Arnold on drivers licenses

SacBee Weblog ^ | 12/02/03 | Daniel Weintraub

[gubamyster]

Reporter: "You did say that to me when we talked one on one (Sept. 6, 2003) that you would consider a package deal that would have included a requirement of insurance for those people that are going to get the drivers license. That I know is something that you believe in. Do you also believe that all undocumented immigrants will be able to get a drivers license if they present insurance, if they have a background check, fingerprints?

[gubamyster]

ping

[HiTech RedNeck]

and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy

WHY SHOULD AHHHHNOLD CARE?!?!? DO THEY VOTE?!?!? HE HAD TO COME HERE IN THE LEGAL WAY, WHY CAN'T THEY?!?!?

[Texas_Jarhead]

BARF!

[FairOpinion]

Key point:

"This is what we are going to talk about, but right now the most important thing is to get this passed (the repeal of SB 60) so we can move to other issues."

Arnold is not in any hurry to revisit the issue. He stopped the disaster, now he is working on solving the budget crisis.

[gubamyster]

Do you also believe that all undocumented immigrants will be able to get a drivers license if they present insurance, if they have a background check, fingerprints?

Governor: "Absolutely...yes

....let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

Give me a break. Your spinning (or dishonesty) is Carville-esque.

What about "absolutely...yes" do you not understand?

[tame]

Don't blame me. I voted for Tom! :-)

Tom would not revisit, he would relocate illegal aliens.

[JustPiper]

Do you also believe that all undocumented immigrants will be able to get a drivers license if they present insurance, if they have a background check, fingerprints?

Governor: "Absolutely...yes. This is what we are going to work on. This is what we are going to talk about, but right now the most important thing is to get this passed (the repeal of SB 60) so we can move to other issues.

Oh, do give me a bleepin' break Guvnor!

[Flyer]

as long as they are able to show proof of insurance, undergo background checks and have their digital fingerprints recorded

I assume that when the background check indicates they are a criminal fugitive for illegally entering the country the license will be denied and they will be turned over to INS. Maybe?

[Fledermaus]

I wish we could repeal the same stupid law in Tennessee. We've been giving illegals licenses for three years.

[flamefront]

The Governor praises the unabashed Reconquista Cedillo!

Amazing quotes.

[Nea Wood]

let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

This makes my blood boil. I'm glad I can honestly say I didn't vote for this clown. The reason Californians don't want illegals to get licenses is not just because there are no "background checks," but because it's just plain wrong! We don't want to reward illegality and encourage even more illegals to come here! We, the citizens of California, have been hornswoggled again.

So...when Arnold tries to push through licenses for illegals, adding "background checks" or whatever, what happens then? Do we start collecting signatures again? What happens to all the signatures already collected to stop SB60? They just go into the trash? What do we do now?

[Protagoras]

Let's do it the right way, let's make every Californian happy and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

I live to make criminals happy. The "New" Republican party slogan, "Can't we all just make everyone happy?"

[4Freedom]

Hey FairOpinion, let me be among the first to say, I told you so!

ROTFLMAO!

It'll be fun watching you try to spin Arnold the RINO out of this.

[cartoonistx]

And on another issue......

[4Freedom]

Yeah, and Vicent Fox is going to cooperate with a check of these Mexican's criminal records from Mexico.

Illegally jumping our border expunges their criminal records, for all intents and purposes, anyway.

The right bribe, to the right person in Mexico, will keep crimes off your record in the first place or clean your record after the fact.

The amazing thing is that Arnold believes this crap coming out of his own mouth. What a 'rube'.

LOL!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

The reason Californians don't want illegals to get licenses is not just because there are no "background checks," but because it's just plain wrong!

Then why do they vote Democrats into both houses of congress? The Demos have said all along they would do this.

[Sabertooth]

Key point:

The key point is the confirmation of what I've been telling you all along...

