Skip to comments.DEBATE CLOSED? (court's homosexual marriage ruling stirs hornet's nest)
Posted on 11/30/2003 5:30:31 AM PST by LizEdited on 05/26/2004 5:17:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
When Massachusetts' highest court asserted that same-sex marriage is a right protected by the state's constitution and entailed by recent U.S. Supreme Court reasoning about the U.S. Constitution, the president vowed to "do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."
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The problem is that this supersecret cabal of hate-filled individuals work in secret and b/c of their furtiveness, most Americans (not we on FR, natch) do not know of the cabal's activities.
Moreover, elite, hate-filled cultists like Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, and so on, loathe humanity--meaning those who espouse the principles of Christianity--and center their efforts on dis-establishing laws which we consider sacred.
This dangerous cult of America-haters do all their nefarious work secretly through the courts.
Cultural changes of this magnitude should be achieved theough legislation so that all of us have a say in the matter. However, the hate-America crowd avoid public discussion like the plague.
They know they would lose in the court of public opinion.
I don't see this as culture. The fact is that only a minority of leftist activists in the courts, entertainment, and academia support this filth.
Exactly. It is like we do not have the balls to stand up to these bozos and tell them what they can go do with themselves.
One might say, Well, I cannot afford to go into a courtroom whenever someone threatens me with litigation.
I say, then don't. If someone is intimidating you or bullying you into getting what they want in spite of your rights as an American by threatening litigation, you tell them to stick it.
You stand up to them, and don't back down.
That is what happened when the ACLU threatened to sue a school in California for putting the legend, "God Bless America" on their outdoor sign. The ACLU blinked.
A father was reading Bible stories about Sodom and Gomorah to his young son. He read, "The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city, but his wife looked back and was turned to salt." His son asked, "What happened to the flea???" ;-))
Society has steadily accommodated widespread adoption and childrearing by same-sex couples, the sympathetic portrayal of homosexuality in popular culture and the extension of employment and other benefits to same-sex couples (as one-third of Fortune 500 companies already do).
But remember, until the Supreme Court ripped abortion policy away from legislatures - arenas of persuasion - America was more or less amicably adjusting conflicting views: In the five years before Roe vs. Wade (1973), 16 states with 41 percent of America's population liberalized abortion laws. After courts put abortion policy - as they may yet put marriage law - largely beyond political debate in the states, bitterness became constant.
We should avoid enshrining in law those new Self-Evident Truths to which the American public is steadily being Educated.
The GOP had this much figured out long ago ... as they kicked open the door to abortion, discovered the "right" to predetermine the sex of one's children and announced the Government's moral obligation to regulate births and (possibly) increase the death rate as the crisis in population warranted.
The government can provide leadership and direction but should never be put into a position of having to enact controls on population as a result of public ignorance and indifference.
If only the homosexuals could be as savvy about re-forming marriage as the GOP was about re-forming the various "honest and free" reproductive choices of Americans.
They might well have served to restore the "sanctity" of marriage Will quite rightly argues heteros have somehow lost.
Until then, chalk up another issue by which the American populace may be rendered into perfectly predictable voting blocs ... on the liberal side, anyway, where there exist "litmus tests" on issues of personal interpretation such as abortion and homosexual marriage.
The conservatives being free always to compromise objective truths -- such as "all men are created equal" -- in order to "win" or to advance the occasional "humanitarian" objective, such as ESCR.
But if the meaning of marriage and the right to marital status is sufficiently defined with reference to "autonomy of the self . . . [in] certain intimate conduct," what principled, nonarbitrary ground is there for denying the right of marriage to, say, a threesome whose members insist that it is necessary for their self-fulfillment through intimacy?
Gotta love the gratuitous bogeyman which may help to keep conservatives opposed to homosexual marriage in a more predictable fashion.
Given that homosexual "marriage" was once every bit as unthinkable -- though now Fortune 500 companies evidence in policy the shift in American mores -- it's a little stupid to pretend there's a line in the sand against which we cannot possibly cross.
Read your own article, George.
My computer just proposed to my Motherboard !!! ;-))
That's so true. We are faced with an elite cult of activists with the accent on active. However the turf they control -- as you outlined -- academia, media, courts -- are powerful venues to effect their secret agendas.
