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WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!: New Gay Theology Challenges Traditional Views of Scripture and Intimacy
washingtonpost.com ^ | August 9, 2003 | Bill Broadway

Posted on 11/25/2003 8:57:09 AM PST by DrainBamage

Edited on 11/25/2003 9:08:18 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Robert Goss sits on the radical edge of homosexual theology, calling for churches to abandon centuries-old concepts of "normativity" and accept gay men and lesbians for what he says they are: people made in the image of God whose sexuality is a divine blessing.

Goss believes such a change is inevitable, that a diverse and increasingly vocal movement called "queer theology" will create an impact on Christianity matching that of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.

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I couldn't believe what I was reading! Then again, it comes from the Washington ComPost, so why should we really be surprised?!

If you ask me, this so-called "new gay theology" is a greater threat to the fabric of western civilization than Osama bin Laden and the rest of his al Qaeda thugs.

I pray that the forces of darkness do not suceed in destroying the church as we know it. The good news is we already know how this story will end.

BTW, this post is not meant to bash gays, as that would be very un-christian like in my opinion. The purpose of this post is merely to stand up for the TRUTH.

Everyone has free will to choose the lifestyle that suits them best. What bothers me is when that lifestyle is used to blasphemize the Word of God.

Certainly, not all gay people are guilty of this crime and should not, as a group, be unfairly singled out.

1 posted on 11/25/2003 8:57:11 AM PST by DrainBamage
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To: DrainBamage
Rationalization. My gay sister is the queen of it.
Truth is gray. It's not how it is but how you feel.
Geez Louise!
2 posted on 11/25/2003 9:02:04 AM PST by netmilsmom (Proudly, A painful wart on the big toe of progress--No gay marriage!)
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To: DrainBamage
One of the followers is singled out in John 13:23 and 19:26 as "the disciple whom he loved," which itself is "remarkable," Jennings said in a May lecture at the seminary, affiliated with the United Church of Christ.

It truly is sad when these perverts equate love and lust. In other words, if you love someone, you must want to have sex with them. How disgusting.

3 posted on 11/25/2003 9:05:12 AM PST by doc30
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To: DrainBamage
Homosexuality is a gift of God that somehow requires massive doses of modern antibiotics to counter the myriad of diseases that it promotes.
4 posted on 11/25/2003 9:05:12 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: netmilsmom
Hey, it's one thing to rationalize, but it's quite another to attempt to affirmatively undermine the Word of God within the ranks of those who believe in that Word.
5 posted on 11/25/2003 9:07:20 AM PST by DrainBamage
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To: DrainBamage
The cult of narcissism marches on.........
6 posted on 11/25/2003 9:09:22 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: doc30
It truly is sad when these perverts equate love and lust. In other words, if you love someone, you must want to have sex with them. How disgusting.

Boy, you said it!

7 posted on 11/25/2003 9:09:54 AM PST by DrainBamage
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To: DrainBamage
Redefining theology is how 10,000 denominations of Christianity came to be. This is nothing new. Just ask Henry the Eighth.
8 posted on 11/25/2003 9:09:58 AM PST by hunter112
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To: DrainBamage
This is a reversion to Old Testament behavior, and the consequences will be similar.
9 posted on 11/25/2003 9:10:34 AM PST by r9etb
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To: DrainBamage; scripter
Bump & Ping
10 posted on 11/25/2003 9:11:39 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: doc30
Queer love is eros...Christian love is agape.

There is a profound difference.

11 posted on 11/25/2003 9:15:09 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: DrainBamage
This must is certain. When a church EMBRACES sin as the Episcopal and other churches have done, they CEASE TO BE A CHURCH. I-C-H-A-B-O-D
12 posted on 11/25/2003 9:16:30 AM PST by exmarine
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To: DrainBamage; newgeezer
They're tickling yourears.
13 posted on 11/25/2003 9:16:38 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: hunter112
Redefining theology is how 10,000 denominations of Christianity came to be. This is nothing new. Just ask Henry the Eighth.

Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet.

It is (as the communists used to say) no accident that the writer of the original Washington Post article made a parallel between the 16th century Protestant Reformation and the "New Gay Theology". The one leads inevitably to the other. Actions have consequences the actors often don't have intended, people.
14 posted on 11/25/2003 9:19:13 AM PST by Paladin2b
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To: DrainBamage
If you ask me, this so-called "new gay theology" is a greater threat to the fabric of western civilization than Osama bin Laden and the rest of his al Qaeda thugs.

