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Kerry (Gephardt, Kucinich) Backs Tough Assault Weapons Ban (worse than current ban)
Join Together/CSGV ^ | 11-24-03 | Blaine Rummel

Posted on 11/25/2003 1:36:52 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Kerry Backs Tough Assault Weapons Ban
11/24/2003

Press Release
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
1023 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20005
www.gunfree.org

Contact:
Blaine Rummel
Phone: 202-408-0061 x118

Senator delivers on promise to stand up to the NRA

Washington, DC - Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has co-sponsored S. 1431, a bill that will renew and strengthen the federal assault weapons ban. The action reinforces recent comments he made promising that his would not be the "candidacy of the NRA. We stand up against that."

"Senator Kerry clearly means what he says about standing up for gun safety and saving lives," said Joshua Horwitz, Executive Director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. "We call on the remaining candidates to state their strong support for renewing and strengthening the assault weapons ban."

Senator Kerry joins Reps. Kucinich and Gephardt as the only Democratic presidential candidates co-sponsoring legislation that not only renews but also strengthens the federal assault weapons ban. Candidates Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton also support a strengthened ban, according to their responses to CSGV's candidate survey. The current ban is set to expire September 13, 2004 unless President Bush and Congress act.

Why the Ban Needs To Be Strengthened
The 1994 ban outlaws specific models of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons. But in a willful attempt to violate the spirit of the law, the gun industry continues to manufacture "post-ban" assault weapons guns identical to those banned except for minor cosmetic changes. The Bushmaster XM15 used in last fall's sniper attacks, for example, is a "post-ban" version of the AR15 assault rifle, which is banned under current law.

S. 1431 and H.R. 2038, its House companion, will not only renew the ban, but also prevent the gun industry from manufacturing "post-ban" assault weapons such as the Bushmaster XM15.H.R. 2038 has 108 sponsors.

For more information on the candidates' positions on the gun violence prevention issue, visit www.CandidatesOnGuns.org.

Date of Release: November 24, 2003


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; awb; bang; banglist; domesticenemy; freedomhater; gephardt; johnkerry; kerry; kucinich
In addition, this bill would allow the AG to ban guns if he decides to call it a so called assault weapon.
1 posted on 11/25/2003 1:36:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: *bang_list
PING
2 posted on 11/25/2003 1:37:09 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time Rock N Roll" - Bob Seger)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I have a feeling that these guys really want to lose big in the next election.
3 posted on 11/25/2003 1:38:31 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Bawb is so clueless he actually thinks this will HELP him get elected.

He has no idea what happened in 1994. He thinks it was just random error on the part of voters.
4 posted on 11/25/2003 1:39:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Maybe, just maybe, this will allow Bush to veto the crappy legislation w/o breaking a campaign promise, or cause the HoR to shoot it down. Bush cravenly promised to renew the current one, not enact a harsher one.
5 posted on 11/25/2003 1:40:47 PM PST by .cnI redruM (The social agenda of the Democratic Party reminds me of a creepy XXX fetish show.)
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To: All
Maybe we should stop calling them assault weapons, that just plays into their "PC speak" to demonize rifles.

I won't use their language!!

New Title:

Kerry (Gephardt, Kucinich) Backs Tough modern rifle Ban (worse than current ban).

6 posted on 11/25/2003 1:44:21 PM PST by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: Dan from Michigan
It appears that the RATS are trying to appeal to their voter base. The only problem is that their base is either dead, incarcerated, or has wised up.
7 posted on 11/25/2003 1:45:52 PM PST by wjcsux
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To: Dan from Michigan
But in a willful attempt to violate the spirit of the law

So, now one must abide by the SPIRIT of the law? Gun haters say "you can't have a gun with this, that or the other thing".Fine, these don't, they're now LEGAL.

Could it be you're just afraid of them? Or, maybe it's just BAD law to begin with, hmm?

8 posted on 11/25/2003 1:46:01 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Dan from Michigan
"....prevent the gun industry....."

Does that include the basement & garage "industries", as well? Just curious.......

Yes, yes......it would be "illegal", but does it "prevent"........anything? Therein lies the rub.

9 posted on 11/25/2003 1:46:08 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hopefully Tom DeLay and friends will bottle this bill up in the House so that it never sees the light of day.
10 posted on 11/25/2003 1:50:19 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: CygnusXI
You could really throw the anti's in a spin by calling it the Homeland Defense Rifle ban!
11 posted on 11/25/2003 2:06:22 PM PST by kildak
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To: Dan from Michigan
If these guys haven't realized the the AW ban of '94 was the beginning of the end for the Democrats they are out of the loop and going........going.....gone.
12 posted on 11/25/2003 2:30:24 PM PST by oyez (How does Ted Kennedy sleep, anyway?)
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To: CygnusXI
I nominate Sport/Utility Rifle (SUR).
13 posted on 11/25/2003 2:45:09 PM PST by cryptical
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To: Constitutional Patriot
I have a feeling that these guys really want to lose big in the next election.

That's an interesting possibility. They're against the war in Iraq, for gun control at home, for more taxes, for the futher erosion of marriage . . . things that make you go hmmmmm...
14 posted on 11/25/2003 2:49:41 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: cryptical
I always thought "Grandpa's huntin' rifle" just about sums up the AR-15.
15 posted on 11/25/2003 3:16:23 PM PST by Sender
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To: Sender
In theory, any firearm could be considered an'assault' weapon, as it can be used to attack. Assault means 'to attack'. Sneaky lib language in that thar bill.