"It doesn't make sense if the majority of Californians run around and hate the idea of undocumented immigrants having drivers licenses because there is no background check, because it doesn't solve the problem with insurance. Let's do it the right way, let's make every Californian happy and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

Contrast with...

Schwarzenegger criticized Davis for signing a bill granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants, saying, "We're leaving ourselves wide open to terrorism." And he repeated his support for a guest-worker visa program -- "then they can (get) driver's licenses hooked together with insurance."
Sacramento Bee - September 9th, 2003

Not much of a contrast at all, actually.

Schwarzenegger clearly favors CDLs with background checks for Illegal Aliens.

He completely misunderstands why the majority of Californians are outraged over this issue.

Arnold is not in any hurry to revisit the issue. He stopped the disaster, now he is working on solving the budget crisis.

The petition to overturn SB60 in March is what stopped SB60.

Schwarzenegger has revealed his true feelings about giving CDLs to Illegals. Indeed, they were never concealed. Those of you who thought his opposition was genuine or principled were wrong. If you now say that "Arnold is not in any hurry to revisit the issue," you'll understand our skepticism of that prognostication.

If it is repealed now during the Legislature's special session, Schwarzenegger would be open to discussing the issue again in January once legislators reconvene for the start of their regular session, [Schwarzenegger's communications director, Rob] Stutzman said. He might be open to a compromise that tightens security procedures around obtaining a license, but still allows illegal immigrants to drive.
Long Beach Press Telegram - November 22nd, 2003

Schwarzenegger's own communications director appears to belie your wishful thinking.

[Sabertooth]

Then why do they vote Democrats into both houses of congress? The Demos have said all along they would do this.

Because Republicans are too spineless to offer the alternative.

They have bought the media myth since the passage of Prop #187 that doing the right thing with regard to Illegals is mean and will cost them elections. But hey, at least they get to pal around with Ted Kennedy.

[dalereed]

"Do we start collecting signatures again? What happens to all the signatures already collected to stop SB60? They just go into the trash?"

A referendum petition will be started the minute that He signs any new legislation giving illegals DLs, Save Our Licence organization isn't abandoning the issue or disbanding.

The current petitions are dead the minute that He signs the repeal legislation but I doubt they will be destroyed. The are a data base to get signatures on the next petition.

[Nea Wood]

Thanks, Dale.

[F16Fighter]

Arnold: "Let's do it the right way, let's make every Californian happy and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

Will somebody, anybody ask Gov. Arnold which Constitutional Amendment authorizes such a premise??

[dalereed]

Assembly Votes to Repeal SB 60!

Today the Assembly voted 64-9 to fully repeal SB 60. This is more than the necessary 2/3rds vote. Governor Schwarzenegger will sign the bill. As soon as it is chaptered. SB 60 will be dead!

This is a great success for those of you involved in this referendum effort. This referendum, unlike an initiative, could only repeal SB 60. So, as a result of the Legislature's actions, our effort is ending.

But this doesn't end the fight. Senator Gil Cedillo has pledged to fight for another law that rewards illegals with legal licenses as early as this January.

Save Our License will remain as long as we have resources to keep up the fight.

In the coming weeks we will keep you informed about SB 60 and what we can do to stop it and any new bills like it.

Thanks for all your hard work!

Sincerely,

Mike Spence, President
California Republican Assembly
Save Our License

[Sabertooth]

It doesn't make sense if the majority of Californians run around and hate the idea of undocumented immigrants having drivers licenses because there is no background check, because it doesn't solve the problem with insurance. Let's do it the right way, let's make every Californian happy and let's make the undocumented immigrants happy."

~ Arnold Schwarzenegger - December 1st, 2003

Do you like apples?

[Pelham]

So...when Arnold tries to push through licenses for illegals, adding "background checks" or whatever, what happens then?

Another recall.

[dalereed]

Since just being an illegal is a felony, apparently being a criminal isn't considered part of a background check.

[BibChr]

Gotta agree with you.