One of the Big Sticks wielded by the Hollywarped crowd is the ability to proselytize -- that is to brainwash audiences without their knowledge or consent.
What is happening in our schools is a travesty what with Planned P'hood and liberal teachers brainwashing children.
That is why we should thank God for the internet and for FR. Now we can gather to share information--which was not possible before--and hopefully get our points across where it matters.
Along with all those that aid and abet them as well, I think. Nations are judged in time, people in eternity.
Don't discount the importance of the use of the school systems, the newspapers, Television (both news and entertainment shows), the Movies, advertising, etc. to prepare us to accept these court decisions as legitimate.
I made the point in post #6 above (and elsewhere on the site dozens of times) that many agencies and institutions are employed by the cultists to proselytize, brainwash and imbue the unsuspecting with their agenda.
Hollywarped's major industry is producing the framework of movies, TV, music, videos in order to inject this liberal poison into the culture.
You know what is sad?
Just a few years back a it would have been as simple as this..... "Two Guys doin it? Man, that just ain't right!"
I am such a Knuckle dragger.
A proud Knuckle dragger!
By the way I am 40 and thats not to young to remember when we were a moral nation.
We don't need no stinkin ammendment!
Next we will end up needing an amendment defining our relationship with our pets!Then we will end up needing a law firm sized bookshelf to hold the contitution.
1. Capitalism creates oppression; government creates opportunity.
2. Traditional gender roles are artificial but feminism, homosexuality, and transgender-sexuality are government-protected lifestyles.
3. Self-esteem is paramount; government must undertake to guarantee each citizen-victim self-esteem with as many billion dollar programs as it takes.
4. The ACLU is good, because destroying religion and silencing believers are protected by the Constitution and the First Amendment; The NRA is bad because it defends the Constitution;
5. Standardized IQ tests are racist; racial quotas and affirmative action are not.
6. Conservatives are racists; everybody knows that Black people can't make it on their own without big-buck government assistance programs and warped Hollyweirdos to proselytize the message 24/7.
7. Normal sex is perverted. Threesomes, bestiality, pedophilia, necrophilia, homosexuality are just new ways to get a thrill.
8. Moral indignation is our standard strategy for endowing our ideals with superiority.
9. Victimization is our basic belief by which we blame and find others responsible for our own personal failures, then expect taxpayers, deep pocketed individuals, or the courts to bail us out. It feels good to be in the throes of "victimization" and either A) causing victims, B) concocting victims, C) playing victim, D) commiserating over victims, or E) creating another class of victims to bleed over.
10. It's a liberal's duty to treat voters in the manner of raising mushrooms, that is to say, keep them in the dark and feed them lots of horse manure.
So glad you enjoyed the post, onyx. Never fear, I'll repost it whenever necessary.
Oak Hay... so I'm not as smart as Liz... but at least I'm tryin' !!! ;-))
Keep trying, keep trying. It could happen.........maybe not in the near future......but it could happen.
I'll give you A for effort, in any case. LOL.
Perhaps you meant E for effort... but in any case, As and/or Es as achievement indicating criterium are now purposely prohibited by lazy, lunatic liberal aholes as being any type of indication of any possible or probable superiority... merely because it just, maybe, might, make some other dimwit with mucho lesser smarts kinda, sorta, maybe, feeeeeeeeel bad about not being able to achieve a like or similar A and/or E in any reasonable and proper means of exercising mostly minimal evasive efforts in that reprehensibalatiously rediculous regard !!!
Geeez, Liz... you really don't wanna make some lesser than thee idiot feeeeeeeeel bad, do ya??? Gnome Ore Azore Ease. Gottit??? ;-))
Gosh, no. Farthest thing from my mind. LOL......I meant A for
effort. Thought you deserved an A rather than an lowly E. LOL.
Gnome Ore Azore Ease. Gottit??? ;-))
Wazzitu retri-ng toosey? (Two can play this game.)
There ya go... Dragon Ease Tool Owe Earl Evels... but let me show you a post I created for FReeper Rose when she was under the weather... warning her about lower level dangers !!!
So much for lower level Ease and Toe Knees, eh??? ;-))
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