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They Want Your Children
The New American ^ | June 8, 1998 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 12/03/2003 2:27:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior with self-destructive consequences. Young people sometimes fall prey to it in early adolescence; the initial repugnance provoked by the vice in many cases yields to fascination and eventually results in addiction. As a result of homosexuality, promising lives are cut tragically short by disease, and health care costs are incurred that are absorbed by families and the community at large.

Every element of this description applies to smoking, a practice that, unlike homosexuality, is not condemned by the Bible as an abomination before God and has not been denounced by millennia of Western moral teaching as a dire perversion. Just as there are many people who have abandoned tobacco after adolescent experimentation or even years of regular use, there are many people who have abandoned the vice of homosexuality after dabbling with it as confused adolescents or struggling with it for years. Accordingly, the contrast between the Clinton Administration’s crusade against youth smoking and its efforts to encourage acceptance of homosexual behavior among youth is instructive.

Dangerous Double Standard

"Today, the epidemic of teen smoking is raging throughout our nation as, one by one, our children are lured by multimillion dollar marketing schemes designed to do exactly that," intoned Mr. Clinton in a March 7th radio address. "Three thousand children start to smoke every day illegally, and 1,000 of them will die sooner because of it. This is a national tragedy that every American should be honor-bound to prevent."

After enumerating the steps already taken to "educate" schoolchildren about the evils of tobacco, "reduce their access to tobacco products," and severely "restrict tobacco companies from advertising to young people," Mr. Clinton insisted that "even this is not enough to fully protect our children." He urged the public to support legislation that would dramatically raise the price of cigarettes, penalize the tobacco industry if it "keeps selling cigarettes to our children," and "restrict tobacco ads aimed at young people, so that our children can’t fall prey to the deadly threat of tobacco."

In short, the Clinton Administration, in defiance of constitutional impediments, seeks to mobilize the full regulatory and enforcement resources of the central government in a campaign to protect schoolchildren against a form of self-destructive behavior. Of course, no similar crusade has been mounted by the Administration to discourage the similarly self-destructive form of behavior called homosexuality.

For anti-tobacco zealots, the evil lure of tobacco is embodied in "Joe Camel," a commercial mascot created by R.J. Reynolds Company whose seductive appeal supposedly overpowers the resistance of suggestible youth. Teen smoking, claimed Bill Clinton recently, "has everything to do with Joe Camel." In her syndicated newspaper column, Hillary Clinton inveighed against actress Julia Roberts for chain-smoking in the popular film My Best Friend’s Wedding. "Movie stars who puff away on screen equate smoking with status, power, confidence, and glamour," pontificated Mrs. Clinton. The First Lady did not condemn the same film for featuring a homosexual character that embodied "status, power, confidence, and glamour," of course.

Thus, it is not surprising that the same Clinton Administration which has made Joe Camel a totem of evil has embraced homosexual actress Ellen DeGeneres, who has made herself a living advertisement for the normalization of her chosen perversion. DeGeneres and her "lover" Anne Heche have been welcomed at White House social events, and have been photographed with the President.

In an October 16th speech before the Hollywood Radio and Television Society, Vice President Al Gore applauded DeGeneres for using her television program to propagandize on behalf of homosexuality. When she "came out" on her program, Gore explained to a Hollywood audience, "millions of Americans were forced to look at sexual orientation in a more open light." Compounding the irony is the fact that DeGeneres, in a fit of petulant militancy, demanded that the ABC television network remove the "TV 14" rating from her program, in order to make it more accessible to impressionable children.

The Administration’s anti-tobacco rhetoric casts tobacco companies as predators who brazenly target young potential customers as a means of expanding their markets. Whether or not this charge applies to tobacco companies, it is certainly true of radical homosexual activists. Writing in The Advocate, lesbian activist Donna Minkowitz urged her comrades to "take the offensive for a change, whether the issue is promiscuity or recruiting the previously straight.... Ten percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!"

