros said, but who are they to know...

And in the past day or so, I read something that had never either made sense or else I missed it. It was that the back bullet hole -- the one that hit JFK about 5 or so inches down his back, the one that is apparently the "magic bullet" that went on supposedly through his throat and then made its way all through John Connelly -- this bullet was probed in the hospital and did not go very far into the body.

In other words, it did not exit out the front of his body.

Can anyone refute that?

34 posted on 11/25/2003 8:38:18 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: veronica
The HSCA went on to determine that there was probably a conspiracy, though they could not say who the conspirators were. (They based it not solely on the audio evidence, which some say is debunked.)

The WC is not the end of the story, though everyone seems to ignore the House Select Committee on Assassinations' findings.

I don't know why.
35 posted on 11/25/2003 8:42:56 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Allan; All
Kennedy assassination links for all to consider (in no particular order):

Kennedy Assassination Home Page
Lee Harvey Oswald's Paper Bag
Guinn’s neutron-activation Analysis
Warren Report: Table of Contents
One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK
The Academic JFK Assassination Web Site
HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations) Final Assassinations Report
A Critique of The Warren Report
Attempted assassination of General Walker
Oswald interviews, Acoustic studies and other information relating to the assassination of JFK
Queen of Diamonds
Zapruder 313
Head Wound
Photos and Illustrations of the JFK Assassination
Zapruder Head Shot
A Conspiracy Too Big? Intellectual Dishonesty in the JFK Assassination

If any of the links do not work, please let me know.

36 posted on 11/25/2003 8:43:34 AM PST by Tares
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To: kattracks
Nice for a participant involved to speak for some truth

FINALLY.
37 posted on 11/25/2003 8:54:58 AM PST by Quix (WORK NOW to defeat one personal network friend, relative, associate's liberal idiocy now, warmly)
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To: veronica
I noticed that.

"John [Connally] sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot," [The first shot missed the limo and hit the guy at the triple underpass] the former Texas first lady said. "He's a hunter and a shooter, you know. . . ."

Mrs. Connally continued:

"So he turned quick to his right and he couldn't see [Kennedy] because he was directly in front of him. And he said, 'No, no, no' and turned to his left. . . . Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John . . ." [The second shot or the Pristine bullet or the magic bullet or whatever it's called these days.]

How does this differ from the Warren Report?

Two bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds.

38 posted on 11/25/2003 8:58:14 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Peace will be here soon
The "magic bullet" theory is very plausible, and the only one that has not been completely debunked.

PS: the moon is not made of cheese.

39 posted on 11/25/2003 8:58:55 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Allan
Of course it is. Who is Mrs. Connally going to believe, The Warren Commission or her lying eyes?

LOL

40 posted on 11/25/2003 9:04:07 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: raisincane
She claims Oswald was there, by his own ommission to her the day before, to shot the killer. Her story was compelling, but who knows?

Please clarify: Oswald's role was to kill another sniper?

41 posted on 11/25/2003 9:05:21 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: texasbluebell
Yes, I can.

The rear hole was 5 1/2 inches below his Mastoid Process and an inch to the right of spine. Measure downward from the bony thing behind your ear lobe.

A 161 grain bullet going 2000 feet a second doesn't stop in a finger's length of flesh.

Only three shots fired and Connelly's thigh was injured. Think about it.
42 posted on 11/25/2003 9:09:45 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Deuce
If four bullets were fired, but two of them were fired simultaneously or virtually simultaneously, how would Nellie Connally or any other witness know that there were more than three shots?
43 posted on 11/25/2003 9:11:22 AM PST by aristeides
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To: veronica
Nellie Connolly herself states that only three shots were fired. 'Splain that.

She was mistaken. Taking all of the eye witnesses, accoustic evidence, photographic evidence, injuries observed by Parkland doctors, etc. Leads me to multiple shooters firing more than three shoots

44 posted on 11/25/2003 9:19:26 AM PST by Deuce
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To: texasbluebell
The HSCA went on to determine that there was probably a conspiracy, though they could not say who the conspirators were. (They based it not solely on the audio evidence, which some say is debunked.)

It has been debunked.

45 posted on 11/25/2003 9:29:34 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: texasbluebell
Didn't the Parkland docs all say the hole in JFK's throat was an entrance wound and not an exit wound? Am I remembering that correctly? Yep, that's what the ER pros said, but who are they to know.

Initially they thought that UNTIL they turned him over.

The wound in front was altered when they did the tracheostomy, hence it resembled an entrance wound.

46 posted on 11/25/2003 9:32:19 AM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: aristeides
How would someone using a 20 dollar rifle know when to shoot at the same time as someone shooting in another location?
47 posted on 11/25/2003 9:32:38 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Deuce
She was mistaken. Taking all of the eye witnesses, accoustic evidence, photographic evidence, injuries observed by Parkland doctors, etc. Leads me to multiple shooters firing more than three shoots.

There is ZERO evidence of multiple shooters.

And again, Oswald's own brother, who of all people on earth has a reason to try and find evidence to exonerate his brother, has found none.

48 posted on 11/25/2003 9:38:36 AM PST by veronica (&quot;I just realised I have a perfect part for you in &quot;Terminator 4&quot;....)
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To: Deuce
The three guys on the fifth floor said they heard only three shots.

Zapruder even filmed part of the fence as he panned right.

49 posted on 11/25/2003 9:42:38 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: raisincane
Huh?
50 posted on 11/25/2003 9:43:21 AM PST by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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