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Police Officers battle threatening 400lb 5'6" man ("..he keeps hollering 19...")
The CIncinnati Enqirer ^ | Monday, December 1, 2003 | Brenna R. Kelly

Posted on 12/01/2003 5:18:27 AM PST by yankeedame

Monday, December 1, 2003

Man dies after brawl with city police officers

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By Brenna R. Kelly The Cincinnati Enquirer

A 41-year-old man died after a violent struggle Sunday morning with Cincinnati police officers outside a North Avondale fast-food restaurant.

The fight, which included the nearly 400-pound man hitting officers and police repeatedly striking him with nightsticks, was caught on tape from a camera in an officer's patrol car.


Nathaniel Jones, from 1998 police booking photo. (AP photo)

Within minutes of the struggle ending, Nathaniel Jones was dead.

The six officers involved were placed on administrative leave while several agencies, including police homicide and internal affairs units, the Citizen Complaint Authority and the Hamilton County Coroner's Office investigate.

Assistant Police Chief Richard Janke said the police video shows that the officers followed their training and were justified in using force to subdue Jones.

But Roger Webster, Fraternal Order of Police president, said that after the incident the officers were treated like suspects. He said they were questioned for hours, read their legal rights and only allowed one phone call.

"My question to the police administration is, what criminal act are you investigating? You are accusing these cops of being criminals," Webster said angrily outside police headquarters. "That is why they don't want to work, because they are treated worse than the criminals they arrest."

In June, the Citizen Complaint Authority cleared a police officer of any wrongdoing in the Feb. 9 shooting death of a burglary suspect in Northside.

Of the officers involved Sunday, authorities identified the two who responded first: Baron Osterman, who has one year on the force, and James Pike, a seven-year veteran.

Police officials, radio transmissions and the video give a picture of how the circumstances unfolded at the White Castle at 64 W. Mitchell Ave., just west of Vine Street.

About 5:50 a.m. a White Castle employee called 911 to report that a man had passed out in the grass outside the restaurant.

"He's breathing, but he keeps hollering 19," she told the call taker.

When emergency medical personnel arrived, Jones was awake and "becoming a nuisance" at the restaurant, according to a tape of radio transmissions in which firefighters ask police to respond.

In the video, Jones walks toward an officer, who yells, "Stay back."

Jones then lunged, swinging at the officer's head before he stumbled into the officer, taking him down.

The two officers, Osterman and Pike, jabbed Jones in the torso with nightsticks as they repeatedly yelled, "Put your hands behind your back."

But Jones continued to fight, flailing his arms and grabbing one of the police batons. The officers called for backup, asking especially for someone with a stun gun. Eventually, six officers responded, many of them also using their batons to strike Jones. After a struggle with all six, they got Jones on his stomach and his arms behind his back.

The officers turned Jones over after he was handcuffed over and realized he needed medical help, Janke said.

"He looked to be in enough distress that the officers immediately called for a fire company," Janke said.

Jones had a pulse when EMS arrived, but he died within minutes of arriving at University Hospital, Janke said.

Why Jones behaved as he did is not yet known, Janke said.

During the struggle, officers tried to call for an officer trained to deal with people with mental health problems, but the officer was on another call.

Police did not use a stun gun, but did use chemical spray in addition to the batons. Janke did not know how many of the officers hit Jones.

Police estimate that Jones, who was 5 foot 6 inches tall, weighed 400 pounds. They did not release a current address for Jones.

According to court records, Jones pleaded guilty in 1998 to possessing cocaine and was given three years probation, which included inpatient treatment at Talbert House. A month after his sentencing, Jones violated his probation and was sentenced to a year in jail, records show.

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Notice the article's headine

Notice the race of the newly deceased

Note the fact that, once again, the police are the eye of the storm.