The July 15, 1993 Washington Post reported that recruiting efforts are enjoying success. In many Washington, DC-area public schools, noted the Post, students are not only discussing "gay rights" issues in class, but also "declaring their own bisexuality or homosexuality, a step some said they were taking to be trendy or cool." Some students, in fact, "outed" themselves merely "to protect themselves from just being normal."

If evidence were to emerge that a tobacco company had targeted schoolchildren as "closeted" smokers, and had insinuated propaganda into public school classrooms to encourage them to "experiment" with tobacco, the ATF and FDA would probably mount a paramilitary raid on the company’s corporate offices and drag its executives off to jail in leg irons. Yet the Clinton Administration has energetically supported efforts to normalize homosexuality and to compel social acceptance of the vice, and those efforts are carried out in many of the same public school classrooms in which schoolchildren are catechized about the evils of smoking.

Reality Behind the Rhetoric

Early in Bill Clinton’s first term, Andrew Kopkind of The Nation magazine pointed out that "homosexuality is — by presidential directive — a positive qualification for an Administration job." Mr. Clinton retains his penchant for the pervert lobby.

Last November, Bill Clinton convened a summit on "hate crimes" at the White House, an event to which radical homosexual activists were conspicuously invited. In remarks at that event, Mr. Clinton declared, "Children have to be taught to hate. We need to make sure someone is teaching them not to do so." In the vocabulary of the left, "hatred" includes rejection of homosexuality and opposition to the political demands of the Lavender Lobby. The largest and most high-profile of the radical homosexual groups involved in the fight against "hatred" is the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), which hosted President Clinton at a fundraising dinner in Washington, DC earlier this year.

A few weeks after President Clinton conferred his imprimatur on the HRC, the group co-hosted an event at the University of California-Santa Cruz entitled "Exposed!" The four-day event, which drew high school and college students, as well as educators and activists, was a festival of hard-core pornography and radical activism. Workshops included a lecture by prostitute Teresa Dulce and a performance by "pleasure activist" Annie Sprinkle which included excerpts from her X-rated videos. Another film offering at the event was entitled Blood Sisters: Leather Dykes & Sadomasochism and Daddy at the Muscle Academy.

Among the "academic" presentations at "Exposed!" was a workshop entitled "Town, Gown and Tea Rooms: The University and Public Homosexual Sex," conducted by a UC-Berkeley researcher who admitted to committing anonymous homosexual acts in campus bathrooms. A reporter for the Lambda Report who attended "Exposed!" undercover recalled that "in the audience [at the bathroom sex workshop] was Tomas Almaguer, a homosexual professor at the University of Michigan who would give the closing speech at the conference the following morning. Almaguer said he practiced ‘tearoom’ sex and defended it as a good means of ‘recruiting’ young men and women into homosexuality."

This is the repellent reality behind the Lavender Lobby’s rhetoric of "tolerance" and "inclusion." From "academic" settings such as the "Exposed!" conference radiate initiatives and measures which use the classroom as a recruiting ground.

Teaching Tools

In 1996, the National Education Association (NEA) — which was arguably the most powerful element of the Clinton coalition — adopted as part of its bylaws Resolution B-7, which deals with "Racism, Sexism, and Sexual Orientation Discrimination." The measure called for the elimination of "discrimination" against homosexuality, the imposition of policies to "increase acceptance" of "gays and lesbians," the integration of an "accurate portrayal" of homosexuals "throughout history and across the curriculum," the eradication of "subtle practices that favor the education of one student over another on the basis of … sexual orientation," and the development and implementation of "training programs on these matters."

One of the tools available to achieve the goals outlined by the NEA is a video entitled It’s Elementary: Talking About Gay Issues in School, which has been screened in classrooms across the country. Set in six elementary and middle schools, the agitprop video depicts supposedly candid discussions between "enlightened" teachers and schoolchildren. The discussions follow a predictable script: Homosexuals are treated as oppressed victims; objection to the practice is scorned as bigotry; and Christianity is singled out for individualized condemnation.

