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Imperial Majesty (Arab News makes demands of America in return for Saudi 'help'.)
Arab News ^ | November 30, 2003 | Amr Mohammed Al-Faisal

Posted on 11/30/2003 1:09:37 PM PST by Kashei64

Imperial Majesty

I watched, as I am sure did most of you, the little skit set up for President Bush this Thanksgiving in Baghdad.

Gen. Sanchez and Ambassador Bremer hammed it up on stage like they do on late night talk shows, but instead of a dainty starlet trotting in to entertain the troops, accompanied by the inevitable baying and wolf whistles, lo and behold: It was George Bush who trotted in.

He had slunk in under heavy secrecy lest some enterprising Iraqi insurgents lob some donkey-borne rockets freedom’s way and thereby spoil the photo-op.

Then, after two and half “whole” hours, the president slunk back out of Iraq.

We are told that this shabby little sketch was meant to raise the morale of US troops in Iraq. If that is so, then their morale must really have hit rock bottom.

Now, dear readers, you mustn’t laugh at the Americans; remember they are our friends and allies.

Whoever came up with this lame idea (Ms. Condoleezza Rice will know who I mean) should be ashamed of themselves.

Be that as it may (I’ve always wanted to say that), watching this little farce got me thinking that the Americans are really in serious trouble in Iraq.

This may make the idea of tucking their tails between their legs and getting out of Iraq increasingly attractive to them. But that would have terrible consequences for all of us here in this part of the world.

Iraq, having had its physical and political infrastructures destroyed by the Americans, will then be left in a state of total chaos, with civil war as a natural outcome. These civil wars could then drag us all into a series of regional wars for years to come.

Of course the US will not escape unscathed, for the resultant loss of prestige especially to their armed forces will trigger a general emboldening of their global rivals.

The threat of US military action will have lost much of its deterrent effect, seeing as how Iraq is stretching the US military and economy to breaking point.

The Americans must fix the mess they have made of Iraq before they even think of getting out. In this we in Saudi Arabia should help. We must find a way of allowing the Americans a face-saving exit out of Iraq that leaves that country with a stable and representative government and with the necessary funds to begin its economic recovery.

Of course, we must not do anything before the Americas meet certain conditions in advance. “In advance” is the key word here. This US administration is world famous for its mendacity, and generally speaking cold are the shoulders and thin the bellies of those who relied on American appreciation and gratefulness.

The conditions that must be met before we lift a finger to help the Americans get out of Iraq honorably are the following:

• The adoption by the US of Crown Prince Abdullah’s peace plan as the center piece of US policy in the Middle East.

• The halt to the vicious campaign of hatred and lies propagated in the US against Saudi Arabia. Administration officials starting with President Bush himself must spare no occasion to praise Saudi Arabia and inform the American people how lucky they are to have us as allies.

• The release of all Saudis detained in the US or in Guantanmo Bay into Saudi custody.

This list is by no means exhaustive, and other things may be added. Once these conditions are met, we should spare no effort to help the Americans get out of the Iraqi quagmire.

We should do this for our own and the region’s interest, capitalizing on the current administration’s weakness.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arabnews; iraq; kissmyroyalirish; nukemecca; sandnazis; saudiarabia; waronterror
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The halt to the vicious campaign of hatred and lies propagated in the US against Saudi Arabia. Administration officials starting with President Bush himself must spare no occasion to praise Saudi Arabia and inform the American people how lucky they are to have us as allies.
They must think Americans are stupid. Do they think we forgot that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from this 'ally' of ours?

1 posted on 11/30/2003 1:09:39 PM PST by Kashei64
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To: Kashei64
Sorry, I messed up the html in my comment. It should read:
The halt to the vicious campaign of hatred and lies propagated in the US against Saudi Arabia. Administration officials starting with President Bush himself must spare no occasion to praise Saudi Arabia and inform the American people how lucky they are to have us as allies.
They must think Americans are stupid. Do they think we forgot that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from this 'ally' of ours?
2 posted on 11/30/2003 1:11:17 PM PST by Kashei64
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To: Kashei64
This US administration is world famous for its mendacity, and generally speaking cold are the shoulders and thin the bellies of those who relied on American appreciation and gratefulness.