"I neither approve or blame. I merely relate."- Voltaire

1 posted on 12/01/2003 5:18:32 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Well, the riots should start anytime now; Complete with plenty of face time for some recalcitrant "Reverend" and fawning national news coverage.
2 posted on 12/01/2003 5:21:46 AM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Skooz
Yep. I live here. We now will begin weeping and moaning, followed by b!tching and burning, followed by lawsuits and payouts. You couldn't pay me enough to be a policeman.
3 posted on 12/01/2003 5:24:26 AM PST by 50sDad ("Earth First! Then we make MARS our B!tch!")
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To: yankeedame
Crack killed Apple Jack
4 posted on 12/01/2003 5:25:16 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: yankeedame
These police oficers were obviously racists who just wanted to kill a black man.

I expect the "Rev" Al Sharpton to announce he is on the case shortly.
5 posted on 12/01/2003 5:26:49 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ain't Skeered...)
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To: yankeedame
Just showed video of this on Imus (MSNBC)
6 posted on 12/01/2003 5:27:23 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: yankeedame
"He's breathing, but he keeps hollering 19," she told the call taker.

I knew Louis Farrakhan was to blame.

7 posted on 12/01/2003 5:29:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !)
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To: yankeedame
19... a special number in the numerology of "Mothership" Louis Farakhan. Have no idea why.
8 posted on 12/01/2003 5:31:02 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Lazamataz
Another FReeper with a mind like a lint trap.
9 posted on 12/01/2003 5:31:29 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: freedom1st
I'd like 6 Castles to go with a large fry and a coke. Extra fried onions please!
10 posted on 12/01/2003 5:32:20 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: yankeedame

11 posted on 12/01/2003 5:34:14 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Doc Savage
This guy is (was) huge.
12 posted on 12/01/2003 5:34:19 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: yankeedame
Cincinnati is the American Johanessburg
13 posted on 12/01/2003 5:34:56 AM PST by montag813
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To: yankeedame
That meth is some bad stuff ....
14 posted on 12/01/2003 5:35:32 AM PST by Rainmist
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To: montag813
BS. Wait until you see the video of this whale attacking the police several times. They were fighting for their lives. If he would have overpowered them and grabbed one of their guns, they would have been dead.
15 posted on 12/01/2003 5:39:31 AM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Lazamataz
Have no idea why.

C'mon - it's so simple. I can't believe you don't get it...

FARRAKHAN: Abraham Lincoln, when he saw this great divide, he pondered a solution of separation. Abraham Lincoln said he never was in favor of our being jurors or having equal status with the Whites of this nation. Abraham Lincoln said that if there were to be a superior or inferior, he would rather the superior position be assigned to the White race. There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.

In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.

Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 -- when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded.
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FARRAKHAN: The first four letters of the word form the foundation; "a-t-o-n". . . "a-ton", "a-ton". Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt. In the 18th dynasty, a Pharaoh named Akhenaton, was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people to the worship of one god. And that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding the Egyptian Ankh - the cross of life. A-ton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt. A- ton, the one god. 19 rays. Look at your scripture.

A woman, remember the nine, means somebody pregnant, with an idea. But, in this case, its a woman pregnant with a male child destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron. God is standing over her womb, and this child will be like the day sun, and he will say "I am the light of the world." Hands coming out of that sun, come unto me all ye that are heavy laden. I'm gonna give you rest, but I'm gonna give you life, because I am the resurrection and the life and if you believe in me, though you are dead, yet shall you live again.

You're dead, Black man. But if you believe in the god who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays, meaning he's pregnant with God's spirit, God's life, God's wisdom. Abraham Lincoln's statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, 16 (OFF-MIKE) and the third president, 19. Standing on the steps of the Capitol, in the light of the sun. Offering life to a people who are dead.

Black man, the a-ton represents the one God. In the Koran, Muhammad is called a light giving son. So if you look at the aton, add an "e" to it, and separate the "a" from the next four letters and you get the word a tone.