"Some Christians believe if you’re gay, you’ll go to hell, so they want to torture them and stuff like that," insists a fifth grader with the enthusiastic certainty typical of misled innocence. An eighth grader recites one of the sodomite lobby’s preferred sophistries: "If kids are too young to be taught about homosexuality, then they are too young to be taught about heterosexuality." A first-grade teacher from Wisconsin insists that parents should be compelled to enroll their children in sodomite mind-laundry classes: "If parents are allowed to have their children opt out of gay and lesbian units [classes], what will happen when we teach about Dutch culture or African-American history? It scares me."

"It’s Elementary is the latest tool in a fast-growing campaign," reports Robert H. Knight of the Family Research Council. "A homosexual teachers group, Gay, Lesbian and Straight Teachers Network (GLSTN), has produced its own video, Teaching Respect for All, as part of its second annual ‘back to school’ campaign. The 50-minute video is based on the staff training program created by GLSTN for the Massachusetts Department of Education under Republican Governor William Weld."

It was under Weld that the Bay State became the trendsetter in officially sanctioned pro-homosexuality classroom indoctrination. Peter LaBarbera, publisher of the Lambda Report, observes that under Weld’s leadership, "Massachusetts became ground zero in the movement to promote homosexual-affirming education policies, and the state’s ‘educrats’ are now working with gay groups to export them to other school districts nationwide. In 1994, after Weld created his precedent-setting ‘Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth,’ Massachusetts became the first state to enact a ‘gay rights’ law for schools."

Among the innovations mandated by the Governor’s Commission, in a February 1993 report entitled Making Schools Safe for Gay and Lesbian Youth: Breaking the Silence in Schools and Families, was the requirement that "all certified teachers and educators will receive training in issues relevant to the needs and problems faced by gay and lesbian youth. Such training should be a requirement for teacher certification and school accreditation." Significantly, no exception was recommended for accredited religious and private schools. The Commission also decreed that pro-homosexual messages be "integrated into all subject areas" and the removal of "biases in existing curriculum, such as the exclusive use of opposite-sex couples in math or foreign language exercises."

Not content with compelled indoctrination of both teachers and students and the censorship of "homophobic" classroom material, the Commission dictated a set of "Anti-Harassment Policies and Guidelines." "Schools should adopt and publicize policies which prohibit anti-gay language and harassment on the part of faculty and students" and propound "clear guidelines … for dealing with anti-gay epithets and speech," decreed the Commission. The body further directed teachers and staff to take all necessary measures to eliminate "discriminatory attitudes directed against gay and lesbian people in general." The Commission also called for the creation of "Gay/Straight Student Alliances" in "every high school in the Commonwealth"; these "alliances" are essentially liaison offices with the Lavender Lobby.

Causing Them to Stumble

Newsweek for November 8, 1993 reported that in Massachusetts, "National Coming Out Day" is "an autumnal rite every bit as gala as graduation day...." In the state that contributed homosexual Congressman Barney Frank to the House of Representatives, noted Newsweek, "multiculturalism has come to embrace multisexualism." Thus "more students seem to be coming out, and they’re coming out younger. A climate of greater tolerance is making it possible for teens to explore more openly what they’ve historically sampled in secret."

One of those responsible for the expanding epidemic among Massachusetts teenagers is Karen Harbeck of the Massachusetts Governor’s Advisory Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth. Speaking in June 1997 at the Second Congress on Family Law and the Rights of Children in San Francisco, Harbeck proudly outlined the gains made by the sodomite revolution: "Ten years ago, the average age of ‘coming out of the closet’ for gay men was 26; the average age for lesbians was 28. On the average, young people today are coming out of the closet at age 15.... And if you come out of the closet at age 14, 15, or 16, you’ve probably been gay or lesbian for the previous six years and had no one to talk to."

While most people would be startled by the idea of a "closeted" eight-year-old, Harbeck insists that public schools have to "liberate" such children — now designated as "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trans-sexual, or Questioning" (GLBTQ) youth — at the earliest possible age. "By seventh grade it’s too late," Harbeck insisted. "People say this is an issue mainly for high school sex education class. They’re wrong; it belongs in pre-school."

