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Many Women at Risk of Being Murdered Don't Know It
YahooNews ^ | 11/28/2003 | AlisonMcCook

Posted on 11/28/2003 11:04:25 AM PST by PeteFromMontana

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To: Yeti
...Maori word for "propaganda" ...

propaganda: horahora körero, tohatoha pänuitanga

22 posted on 11/28/2003 12:53:08 PM PST by Consort
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To: ladyinred
Having been the recipient of domestic violence and stalking, I suppose I better not comment on this since according to the responses here, I am the either the perp or a lying liberal witch.
Been there myself with an attempt made. Strange, I wasn't surprised in the least and had tried to warn authorities.
24 posted on 11/28/2003 12:55:51 PM PST by armymarinemom (I Rocked the Cradle of Death from Above)
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To: Baynative
Woman hits man.

Man call police.

Woman admits above.

man goes to jail.
25 posted on 11/28/2003 12:57:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: PeteFromMontana
Many of these problems are brought on by women themselves.

They choose to date men who have excessively aggressive or violent tendencies.

Then they get upset when they act excessively aggressive or violent.

Granted, there are certianly exceptions to this, but not to the degree that the man-hating feminists and their willing whores in the media portray.

The solution to 'domestic violence' is simple. Women should stop putting out to violent men who beat them. And the men of the community should either socially shun or kick the asses of other men who abuse their wives/girlfriends.

For the case when that doesn't work, women should arm themselves and be prepared to defend themselves.

Bus instead of the 'simple' solution, we now have procedures which don't help anyone. Under the current system, no one (except for the feminists who milk the system and the divorce lawyers) really wants to get involve in a domestic situation because all too often the two parties involved will get back together, and turn on the intervening third party.

Many women also used the 'battered wife' excuse as a prelude to a favorable divorce settlement. This route often wreaks havoc on the male in the process. This hurts not only the men who get screwed by the system, but also the decent guys who are reluctant to enter a committed relationship since they don't want to take the risk of having their lives destroyed by a vindictive woman.

In the long run, this also hurts decent women, since fewer men are willing to enter into a committed relationship.

26 posted on 11/28/2003 12:58:40 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Vidi_Vici_Vinnny
Hell, I feel lucky to have gotten away from my ex wife with my life. This was over 12 years ago, and since then the hysterical man-haters have made things even worse. She tried to strangle me because I wouldn't hand over the keys to my car when she was mad and wanted to go to her mother's house. The last time she drove there when she was mad, she drove home so drunk she couldn't walk, so I was a little leary of giving my car to her. Anyway, after I managed to get away from her, I went across the street and called the cops. When they showed up, she admitted that the cuts on my theoat were from her, that I never lais a hand on her, and that if I stayed there, they would be back for me latter with a body bag. And what did the police do? They told me to leave or they would take me to jail for the night.

Now the laws have gotten so severe that I've known women who have called the police and said that their husband/boyfriend hit them even though they never were never touched, and by law, the cops has to arrest the guy. Convictions are assured, even though it's just her word against his.

On the other side of the fence, my best friend's sister-in-law just went back with the boyfriend that slapped her around and threatened to kill her and her family. It's not like this girl is hard to look at or has the personality of a brick. She's just a loser magnet lacking the common sense that God gave a sack of gutter spikes.

27 posted on 11/28/2003 1:01:13 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: PeteFromMontana
In the report, published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, Nicolaidis and her colleagues note that homicide is the leading cause of death among African-American women between the ages of 15 and 34, and up to half of all women who are murdered are killed by an intimate partner.

Perhaps these women should stop sleeping with gang-bangers and drug dealers? As a clue, men who are violent in their day-to-day lives do not suddenly mellow out when they're with their girlfriends

28 posted on 11/28/2003 1:02:42 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: ladyinred
By chance, have you ever read J.J. Bittenbinder's book? I might not have the spelling right, but I believe that he was a Chicago police officer, detective. Sharp guy. Every now and then, he shows up on "talk radio."

I think the book's title was Hard Target or something like that.

A friend of mine was sent to the U.S. from a foreign country, in order to be save from a powerful mob, so to speak. I bought her a copy of the book, in order to help her increase her awareness of what is versus what is not a threat.

It's amazing what some women think is a "threat" because of what they've "seen on TV," when on the other hand, a "handsome stranger" is one into whom some women project all kinds of great expectations, instead of being patient and getting to know the guy.

Some women are "at risk" because they are impatient; they want what they want when they want it, but they do not want what they do not want when they do not want it; so they operate, what is in their view, a kind of "green light" / "red light" / "force field" that is supposed to get them what they want.

When what they need to do is know men, now the men in their life (no matter how long or brief), and know the man.

While men should do likewise in their relations with women.

In general, I should say, that all people are dangerous, and it is a mistake to think otherwise, when in the course of everyday life, we should be well-practiced at recognizing what is dangerous, in addition to studying, "Is that actually dangerous to me? What do I do when that is not? What do I do when it may be, or is?

Any time that I enter a turn with some speed on the car, I am prepared for a tire to blow out.

If I am handling a firearm, "it is loaded; period."

I look around the bridge supports when I pass under a bridge.

I look up and examine the sides of buildings that I walk by, lest some outcropping be wobbling and waiting ...

On the south side of Columbus, OH, there is a sniper who has now killed an innocent women --- but I am not going to drive down there to see what's going on.

When I enter a aircraft, I examine all the structure around the hatch, to see how well it is maintained.

I do not assume that the yellow stripe down the center of the road, is going to keep people on the other side from hitting my car.

I do not assume that the badge on a police officer's uniform, is going to keep them from abusing their delegated authority.

I do not assume that the terrorists will bother to come into the airline terminal and wait in line, go through the security checks, etc., in order to board an aircraft ... when they can easily jump the fence around the perimeter of the airfield, and go directly to almost any waiting, full-sized jet-liner.