Go ahead, ask the French, the Germans, the Japanese, the Egyptians and even the palestinians.

Saudi ingrate.
3 posted on 11/30/2003 1:15:01 PM PST by tet68
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To: Kashei64
This list is by no means exhaustive

Certainly. Let's add:

This list is by no means exhaustive
4 posted on 11/30/2003 1:15:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Kashei64
On whose authority does this guy speak? I believe arabnews is state run, so it must be pretty high up.

This is near a declaration of war from these guys. Who the hell do they think they are?
5 posted on 11/30/2003 1:18:32 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Kashei64
Sand. Pound. Go.
6 posted on 11/30/2003 1:20:57 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Spitting on Amr Mohammed Al-Faisal would be a waste of saliva.
7 posted on 11/30/2003 1:28:52 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Kashei64
Thw way we do things here is we keep the original headline, then make any commentary below. That way, the article is searchable.
8 posted on 11/30/2003 1:32:44 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: Monty22
Arab News Editor-in-Chief Khaled al-Maeena is a cheerleader for the royal family. That he would approve this article in Arab News would indicate it had the blessing of that part of the Saudi heirarchy which is decidedly Wahhabist. This would seem to indicate that there is a real battle for power going on in Riyadh. One thing is for sure, this article is making the rounds of Washington right now, and this insulting article will not be taken lightly there.
9 posted on 11/30/2003 1:33:35 PM PST by gaspar
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To: Clara Lou
America should have declared war on Saudi Arabia, Wednesday, September 12, 2001. We could have finished up by Saturday with nukes and there would be nothing left but a few smoking craters. That would have put an end to their dancing parties post haste.

We could have done it all with the Tridents and not even bothered with B-2's or any ICBM's. And the shiny glass of Saudi Arabia would have been a perpetual reminder.

Sorry. Just sick to death of these Saudi bastards.
10 posted on 11/30/2003 1:34:14 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: BCrago66
Sorry, I'm new to the posting thing here. Do you mean I have to keep the title of the article as the title of the post?
11 posted on 11/30/2003 1:35:24 PM PST by Kashei64
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To: Bobby777
Or, in 1990 we should have waited for Saddam to conquer Saudi Arabia and off the royal family, and then kick Saddam out and place our own leaders in charge.

One can dream...
12 posted on 11/30/2003 1:37:27 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: Kashei64
...."Iraq.... will....be left in a state of total chaos, with civil war as a natural outcome. These civil wars could then drag us all into a series of regional wars for years to come."

Yep--it is Allah's will that that be so. Allahu Akbar, y'all.

13 posted on 11/30/2003 1:37:28 PM PST by jolie560
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To: Kashei64
Here's a little Western wisdom the Saudis would do well to take note of:

Robert Burns:

Oh, if God the giftie gie us

to see ourselves as others see us.

14 posted on 11/30/2003 1:38:21 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Bobby777
I think that the House of Saud will suffer consequences sooner or later. I'm not sure that we'll like who replaces them, but they'll get theirs.
15 posted on 11/30/2003 1:39:35 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Toskrin
That was my dream too after we wrung our hands in the aftermath of 9/11 and let Saudi Arabia go. Khaled Shaik Mohammed was a Kuwaiti so I suggested the best way to take care of Saddam was to turn him loose on the house of Saud and Kuwait which screwed the USA on oil prices after we saved their sorry tails in 1991. They would have weakened or nearly destroyed each other. And Israel could have finished off Yasser Arafat at the same time. And then we'd have change in the Middle East.