One result of the "gay youth" revolution in Massachusetts, observes LaBarbera, "has been a proliferation of horror stories, as parents get wind of one-sided, pro-homosexual ‘lessons’ or even ‘gay pride’ rallies at their child’s school, often after the fact." Typical of this trend is the case of Mike Chiusano of Beverly, Massachusetts, who in 1994 was denounced as a "homophobe" at the dinner table by his then-14-year-old daughter after she had attended four days of mandatory assemblies entitled "Homophobia Week." "When Mr. Chiusano protested to the Beverly High administrators, his family became the victim of a harassment campaign, including a phone call to his wife from one zealot who threatened, ‘We know where your daughter lives,’" recalls LaBarbera.

In March 1997, Douglas Matthews, the faculty adviser to the "gay-straight alliance" at Algonquin Regional High School, distributed a "Questionnaire about Heterosexuality" to students in a freshman history class. The questionnaire was designed to expose and rebuke "homophobic" attitudes among students. Among the questions contained in the handout was the following: "If you’ve never slept with a person of the same sex and enjoyed it, is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?"

A similar document was distributed to students at Cupertino High School in California. Entitled "Heterosexuality: Can It be Cured?" the leaflet, distributed by the American Public Health Association Caucus of Gay and Public Health Workers, declared: "Heterosexuality is a condition characterized by a sexual attraction to members of the opposite gender. Many persons, in all cultures, at all times, have been heterosexual.... Whatever the cause of this phenomenon, we can state without doubt that there are many problems associated with heterosexuality, both for the individual and society at large." Among the "problems" listed were pregnancy and "a state of homophobia." Suggested "cures" for heterosexuality included psychotherapy and widespread sterilization of the heterosexual population.

The time is not far distant when it may be a federal offense for anyone in either the public or the private sectors to present smoking in a positive — or even neutral — context. If present trends in the classroom are any guide, the same federal government will eventually criminalize opposition of any kind to homosexuality — and American schoolchildren are being prepared for that dreadful day.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; newamerican; recruiting

1 posted on 12/03/2003 2:27:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks. For my class reading.
2 posted on 12/03/2003 2:39:20 PM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bttt
3 posted on 12/03/2003 2:41:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In March 1997, Douglas Matthews, the faculty adviser to the "gay-straight alliance" at Algonquin Regional High School, distributed a "Questionnaire about Heterosexuality" to students in a freshman history class. The questionnaire was designed to expose and rebuke "homophobic" attitudes among students. Among the questions contained in the handout was the following: "If you’ve never slept with a person of the same sex and enjoyed it, is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?"

History class???????

4 posted on 12/03/2003 2:45:25 PM PST by ladylib
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
5 posted on 12/03/2003 2:47:58 PM PST by onedoug
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To: ladylib
I think I'm going to be ill.
This is EXACTLY why my boys are in a private Christian school.
6 posted on 12/03/2003 2:57:50 PM PST by Indie (Orwell was only a couple dozen years ahead of his time.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yeah, leave it to public schools to keep kids away from tobacco but cheer them on as they march towards a future of STD's and AIDS.
7 posted on 12/03/2003 3:13:34 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Homosexuality is a chosen behavior with self-destructive consequences.

The hysterical homophobic rantings of William Norman Grigg and his ilk give all thinking conservatives a bad name.

It is self-evident that sexual orientation is not a chosen behavior. Most people know which sex they are attracted to at a very early age... without being told anything by their parents or peers.

Stating that homosexuality is a chosen behavior defies all logic. Given the social stigma attached to homosexuals, one would have to be a idiot to voluntarily choose this lifestyle.

Grigg highlights many serious problems with the public schools, but to begin an article with faulty logic seriously undermines his credibility.

8 posted on 12/03/2003 4:01:46 PM PST by vox humana
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To: vox humana
Given the social stigma attached to homosexuals, one would have to be a idiot to voluntarily choose this lifestyle.

Times they are achanging. In lots of places, it's quite the thing to "realize" one is gay these days. And if you're not, well then, knowing and socializing with gays is the next best thing. It's all so very elite.

While skeptical, I'm open to the idea that some very minor percentage of the population is gay through biological error. I believe the other 99.6% of "gay people" are so only because it's "as seen on TV".