What part of 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed' do these people not understand?
16 posted on 11/25/2003 4:04:58 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude
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To: .cnI redruM
Maybe, just maybe, this will allow Bush to veto the crappy legislation w/o breaking a campaign promise, or cause the HoR to shoot it down.

More likely it will serve as cover for making the current ban permanent and baning import of full capacity magazines, no matter when manufactured. That way the RINOs can say, "Well looks what we blocked" and "this was the best "compromise" we could get".

17 posted on 11/25/2003 4:06:49 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
This move is interesting in that Kerry, Kuchinich, and Gephardt are clearly sacrificing their electability in '04 on the altar of short-term left-driven primary advantage.

It's always been known that Democrats run to the Left in primaries and then back to the Center in the general election, but this sort of anti-gun-rights move would be quite an avil to haul around in the general election next year.

It makes pro-gun Dean's chances look far better than their own, in contrast. That's quite a risk to take for Kerry and Gephardt.

Sheesh, next someone's going to tell me that Dean's potential VP candidate pick is going to Afghanistan for a photo op with our troops over the Thanksgiving holidays...

18 posted on 11/25/2003 4:13:57 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: CygnusXI
It's my Homeland Defense rifle...
19 posted on 11/25/2003 4:18:46 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
"In theory, any firearm could be considered an'assault' weapon..."

However, in FACT, the US Army has a pure definition of "assault weapon" and that is any firearm carried by a single infantryman (that is to say, not "crew served") which has a selector switch so the weapon can fire on full auto mode or burst mode. That's why an M16 is a true assault weapon while the civilian model AR15 is not! A simple silly little selector switch. Duh.

20 posted on 11/25/2003 4:26:34 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Southack
It's one of the reasons I took Dean seriously and don't pass him off as McGovern/Mondale(that's Kucinich).

Dean's moved left on guns too, but he's still trying to 'look reasonable' by not taking the "Kerry route" on it.

IMO, it's really dumb for Gep(Yapping on it) especially since he could pull it off with Midwest inroads(If you consider Missouri Midwest), and is the best bet to win Michigan, Ohio, West VA, and maybe Penn(Pitt and Scranton areas). Gep should have done a "Granholm" on the matter(Granholm said she was wrong on CCW and ran away from guns, so much so she picked a pro-2a LT Governor). Now I don't believe for a second that Granholm is pro-2a, but that was a good tactic. On the gun lawsuits bill, Gep showed what a weasel he is by voting for all the bad amendment, and skipping the final vote.

As for Dennis, he's just being consistant on this issue.

John Dukakis Kerry's base is supposed to be the same as Deans, and Dean's taking out what would be his best backers, outside of the gun crowd.

If I was a dem, my election strategy would be simple.
1. Jobs, jobs, jobs, NAFTA/GATT.
2. Race bait
3. Demonize opponent.
4. Pro-2nd Amendment.
5. Pro-abort

The abortion issue is the only one of those 4 that is at odds with most of the Midwest and border swing states, but a pro-life dem can't win nationwide because the base will stay home. It's the same reason pro-abort GOP'ers lose often outside the Northeast.

21 posted on 11/25/2003 4:39:27 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time Rock N Roll" - Bob Seger)
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To: ExSoldier
I think though that's an "assault RIFLE" instead.
22 posted on 11/25/2003 4:40:40 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time Rock N Roll" - Bob Seger)
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To: CygnusXI
Maybe we should stop calling them assault weapons, that just plays into their "PC speak" to demonize rifles.

Not me! It's just increased my determination to get one of those efficient assault guns.

Hmmmm. Classic StuG III or modern Strv 103? Decisions, decisions....


23 posted on 11/25/2003 4:59:00 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Everybody these days, freepers included, is tiptoeing around the term "weapon" and I simply refuse to play that game. I appreciate (as does COL JEFF COOPER) Fine weapons (inclusive et al), beautiful women, old whiskey, good books and true friends.

Rifle/smifle, who cares? An HK MP5 also fits the definition....except it is a pistol calibre and a minor calibre at that....but it is select fire, and therein lies the key.

24 posted on 11/25/2003 6:17:32 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
bttt
25 posted on 02/07/2004 12:32:21 PM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Question for you. What if the new HR 2038 passes and gun manufacturers are stopped from making "post ban" weapons?

Would we have to turn in our XM 15's (that is if we actually had one or two or so)?

Thanks
26 posted on 02/07/2004 12:54:59 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: kildak
Perfect new description!!

Thanks
27 posted on 02/07/2004 12:57:15 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: Dan from Michigan; All
Can anyone help do the research with me and find out if he Cosponsored Michael Dukakis's Gun Confiscation Bill when he was Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts?

I'm still trying to find out who were the cosponsors.
28 posted on 02/07/2004 1:02:11 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: ExSoldier

29 posted on 02/07/2004 1:06:57 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Damn. I forgot about that. ("Defeat Dukakis") I'll take a look.
30 posted on 02/07/2004 2:06:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Hey John F'n Kerry - "WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU!!!!!")
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To: Shooter 2.5
All I found was this and a statement on guns from Dukakis back in 1986, two years after Jane Fonda Kerry was elected to the Senate
31 posted on 02/07/2004 2:14:34 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Hey John F'n Kerry - "WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU!!!!!")
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To: Dan from Michigan
That's all I found too. I'm still looking for the actual bill number so I can check the cosponsors. If any gun owner is even thinking about voting for a dem, I hope that would change their minds. The dems have a long history of disarming the American People and I think they have to answer for it.
32 posted on 02/07/2004 3:00:25 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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