Yes it is by a lot. The problem is that there is no political gain to be made in pushing a war on the homo agenda. Easy political gain can be made by exagerating the threat of terrorism though.

15 posted on 11/25/2003 9:20:49 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: biblewonk
I assure you, they're not tickling my ears -- or anything else.
16 posted on 11/25/2003 9:21:32 AM PST by newgeezer (for further reading on this subject, see Romans 1:26-32)
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To: doc30
"One of the followers is singled out in John 13:23 and 19:26 as "the disciple whom he loved," which itself is "remarkable," Jennings said in a May lecture at the seminary, affiliated with the United Church of Christ."

There was one of these guys on the radio here a few weeks ago. He seemed to have no clue that the Gospel of John was written in Greek, and Greek has 4 different words for the word "love." "Eros" is sexual love, it is not the word in these passages. So now they'll have to make up something else.

I think their basic "moral law" is that "every man should do what is right in his own eyes."

17 posted on 11/25/2003 9:23:08 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: DrainBamage
Everyone has free will to choose the lifestyle that suits them best. What bothers me is when that lifestyle is used to blasphemize the Word of God.

Very bothersome indeed. Those who support the new "Gay Theology" ought to read the letters to the churches in the first few chapeters of the Revelation of John and continue through to the end of the book. WHen they are done, they should start again at Genisis and read through the whole bible - they obviously do not understand the situation.

Oh well, GODS people do hear His voice, and Gods people do have the "Truth" revealed to them, and Gods people WILL be saved, as for others, well, I just dont know...
18 posted on 11/25/2003 9:25:34 AM PST by Roughneck (". . .For there is going to come a time when people won't listen to the truth. . .")
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To: DrainBamage
I couldn't believe what I was reading!

It has nothing to do with WP, this stuff is real and has been at work by professors of theology teaching our clergy for decades.

19 posted on 11/25/2003 9:29:47 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: DrainBamage
Our heavenly Father told us there'd be days like this. Apostates abound....
20 posted on 11/25/2003 9:31:50 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: DrainBamage
Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches

(About the Metropolitan Community Church: Was Jesus 'gay'?)

21 posted on 11/25/2003 9:34:04 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: biblewonk
Yes, sad but true.
22 posted on 11/25/2003 9:34:20 AM PST by DrainBamage
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To: hunter112
Yeah, Henry had issues.
23 posted on 11/25/2003 9:36:30 AM PST by bethelgrad (for God, country, and the Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: DrainBamage
Oh but don't you see, the gay way of things is to believe in the Word of God but selectively. See things the way it will most benefit them.
My sister believes that she judges herself before God. If God made her this way so how could it be wrong. She states that no where in the bible does it talk about Lesbians. I have kindly gotten quotes from FReepers regarding this and passed them along. She says Christ came to override the laws of Kosher and all laws of the OT. Jesus said there are only two laws, Love God above all others (she says she does that) and love your neighbor as yourself. I want to smack her, but it is easier to avoid her.
24 posted on 11/25/2003 9:37:05 AM PST by netmilsmom (Proudly, A painful wart on the big toe of progress--No gay marriage!)
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25 posted on 11/25/2003 9:37:19 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: EdReform
Does "erotic electrification" mean what I think it means?
26 posted on 11/25/2003 9:37:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Paladin2b
"Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet."

I don't want to refight the Reformation, but I don't think this analogy holds water. Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all held to the authority of scripture, indeed they held to it rather more tightly than the Roman church. These gay theologians begin by rejecting Scripture as normative and openly demote it to a position of being subject to human "reinterpretation." What would you do if the Pope ruled homosexual practice to be perfectly normal and okay for priests? ---As the apostolic successor in New Hampshire has already done?

27 posted on 11/25/2003 9:38:39 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: Paladin2b
It is (as the communists used to say) no accident that the writer of the original Washington Post article made a parallel between the 16th century Protestant Reformation and the "New Gay Theology". The one leads inevitably to the other. Actions have consequences the actors often don't have intended, people.