9 posted on 12/03/2003 4:14:50 PM PST by workerbee
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A sad and angry, BTTT
10 posted on 12/03/2003 4:21:30 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I'm goin' to LoganLand!)
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To: scripter
ping
11 posted on 12/03/2003 4:24:26 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: vox humana; onedoug; All
The hysterical homophobic rantings of William Norman Grigg and his ilk give all thinking conservatives a bad name.

I think that's his purpose --

Young people sometimes fall prey to it in early adolescence; the initial repugnance provoked by the vice in many cases yields to fascination and eventually results in addiction.

Please! Let me rephrase that for him:

"It's dangerous to talk about. Just by reading these words, you can begin to feel a fascination, a burning demonic impulse, an un-con-TRO-O-O-O-L-able urge to enjoy the addicive, irresistable, forbidden naughty goodness of delicious secret fun that your parents don't want you to know about yet. You wan it, but you cant have it. You want it, but you can't ha-a-ve it. You WANT it, so BAD, but you can't can't CAN'T .. STOP THINKING ... about it! A compuslion! A craving ... that won't go away. An exciting *itch* that gets worse the more you *scratch it*, so you *scratch it more*, but then it feels even better to *scratch it*....oh God, oh no ... aaah ... aaah ... HELP!"

My perception of Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality runs along the same lines.

Is there an existing term for this particular form of propaganda?

12 posted on 12/03/2003 4:48:09 PM PST by Yeti
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To: Yeti
Is there an existing term for this particular form of propaganda?

If you feel that the the deconstrution of Western civilization should not be fought, then you'll be fought, at least here.

13 posted on 12/03/2003 5:16:32 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks for the ping. This one sounds familiar - I'll look.
14 posted on 12/03/2003 5:33:07 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: onedoug; All
Okay doug. I guess I'l make my stand right here: I am dead-set against fighting the deconstruction of Western Civilization. I'm an antinondeconstructionist, and proud of it.

"ask me anything!"

15 posted on 12/03/2003 5:37:09 PM PST by Yeti (Sigh.)
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To: vox humana
It is self-evident that sexual orientation is not a chosen behavior. Most people know which sex they are attracted to at a very early age... without being told anything by their parents or peers. [ other stuff deleted ]

Actually, you're wrong and your using choice incorrectly. It's a little difficult to explain... The experts state the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. You can read what they say here. Or you read what I consider to be a good summary of the issues:

There have been quite a few studies on genetics and homosexuality. All of them have demonstrated there is no gay gene, have been discredited, or the text of the article were shown to be completely unrelated to the title of the article. The pro-homosexual bias can be very obvious at times.

Simon Levay has often been touted as having found the gay gene, yet he found no such evidence:

Simon LeVay, in his study of the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men, offered the following criticisms of his own research:
"It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.
All the evidence in support of genetics and homosexuality can be similarly summarized. In regards to the APAs decision to delete homosexuality from the diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association, Simon Levay further stated:
"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

I quote Simon Levay because his work is often used to support something it never supported. Levay is a gay advocate.

What the evidence does support is the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. The fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle further supports the scientific studies.

The following is pulled from here:

...The following is just one of the many developmental pathways that can lead to homosexuality, but a common one. In reality, every person's "road" to sexual expression is individual, however many common lengths it may share with those of others.

(1) Our scenario starts with birth. The boy (for example) who one day may go on to struggle with homosexuality is born with certain features that are somewhat more common among homosexuals than in the population at large. Some of these traits might be inherited (genetic), while others might have been caused by the "intrauterine environment" (hormones). What this means is that a youngster without these traits will be somewhat less likely to become homosexual later than someone with them.

What are these traits? If we could identify them precisely, many of them would turn out to be gifts rather than "problems," for example a "sensitive" disposition, a strong creative drive, a keen aesthetic sense. Some of these, such as greater sensitivity, could be related to - or even the same as - physiological traits that also cause trouble, such as a greater-than-average anxiety response to any given stimulus.