I can't get around the analogy (mine own) that it's like saying that someone breaks into my house to burgle; but if I can just run a background check on him, he should get a license to continue to burgle.

As soon as the "background check" shows that the guy is here (hel-lo?) ILLEGALLY, he should be THROWN THE HECK OUT.

I hope Schwarzenegger, who I think is generally doing a bang-up job, comes around to that.

Dan

[dalereed]

"I hope Schwarzenegger, who I think is generally doing a bang-up job, comes around to that."

You must be living in a dream world!

[BibChr]

You must be living in an illiterate world.

[Sabertooth]

As soon as the "background check" shows that the guy is here (hel-lo?) ILLEGALLY, he should be THROWN THE HECK OUT.

I hope Schwarzenegger, who I think is generally doing a bang-up job, comes around to that.

While I'm encouraged by the first sentence, I'm bemused by the second. Schwarzenegger campaigned that he wouldn't "come around to that," and you voted for him.

Schwarzenegger has said all along that he doesn't want the Illegals out and that he does want to give them CDLs with proper securtiy measures and background checks.

One of two things will happen.

Schwarzenegger and Cedillo will work out a compromise which gives CDLs to Illegals, or they'll make a bipartisan appeal to get the Feds to reclassify the Illegals as "guest workers," and then give them the CDLs.

You also have to wonder about Schwarzenegger's repeated emphasis on giving the Illegals auto insurance. Was there anything in SB60 that denied them auto insurance?

[Sabertooth]

Since just being an illegal is a felony, apparently being a criminal isn't considered part of a background check.

The baloney has a first name, A-m-n-e-s-t-y.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> he will agree to legislation giving illegal immigrants licenses as long as they are able to show proof of insurance, undergo background checks and have their digital fingerprints recorded <<

Well, it looks like Arnold is becoming a true politician, going back on campaign promises already. Illegals should be rounded up and sent back home, not given drivers licenses. I really thought Arnold would have a backbone and stand up to these special interest groups. Guess I was wrong...again.

[Sabertooth]

Well, it looks like Arnold is becoming a true politician, going back on campaign promises already. Illegals should be rounded up and sent back home, not given drivers licenses. I really thought Arnold would have a backbone and stand up to these special interest groups. Guess I was wrong...again.

You are wrong, Arnold isn't going back on campaign promises.

Throughout his campaign Schwarzenegger consistently said that he wants CDLs for Illegals with background checks, that they should not be deported, and that he wants to lobby Washington to legalize them with some sort of "guest worker" status.

[dalereed]

" A-m-n-e-s-t-y"

The only amnesty should be 30 days to get out of the country or there will be a bounty on them!

[janetgreen]

This is the reason I voted for Tom McClintock, I knew Arnold would agree to anything George Bush wants. Bush wants amnesty and entitlements to illegal aliens, Arnold will help it along.

[pogo101]

I'm really not all THAT worried about Schwarzenegger. Consider the possibility that he is bullsh***ing the Left on this one, leading them along a-purpose, knowing all the while that he's not going to sign a bill giving DLs to people whose presence in the state is not itself legal.

If he is sincere, I STILL believe that his more pragmatic handlers will make him realize, "Even if you really want to do this, don't, because you'll be seen as breaking trust with the 70% of Californians who think it's lunacy. You'll blow your political capital without doing any real good."

[Sabertooth]

Consider the possibility that he is bullsh***ing the Left on this one, leading them along a-purpose, knowing all the while that he's not going to sign a bill giving DLs to people whose presence in the state is not itself legal.

So, in your best case scenario, I should trust that he's lying?

Setting aside that bit of cognitive dissonance; lying to what end?

SB60 was going to be overturned by refernedum without any lying. There is no need for it. An overwhelming, bipartisan majority of Californians is opposed to CDLs for Illegals under any circumstances.