Hardly. The Protestant Reformation sought to restore the Scriptures, saving them from the "traditions of men." Sola Scriptura.

The "New Gay Theology" is a return to the traditions of men, in this case queer folk, who "professing to be wise, they became fools, exchanging the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man..." (Romans 1:23ff)... "...God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for the unnatural, and ... men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another...' (Romans 1:26ff).

Not all "reformers" are correct. The Bible is the standard against which all private interpretations must be judged.

10,000 denominations? Care to name them?

28 posted on 11/25/2003 9:40:59 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: DrainBamage
a diverse and increasingly vocal movement called "queer theology" will create an impact on Christianity matching that of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.

Sola Scriptura Bump.
29 posted on 11/25/2003 9:41:27 AM PST by polemikos (sola scriptura creat hereosis)
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To: DrainBamage
"Complicating the biblical debate, both sides acknowledge, is the lack of any explicit discussion of same-sex relations in the Gospels, the heart of Christian theology that includes the life and teachings of Jesus.

This is a lie. I would like to know their sources. The Bible is clear about same-sex relations.

I also found it interesting in how the attack on the two angles in Sodom is not a "homosexual" issue but a rape issue.

Contrary to what is report by these "queer believers" Jesus never promises a world of peace. He promised peace for his believers. The world will be destroyed.

It would be helpful if they read their Bibles before establishing a church. It may help them doctrinally.

30 posted on 11/25/2003 9:44:53 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: polemikos
You have a very interesting profile page!
What does your tagline mean?
31 posted on 11/25/2003 9:44:54 AM PST by netmilsmom (Proudly, A painful wart on the big toe of progress--No gay marriage!)
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To: nonsporting
"World Christian Encyclopedia" states that there are 33,830 Christian denominations.
32 posted on 11/25/2003 9:45:29 AM PST by polemikos (sola scriptura creat hereosis)
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To: biblewonk; newgeezer; DrainBamage
It definitely sounds like something the Apostle Paul once said in 2 Tim 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

33 posted on 11/25/2003 9:46:49 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: exmarine
My rector laid out the whole thing at education hour Sunday. He went through the references in the bible and parroted the homosexual rationalizations of them.

For example, you can't accept the proscription on it in Leviticus unless you accept EVERY proscription in Leviticus. To which I say that every rule in that book had a good reason behind it. Some are not relevant today. Some are. I would argue that the law against men lying with men is more relevant today than ever.

Later he said, "Now let us discuss what Jesus had to say about homosexuality", then he turned went and took a long drink of water, then came back to the podium and said "Now on to what Paul said".

It was very upsetting.
34 posted on 11/25/2003 9:52:06 AM PST by johnb838 (Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Not the other way around.)
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To: johnb838
It was very upsetting.

Time for you to find a new church friend. Obviously, your church as rejected the plain reading of scripture, and has ceased to be a church. Just hang ICHABOD on the door, dust off your sandals and get away from this corrupted pastor.

35 posted on 11/25/2003 9:55:13 AM PST by exmarine
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To: polemikos
This discussion is about pro-homosexual, apostate distortion of orthodox Christian theology that is agreed upon by the three major branches of the Christian faith. Why do you intend on turning it into another stupid Catholic-Protestant food fight?
36 posted on 11/25/2003 9:59:17 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: johnb838
Tell him to explain Genesis 2:24 - For this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his WIFE. What does the word "WIFE" mean?
37 posted on 11/25/2003 10:02:23 AM PST by exmarine
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To: DrainBamage
What ever happened to Liberation Theology?
38 posted on 11/25/2003 10:06:42 AM PST by randita
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To: johnb838
It was very upsetting.

You don't say! Paul's position, repeatedly affirmed under extreme pressure, was that he was a representative (apostle) personally called by Christ to speak for Him. Any distinction between the "message of Jesus" and the "message of Paul", implying that they came from different sources, means that at least Paul or Jesus has been made irrelevant.

The idea is to make all Scripture irrelevant. (But you already knew that.)

39 posted on 11/25/2003 10:07:43 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Paladin2b
Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet.

Codswallop. The Reformers upheld Scripture as the highest and final rule by which all matters of faith and morals were to be decided. "Queer theology" is an abandonment of the Reformation, not the culmination of it.