Ah, but total war in the Middle East is inevitable. I just shudder to think that someting worse than 9/11 will happen and then it will come. 9/11 was the most outrageous attack in history, IMHO. Nonetheless, Islam intends to set fire to the world and we have few choices in dealing with barbarians without being barbarians ourselves. It is a lousy choice to have to make.
16 posted on 11/30/2003 1:42:47 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Clara Lou
I don't doubt it. With Islam there's always a worse kook waiting in the wings.
17 posted on 11/30/2003 1:43:46 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Kashei64
We're actually lucky that America's enemies spell out their true feelings like this article. I prefer this to the lying democrats who have the same worldview, intentions, but disguise it.

The house of Saud knows its days are numbered, and they aren't to go down without a fight. A fight which, considering that they have no industrial capacity, engineering skills, or martial culture, they'll fight using their tools in the media and the willing Democratic party in America.

Have you noticed that the rhetoric coming out of the terrorist propoganda mills is starting to sound alot like what's coming out the mouths of Dean, Kucinich, et al?
18 posted on 11/30/2003 1:48:33 PM PST by mikenola
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To: Kashei64
Welcome. It's important to keep the original title so it turns up in searches and doesn't get posted multiple times. You can comment, in comment, or if it fits, title it like this. A search for Imperial Majesty would turn your post up.

Imperial Majesty [Arab News makes demands of America in return for Saudi 'help']

19 posted on 11/30/2003 1:50:06 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Kashei64
All those demands......Wow that is big talk coming from a bunch of inbred camel humpers.

The sooner we can dump our reliance on the Saudis and their ilk, the better. We need to get serious about treating our energy needs as a VITAL MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY. More drilling is just a temporary solution, we need to pull more oil from the ground but we absolutely have to look seriously at alternative renewable energy sources. I hate to admit it but the enviro-weenies are 100% right about that.
20 posted on 11/30/2003 1:52:16 PM PST by XRdsRev
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To: Bobby777
Enough with the Saudi bashing! At least they want to help. And the Saudi Arabs can be a big help in defeating Al Qaeda just like they were in defeating the Soviet Union. The Saudis are a proud and independent people. If an editorial like that is helpful to the pro-western faction in building support for the war in Iraq then so be it! It represents the kind of raucous debate that can lead to a free press.

There are dangerous factions in Saudi. For goodness sake. We don't want a repeat of the Carter disaster in Iran. We should be doing everything we can to help the Saudi Arabs avoid catastrophe. This is in everybody's best interest.

21 posted on 11/30/2003 1:55:52 PM PST by trek
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To: Kashei64
Do you mean I have to keep the title of the article as the title of the post?

Yes, that is the accepted convention. That way it's possible to find previous postings of the article. This article, for example, was posted here earlier today. A search for "Imperial" or "Majesty" will find it.

22 posted on 11/30/2003 1:56:37 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Kashei64
I've got some 'help' for the Saudis. They tested that 'help' in Florida not long ago.
23 posted on 11/30/2003 1:58:00 PM PST by vladog
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To: trek
Oh please. Saudi Arabia IS Islam. Any deal with America is a deal of convenience. Their intent is the same as the others. Wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. "First the Saturday people and then the Sunday people". It's not a coincidence that the home to 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers is home to Mecca and Medina.

In the wake of 9/11 you speak of "Saudi bashing". Sheesh
24 posted on 11/30/2003 2:02:40 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Kashei64
Looks like we'll get no help from these ragheads.
25 posted on 11/30/2003 2:02:47 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: Kashei64
It's good this rag-headed camel jockey has learned to use irony in his writing. (The Brits probably taught him.) When his culture collapses under the weight events resulting from the liberation of Iraq, SA will need a world weary commentator. But how these morons don't yet understand that Bush "says what he means, and means what he says," is beyond me. We are slaughtering a generation of terrorists in Iraq. Victory: the smell of burning Wahabbis in the morning.
26 posted on 11/30/2003 2:10:57 PM PST by Faraday
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To: Cindy; yonif; Alouette; Yehuda; dennisw; Lent; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; rdb3; mhking; MeeknMing; ...
ping to thread ...
27 posted on 11/30/2003 2:11:10 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
We are told that this shabby little sketch was meant to raise the morale of US troops in Iraq. If that is so, then their morale must really have hit rock bottom.