Atone means sound. And "a", the first letter of the alphabet and the first letter of the numerical system is one. So "a" equals one. So "a" sound means when you hear the "a" tone, you will hear the right sound. And when you hear the right sound from the one God calling you to divine life, you will respond. So what is the "a" tone? In music, a equals 440 vibrations. How long have we been in America? Four hundred and forty years.

Well, in the 440th year, from the one God, the aton will come the a tone and all of us got to tune up our lives by the sound of the a tone. Because we've got to atone for all that we have done wrong. And when you atone, if you take the "t" and couple it with the "a" and hyphenate it, you get at one. So when you atone you become at one. At one with who? The aton or the one God. Because you heard the a tone and you tuned up your life and now you're ready to make a new beginning.

So when you get at one, you get the next two letters. It is "m" "e". Me. Who is it that has to atone?

(AUDIENCE): Me.

FARRAKHAN: Who went wrong?

(AUDIENCE): Me.

FARRAKHAN: Who got to fix it?

(AUDIENCE): Me.

FARRAKHAN: Who should we look to?

(AUDIENCE): Me.

FARRAKHAN: Yes! And then if you add, if you add another letter to "me" you get an "n". What does that say?

(AUDIENCE): Men.

FARRAKHAN: So Farrakhan called men. Why did you call men? Because in the beginning, God made man. And if we are at a new beginning, we got to make a man all over again, but make him in the image and the likeness of God.

Simple, right? ;)

16 posted on 12/01/2003 5:41:41 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: general_re
Silly me.

Another cup of coffee should help too.
17 posted on 12/01/2003 5:44:44 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Understanding this kind of psychoceramics might be aided by putting shot or two of whiskey in that coffee...
18 posted on 12/01/2003 5:49:07 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: Skooz
Well, the riots should start anytime now...

Alas, you may be right: The weather today is supposed to be 45, clear and sunny.

19 posted on 12/01/2003 5:49:23 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Skooz
"Well, the riots should start anytime now; Complete with plenty of face time for some recalcitrant "Reverend" and fawning national news coverage."

Way to cold.

It has to be warm for that.

20 posted on 12/01/2003 5:50:24 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: general_re
Thanks, that explains everything! :)

Rush used to take calls from some woman who bought into all this stuff. Of course she was bananas, but her drivel was hysterical.
21 posted on 12/01/2003 5:50:35 AM PST by VoiceOfBruck (Aging gracelessly)
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To: general_re
Please, nothing stronger than gin before breakfast.
22 posted on 12/01/2003 5:51:44 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Silly me.

Another cup of coffee should help too.

I think I might need to dig out the 30 cup coffee maker to understand that.

I pray things stay calm, I have to drive in that area 3 times a week.

23 posted on 12/01/2003 5:52:01 AM PST by muggs
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To: general_re
That clown should be drooling on himself in a rubber room.

Hard to believe that some people take that wackjob seriously.
24 posted on 12/01/2003 5:52:17 AM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
19...

Maybe it's the number of murder-burgers he ate. That's probably what killed him.

25 posted on 12/01/2003 5:52:19 AM PST by jocon307 (The Dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: newgeezer
Dijew see this? I saw it on the news this morning. I'm surprised the riots haven't already started.
26 posted on 12/01/2003 5:53:00 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: VoiceOfBruck
I remember her on Rush. I think her name was Loraine. I guess she has gone on to that orbiting Mother Ship.
27 posted on 12/01/2003 5:54:58 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: VoiceOfBruck
Rush used to take calls from some woman who bought into all this stuff. Of course she was bananas, but her drivel was hysterical.

Yeah. She was from Chicago. Rita X, I believe.

She was a riot for a few years, but the last time she called she was just pathetic. Maybe the government's mind beams had destroyed her brain cells.

28 posted on 12/01/2003 5:56:15 AM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
If 9 AM on Monday morning isn't a good time for a nip from the old ankle-flask, I don't know what is...
29 posted on 12/01/2003 5:56:19 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: yankeedame
"He kept on yelling 19">>>>>>
He obviously was trying to order #19.