The lying, if it's lying, serves no good purpose, and once again concedes the terms of the debate to the Democrats, in that amidst his stated positions (are they all lies?), Schwarzenegger says he wants Illegals to be legalized, and to get CDLs and insurance.

If he is sincere, I STILL believe that his more pragmatic handlers will make him realize, "Even if you really want to do this, don't, because you'll be seen as breaking trust with the 70% of Californians who think it's lunacy. You'll blow your political capital without doing any real good."

If he is sincere, he is wildly out of touch. Yet in this fall back scenario, I'm supposed to trust unelected, unkown, and unaccountable pragmatists to save Arnold from himself?

Neither scenario is especially confidence-instilling.

[gubamyster]

Consider the possibility that he is bullsh***ing the Left on this one, leading them along a-purpose, knowing all the while that he's not going to sign a bill giving DLs to people whose presence in the state is not itself legal.

I hope you are right about B/S-ing the left, but I doubt it. Arnold's position is the same as when he campaigned. Do you really believe that Cedillo would get every Dem except 9 to vote against a bill he introduced, a bill for which he staged a very public signing, a bill which he dedicated to his deceased wife, if there had not been any deal made to reintroduce & pass a revised SB60 later?

Both Republicans & Democrats, all the way to the national level, are afraid of this going to the voters & having a public rejection by 60% or more of the population. They want to try get a bill through the legislature & signed by the governor with a little public debate as possible.

[dalereed]

"Both Republicans & Democrats, all the way to the national level, are afraid of this going to the voters & having a public rejection by 60% or more of the population. They want to try get a bill through the legislature & signed by the governor with a little public debate as possible"

There will be a new referendum petition on any illegal drivers licence bill bo matter what restrictions they might try to justify it with.

[BibChr]

Can't remember ever whining about being slandered.

I do remember pointing out the fact.

What a graceless, unlovely person you must be, to respond this way to my agreeing with you. Why would I ever care, then, whether someone like you believed me or not?

Dan

[gubamyster]

There will be a new referendum petition on any illegal drivers licence bill bo matter what restrictions they might try to justify it with.

You are right. They aren't going to be able to get this by the "stupid people" this time. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't much rather keep this out of the public & national spectrum.

[pogo101]

I didn't say I liked what I was hearing. I said I wasn't as worried about it are you. And, for the record, BS-ing isn't lying. To my knowledge, his only public promise to Cedillo et al. is that he will "look at" and "consider." Plenty of wiggle room there.

This may not be Boy Scout stuff (if he is BS-ing), but it isn't lying, either -- and may be more conserving of political capital than a guileless, totally honest approach would. That isn't to say I personally wouldn't prefer the latter, McClintockian approach: "Sorry, but I am against DLs to illegal immigrants under any circumstances, no matter how many security and insurance provisions such a measure may bear. And if one somehow is passed overriding my veto, I assure you that I will take the matter to the people by referendum and overturn it -- although, if it comes to that, I will be seeking recalls of several legislators at the same time."

[dalereed]

"That doesn't mean that they wouldn't much rather keep this out of the public & national spectrum."

Arnold had nothing to do with what went on in the legislature, the only reason it was introduced and passes is because we had more than enough signatures to qualify the referendum. They had to stop the referendum or the overwhelming vote for it would have made drivers licences for illegals an untouchable item.

[BibChr]

Two angry, clueless little snipes. What a shock.

Enjoy yourself; I'm guessing that's about all you have.

Dan

[Admin Moderator]

Cool it.

[FairOpinion]

Arnold did get the drivers licences for illegals law repealed, didn't he?

That was the main thing.

Now he is busy getting CA's budget crisis solved.

I think a lot of what he says is being taken out of context by people who are trying to find something to criticize about him. Everything he did is A-OK, so they keep fear mongering, that "wait until he will legitimize illegals, wait until he will raise our taxes, wait until he is going to starve little children" and so on, and so on.

[BibChr]

Sure. I get no more gratuitous attacks, I'll need offer no responses.

Dan