Now, dear readers, you mustn’t laugh at the Americans; remember they are our friends and allies.

Whoever came up with this lame idea (Ms. Condoleezza Rice will know who I mean) should be ashamed of themselves.

Be that as it may (I’ve always wanted to say that), watching this little farce got me thinking that the Americans are really in serious trouble in Iraq.


ungrateful bastards ... as stated by another poster, we shoulda let Saddam have them ... our boys and girls shed their blood, gave their lives to protect these ungrateful bastards ... and our tax dollars supported and protected them ...
28 posted on 11/30/2003 2:15:41 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Kashei64; Admin Moderator
What do you think of a new WARNING label type.

"BARF ALERT" applies to democRAT progressive socialist left wing radical rants.

"ISLAMINAZI ALERT" applies to delusional, paranoid, Islamic jihadist militant, anti-american rants.

maybe call it "JIHADIST ALERT"

29 posted on 11/30/2003 2:35:34 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Merry F'ing Christmas (From the new hit movie "Bad PokeyJoe"))
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To: Kashei64
We no longer need Saudi help. However, after we take care of Iraq & Iran, we will be able to dictate Saudi governmental reform initiatives.

30 posted on 11/30/2003 2:35:35 PM PST by playball0 (Fortune favors the bold)
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To: playball0
take care of Saudi Arabia first ... they initiated the 9/11 attack ... and their people knew ... that'll wake Iran up ...
31 posted on 11/30/2003 2:45:09 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: playball0
and all we have to do is have the troops go south out of Iraq ...
32 posted on 11/30/2003 2:46:01 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Kashei64
Dear Amr Mohammed Al-Faisal:

Keep up the talk. Perhaps you will be able to move Saudia Arabia up in front of Iran and Syria in this WOI. There are still many Americans who don't understand the totality of this war or are willing to accept it. Comments like yours are appreciated as they will convince more and more of my fellow citizens of the exact nature and breadth of this war.

33 posted on 11/30/2003 2:49:47 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: Kashei64
So the Royal Family is dictating the terms of surrender? When Madina is a lake of molten glass they will be glad to accept any terms of surrender that we might dictate. If not, we can always turn Mecca into a lake of molten glass.
34 posted on 11/30/2003 2:55:16 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Kashei64
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Now, dear readers, you mustn’t laugh at the Americans; remember they are our friends and allies."


REALLY??!!

35 posted on 11/30/2003 2:57:51 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Bobby777
Don't be naive! The Saudi Arabs are not a monolithic block of crazed Al Qaeda militants! Use your head man! If that were true how do you explain the successful collaboration between the US and Saudi Arabia going all the way back to the founding of their nation?

Of course there are dangerous islamists in the country. Primarily in the South and East. But there are also pro-western elements. We share mutual deadly enemies with these elements both inside and outside Saudi Arabia (e.g. Iran).

If we are going to win the war with the islamo-fascists then Americans are going to have to develop a little nuance about the moslem world. For goodness sake they are not all even Arabs. The biggest danger, Iran, is a bitter foe of the Saudi Arabs and they are neither Arab nor Sunni moslem.

I expect the left to attack in knee-jerk fashion America's potential allies. I have much higher hopes for the right. And higher expectations yet for informed folks like the Freepers.

36 posted on 11/30/2003 2:58:51 PM PST by trek
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To: trek
Sorry. 2800+ dead Americans and their families will disagree with you every day. The Saudis showed their true colors in the aftermath with their "prince" and his $10-million-dollar-if-you-hadn't-supported-the-Jews-this-wouldn't-have-happened ...