That would be ..... Large Burger..... double meat double cheese......Large fries....... and a choclate malt....

How do you think he got to weigh 400 pounds?
30 posted on 12/01/2003 5:58:08 AM PST by Ditter
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To: yankeedame
Thankfully I no longer work downtown, and this time I will certainly not be a prisoner in my own home when the wimp mayor puts out his curfew. As much as I hate fighting the Christmas crowds at the mall, I feel a spending spree coming on.
31 posted on 12/01/2003 5:58:12 AM PST by Corporate Law (<><)
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To: Lazamataz
Wasn't there a Steely Dan song named "19"?
32 posted on 12/01/2003 5:59:04 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: 50sDad
Was he a football player or a manhole cover? If he would have been 4 in. taller he would have been round.
33 posted on 12/01/2003 5:59:56 AM PST by Big Horn
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To: VoiceOfBruck; Skooz
That's just the tip of the iceberg. If you're feeling especially brave, you can plumb the depths of his entire Million-Man March speech here...
34 posted on 12/01/2003 5:59:59 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: Skooz
Well, the riots should start anytime now...

Overweight people are going to riot in support?

35 posted on 12/01/2003 6:00:13 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Skooz
Your right, she was Rita X.
36 posted on 12/01/2003 6:00:18 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: general_re
East coast libretine!
37 posted on 12/01/2003 6:00:20 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Rebelbase
Hey 19. No, we can't dance, no we can't talk at all.

Please take me along when you climb on down.....

38 posted on 12/01/2003 6:00:40 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (NORTH KOREA is a DANGEROUS CANCER in late stages; we still only meditate and take herbal medicines)
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To: Pharmboy
BS. Wait until you see the video of this whale attacking the police several times. They were fighting for their lives. If he would have overpowered them and grabbed one of their guns, they would have been dead.

You misunderstood my comments, when I compare Cincinnati with Johannesberg, I am not referring to police brutality, but to the rampant black-on-black and black-on-white crime. It is a urban jungle of savages.

39 posted on 12/01/2003 6:04:02 AM PST by montag813
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The good people of Cinn-city should be prepared to defend themselves. It is probably not a good day for a trip downtown.
40 posted on 12/01/2003 6:06:39 AM PST by BadAndy
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Hey, whaddaya want? I waited for the workday to begin, and if you saw some of the people I have to deal with, you'd start drinking during the morning commute too ;)
41 posted on 12/01/2003 6:08:41 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: general_re
I used to do the DC area commute... why do you think I'm in New Mexico?
42 posted on 12/01/2003 6:10:34 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Skooz
Even better, they are supposed to swear in the new slate of city council this morning.
43 posted on 12/01/2003 6:11:19 AM PST by Corporate Law (<><)
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To: yankeedame
Police did not use a stun gun, but did use chemical spray in addition to the batons.

My guess is that he had a reaction to the spray and died of asphyxiation.

44 posted on 12/01/2003 6:15:03 AM PST by r9etb
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To: yankeedame
During the struggle, officers tried to call for an officer trained to deal with people with mental health problems, but the officer was on another call.

Too many mentally ill running loose.

45 posted on 12/01/2003 6:16:02 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Tijeras_Slim
DC was too hard on your liver? ;)
46 posted on 12/01/2003 6:16:56 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: yankeedame
Maybe he had just chowed down 19 of those sliders.
47 posted on 12/01/2003 6:21:03 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: general_re
DC was too hard on your liver? ;)

Well, when Teddy says "Slim, you gotta slow down..." You know it's time for a change.

48 posted on 12/01/2003 6:21:04 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: yankeedame
See? Fast food kills.
49 posted on 12/01/2003 6:23:39 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: yankeedame; G.Mason
I have it on good authority that 42 degrees is the cut off point.

The difference between 45 and 42 is 3.
He keeps hollering "19" 1 + 9 = 10
My authority says 42 4 + 2 = 6

Do the math
50 posted on 12/01/2003 6:27:48 AM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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