And I do not assume that the people around me are aware, or that they will react to danger, with timing, training, self-discipline, and courage.

In my humble opinion, you, ladyinred are more aware and more alert than many, and that is one reason why you are here. Because you know that trouble can come more easily, than most want to believe, and you would prefer to be both prepared, as well as on top of matters, as best you can, so that, when possible, you can block. stall, or somehow divert the danger.

I would not underestimate you, and I am fairly certain that you have the grit to be a hard target.

29 posted on 11/28/2003 1:12:49 PM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Little Bill
Woman define the relationship, they can walk or continue with it.

From the article:

"Most attacks occurred around the time that women tried to end the relationship."

30 posted on 11/28/2003 1:19:00 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Little Bill
This woman as victim is making me ill, Woman define the relationship, they can walk or continue with it.

Most of these people are looking for Conan and when they find him they don't like the results.

I agree. Women need to stop trying to change the man their are with and just move on to find the man they are looking for.

31 posted on 11/28/2003 1:19:35 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: ladyinred
I was thinking the same thing. I guess "I just asked for it"!!!

32 posted on 11/28/2003 1:19:48 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama
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To: PeteFromMontana
Accusations of physical abuse by the wife, is a common element of divorce proceedings here in MD. The tactic is actually coached by the divorce lawyers. It is used as a negotiating tool in arriving at the settlement agreement and generally works to the wife's advantage.

Seen it many times, my ex attempted it, but was unsuccessful since my lawyer had described to a "T" what was about to happen.

Once the acusation has been made and charges filed, the women will seldom come clean and admit to the lie. Even after the divorce is final.

Spite in divorce seems to be boundless for women.

One of the really tragic effects of this in my area is the false statistics of spousal abuse create a very questionable picture of the actual problem.

33 posted on 11/28/2003 1:24:59 PM PST by There's millions of'em (Bill Clinton was a great Democrat President)
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To: Mulder; ladyinred
Mulder, I agree with you that the current system isn't fair and doesn't work well.

However, I think you have demonstrated that you (and you're not the only one) don't really know how many women find themselves in domestic violence situations.

Women don't always "put out to violent men who beat them", as you put it. It is far more complex than that. Being a man who (I assume) has never raised a hand to harm a woman, I wouldn't expect you to understand the dynamics of such relationships.

Case in point: When I was in my very early twenties, I had a boyfriend (that I loved) who seemed to have everything going for him - he was breathtakingly handsome, owned a home, was incredibly talented, witty, and resourceful, had nice parents - and I was in the relationship for a year and half before he ever laid a finger on me; he had never even given so much as a HINT he would ever do such a thing, aside from being verbally demeaning on occasion. By the time this behavior manifested itself, I lived with him in his home, 2000 miles from where I grew up - and at the time the first attack occurred (btw: no one was more suprised than I was when it happened), I was with him 3000 miles from home; I had almost no money, and few real friends - it also took me a while (since he hadn't always been that way) to realize this would be an ongoing problem for the rest of the relationship.

It took the firm hand and extreme encouragement of a good friend and co-worker - a woman to whom I believe I owe my life - to get me out of there. I was not strong or confident enough to do it myself. After the initial period when he had never hurt me, I lived as an outlet for this man's anger for another 18 months; when I left, he wouldn't let go. Had he been just slightly more screwed up than he was, he probably would have killed me.

It's not as simple as some people think it is.

I am no feminist - far from it - and I love men and believe the system should treat them fairly. This is not, however, always something that can be pinned on women's choices.
34 posted on 11/28/2003 1:26:33 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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To: Doe Eyes
Most attacks occurred around the time that women tried to end the relationship."
I can't speak for all relatinships but that was true in my case. When I sought a divorce my short term X-hubby started stalking me and finally tried to run over me with my own car. I certainly didn't choose to stay with anyone who was controlling much less violent.
35 posted on 11/28/2003 1:39:42 PM PST by armymarinemom (I Rocked the Cradle of Death from Above)
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To: Orangedog
I've seen both scenarios as well. Had a neighbor once who had left an abusive man for a handsome state trooper, who knocked her around eventually as well. Don't know if her third husband is hitting her, but she seemed drawn to that type of man.

Also know of a woman who works with battered women, and in the middle of a divorce she has accused her husband of all kinds of things that nobody else remembers, and it has caused great pain to their children.

I've told my youngest child that if a suitor starts questioning where you were, who you talked to, checks the mileage on your car, etc., he's bad news. BTW, we've also told her she can't date until she's twenty ;-D

36 posted on 11/28/2003 1:43:50 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: PeteFromMontana
A look back at warning signs for 30 women who survived an attempted homicide by an intimate partner revealed that 14 did not know their lives were at risk, and said they were "completely surprised" by the attack.

This is fascinating stuff.
It means that 16 out of 30 had a suspicion or other clue.
Yet they stayed put?

Shouldn't the headline read "OVER HALF OF WOMEN IN A RELATIONSHIP ARE CLUELESS"?

37 posted on 11/28/2003 1:48:47 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: GMMAC; PeteFromMontana
Why would any "consevative" post such an article - at least without comment ???

PeteFromMontana
Since Oct 27, 2003

Yeah, Pete, why would any conservative post this tripe? Perhaps, you a DU'er on vacation? Perhaps you are trying to stir the pot?

Well, whatever it is, you might want to explain things. Another feature to DU disruptor M.O. is the "hit-and-run" posting as you have seem to have done.

39 posted on 11/28/2003 1:53:24 PM PST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: PeteFromMontana
"World to end tomorrow -- women, people of color hardest hit"
40 posted on 11/28/2003 1:54:15 PM PST by pabianice
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