The glorification of homosexuality in the liberal churches and the elevation of the Virgin Mary to co-mediatrix are both symptoms of the same disease: the abandonment of the Church's proper rule of faith.

40 posted on 11/25/2003 10:11:25 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: cookcounty
What would you do if the Pope ruled homosexual practice to be perfectly normal and okay for priests?

Popes don't have the power to make falsehood into truth. Such a "ruling" would simply be null and void.

The reality, as I'm sure you know, is that the Pope is the only major figure in the world today standing up for the historic Christian position that the procreative aspect of sex cannot be discarded, not even within marriage.

That was the unanimous position of Christendom prior to 1930. Now every major Protestant group, and most of the Orthodox, can find nothing wrong with birth control. But, in an unusually prescient moment, the former Archbishop of Canterbury said flatly a couple of years ago that, by permitting contraception, the Anglicans had said sex for pleasure was its own justification, and that, having made that admission, there could be no real argument for opposing homosexual practice.

So, I'll bounce the question back to you: what if, instead of caving into the culture beginning with the Anglicans in 1930, every Christian denomination had maintained the position held by the Reformers, that contraception was a sin? Do you really think that we'd be worse off?

As the apostolic successor in New Hampshire has already done?

He may think he's an "apostolic successor," but Roman Catholics don't recognize his ordination, or that of any other Anglican cleric. He's a layman wearing clerical dress, as far as we are concerned.

41 posted on 11/25/2003 10:11:52 AM PST by Campion
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To: RansomOttawa
The Reformers upheld Scripture as the highest and final rule by which all matters of faith and morals were to be decided.

Yes, but decided ... by whom?

42 posted on 11/25/2003 10:13:56 AM PST by Campion
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To: DrainBamage; 88keys; Akron Al; babyface00; Badray; Bikers4Bush; boxerblues; Captiva; ...
sick, sick, sick
43 posted on 11/25/2003 10:18:08 AM PST by North Coast Conservative (never take a gun to a gunfight that doesn't start with at least .40 cal)
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To: Paladin2b
I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther...




44 posted on 11/25/2003 10:23:08 AM PST by johnb838 (Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Not the other way around.)
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To: Paladin2b
Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet.

The culmination of what they set into motion is the United States of America. This country was founded on Protestant Chritian values. I realize this and I was raised Roman Catholic. Do you think for one minute there would have been any American revolution if Britain and her subjects were still a majority Roman Catholic? I don't think so. Protestantism decentralized Christian Theology and worship. Which then culminated into a yearning for decentralized government. Our problem today is that we did not keep to the Founding Fathers' plans. That is the root cause of today's problems.
45 posted on 11/25/2003 10:30:59 AM PST by stig
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To: exmarine
I know. It is breaking my heart but I know deep down I'm going to have to leave. There is a strict Anglican church (1928 Prayer Book) very near my house, and an Anglican Rite Catholic not too terribly far away.

What is ICHABOD?
46 posted on 11/25/2003 10:32:24 AM PST by johnb838 (Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Not the other way around.)
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To: Campion
Roman Catholics don't recognize his ordination, or that of any other Anglican cleric

Well, they were at least willing to work with us and recognize us as a denomination of the Church of Christ, even if they didn't exactly admit we were part of the apostolic succession. Now the RCC and the Orthodox Church are forced to cut ties with us altogether. It is really so sad. This Abomination in a mitre is destroying a denomination of almost three million people.
47 posted on 11/25/2003 10:37:05 AM PST by johnb838 (Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Not the other way around.)
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To: johnb838
ICHABOD was the name given by a mother to a newborn Israelite baby after the Ark of the Covenant was taken by the Philistines when they defeated Israel in battle. It was God's judgment on the Israelites. ICHABOD means that the Spirit of God has departed.
48 posted on 11/25/2003 10:37:08 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Maybe I will send that to my Rector. He will know what it means.
49 posted on 11/25/2003 10:38:49 AM PST by johnb838 (Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Not the other way around.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
"...the myriad of diseases that it promotes."

Quite right! I wish that just once, just once, someone in the lamestream media would point out that Homoism is the single most dangerous habit anyone can engage in. Its far more dangerous than smoking, or eating red meat, hell, its probably more dangerous than heroin.

50 posted on 11/25/2003 10:42:26 AM PST by Pietro
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