I am using my head ... and I DO KNOW who the enemy is ... and no Colin Powell-spin on the situation is ever going to change the facts ... Saudi Arabia is a big part of the problem ... if you think you can have truce with Islam and let them invade you haven't paid attention to the Sudan ... to Algeria ... to Afghanistan ... to Saudi Arabia where no Jewish Synagogue or Christian Church is allowed ... where it is officially the death penalty to covert to other than Islam ...

yeah, I don't understand this at all ... not
37 posted on 11/30/2003 3:05:39 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: trek
America's potential allies

"America's allies" as you call them financed September 11 ... FReepers know ... the FBI knows ... the whole Justice Department knows it ... we have several hundred dead American soliders from the 1991 war where we SAVED SAUDI ARABIA ... they paid us back with 9/11 ...

that's a pretty clear essay on these "allies" ... and yet you bring this Colin Powell spin on their article ... towards what end?
38 posted on 11/30/2003 3:10:37 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Alouette
America had more reason to strike against Saudi Arabia than any other country in the aftermath of 9/11. Nothing wrong with bombing the terror camps in Afghanistan but Saudi money trails have popped up again and again. Now I wonder why? ... it's pretty obvious ...
39 posted on 11/30/2003 3:14:42 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Kashei64
This should have been posted in humor.
40 posted on 11/30/2003 3:16:51 PM PST by Let's Roll (Pray that our brave troops receive protection, guidance and support in their fight against evil.)
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To: ImpBill
Congratulations for being someone who "gets it" ... the Saudis must be paying off a lot of spin-doctors in the USA ... like CAIR, etc.
41 posted on 11/30/2003 3:17:44 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Are you blind to my post??? What does the death count in the 9/11 attack have to do with developing a strategy to win the war with the perps? Let me try one more time.

THERE ARE SAUDI ARABS WHO ARE OUR FRIENDS AND THERE ARE SAUDI ARABS WHO ARE OUR ENEMIES

Encouraging our friends and attacking our enemies is essential to winning the war.

EOM

42 posted on 11/30/2003 3:21:08 PM PST by trek
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To: trek
I can see right through your post. Nobody says there aren't Saudis who don't support such. But you act as if the House of Saud knew nothing of 9/11 ... puhleeze ...

you don't work for the House of Saud do you?
43 posted on 11/30/2003 3:23:33 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: trek
let me try one more time ... do you think all Iraqis supported Saddam? ... did you support removing Saddam?
44 posted on 11/30/2003 3:24:52 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: trek
No offense, but why do they (Saudi Arabia in general and the Royal Family specifically) keep funding the Wahabbi clerics who turn Islam into a religion of hate and spawn creatures like bin Laden and fifteen of the nineteen hijackers? Why do they build mosques around the world which server as fund raising and recruiting centers for the Jihadis?
They have made their bed, let 'em be buried in it.
45 posted on 11/30/2003 3:25:19 PM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: Little Ray
thank YOU!!!
46 posted on 11/30/2003 3:27:04 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Little Ray
and why to they fund and support Palestinian terrorists? ... the Saudi support of Palestinian terrorists no doubt gave encouragement to the 9/11 terrorists ...
47 posted on 11/30/2003 3:28:47 PM PST by Bobby777
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Saudi Columnist: 'We Have Bred Monsters ... We Are the Problem and Not America'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1031222/posts
48 posted on 11/30/2003 3:45:11 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Thanks. I have gotten "it" long before 911. What concerns me is that there are so many Americans, especially around here that don't get "it". I wonder after we take our next "hit", that makes even 911 look like a Sunday school picnic, and when a once again a majority of the thugs involved are members of the Saudi privilaged class, if enough people will finally "get it". I don't hold my breath.
49 posted on 11/30/2003 3:53:09 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: trek
There were japanese who didnt support Pearl Harbor. Its the 95% of Saudis that make the other 5% of Saudis look bad. I remember polls that showed better than 90% of Saudis and Pals that wanted Saddam to beat america. They also want Osama to be their leader. FRY EM ALL!!!
50 posted on 11/30/2003 3:56:58 PM PST by Coroner
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