No one knows with certainty just what these heritable characteristics are; at present we only have hints. Were we free to study homosexuality properly (uninfluenced by political agendas) we would certainly soon clarify these factors - just as we are doing in less contentious areas. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the behavior "homosexuality" is itself directly inherited.

There are 11 additional references at the above link which I encourage everyone to read, as it's my opinion the above summarizes the homosexual factors quite well. At this time there are no scientific arguments against the above. Unfortunately we're labeled all kinds of things if we don't just tolerate homosexual behavior, but we're supposed to accept it as valid.

And that's ridiculous. Stop and think about it. Not just tolerate, but accept a behavior that results in severe health hazards. A behavior that can, and should be, changed. The madness must stop. The truth must be told.

16 posted on 12/03/2003 5:45:19 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: workerbee
While skeptical, I'm open to the idea that some very minor percentage of the population is gay through biological error.

Please checkout post 16.

17 posted on 12/03/2003 5:47:02 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mr. Clinton declared, "Children have to be taught to hate. We need to make sure someone is teaching them not to do so."

Who taught the Hollyweird activists to hate, Bill? Are you going to step up to the plate and condemn the hate of the Hate Bush rally, or is that okay?

18 posted on 12/03/2003 5:57:33 PM PST by Lizavetta (Savage was right. Extreme liberalness is a mental disorder)
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To: vox humana
Another threebie heard from; they're thick as flies this year.
19 posted on 12/03/2003 6:16:50 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Yeti
"It's dangerous to talk about. Just by reading these words, you can begin to feel a fascination, a burning demonic impulse, an un-con-TRO-O-O-O-L-able urge to enjoy the addicive, irresistable, forbidden naughty goodness of delicious secret fun that your parents don't want you to know about yet. You wan it, but you cant have it. You want it, but you can't ha-a-ve it. You WANT it, so BAD, but you can't can't CAN'T .. STOP THINKING ... about it! A compuslion! A craving ... that won't go away. An exciting *itch* that gets worse the more you *scratch it*, so you *scratch it more*, but then it feels even better to *scratch it*....oh God, oh no ... aaah ... aaah ... HELP!"

For a moment I thought he was talking about Free Republic. :-)

20 posted on 12/03/2003 7:11:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Lizavetta
Who taught the Hollyweird activists to hate, Bill? Are you going to step up to the plate and condemn the hate of the Hate Bush rally, or is that okay?


Good questions.
21 posted on 12/03/2003 7:16:28 PM PST by Travelgirl
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To: FormerLib
Yeah, leave it to public schools to keep kids away from tobacco but cheer them on as they march towards a future of STD's and AIDS.

Not to mention hepatitis.

22 posted on 12/03/2003 7:31:29 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Young people sometimes fall prey to it in early adolescence; the initial repugnance provoked by the vice in many cases yields to fascination and eventually results in addiction.

Addiction?! Sure.

23 posted on 12/03/2003 7:37:36 PM PST by cruiserman
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To: scripter
Anyone can quote scientific studies to support a particular viewpoint. I tend to take a more pragmatic approach to this subject.

Do you know any heterosexuals who, at an early age, chose the heterosexual lifestyle? Of course not. There was no choice to be made. They were born with an attraction to the opposite sex and there is nothing anyone can do to change that orientation.

If we wanted to cure a person of an addiction to heterosexuality, would that be possible? I don't think so.

In my opinion, most homosexuals are born that way, and there is little that can be done to change their orientation.

Any treatment that represses the homosexual's true feelings is a sham, not a cure.

24 posted on 12/03/2003 7:52:06 PM PST by vox humana
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All
As time goes by, the vile anti-social behavior of Queers steadily gets worse and worse . . . as this current FReeper article demonstrates!!! Therefore, allow me to repeat my own personal rant one more time:

Oak Hay, so I'm very disturbed and continually puzzled about how a small bunch of contrary to nature freaks can destroy our entire civilization. . . BUT DAMMIT, THEY'RE DOING IT !!!

These unsavory and unclean sub-human creatures delight in ramming their urine exhaust pipes into the rectal relief tubes of young boys (and of each other) !!! They brag and crow loudly about their filthy behavior !!! They demand access to our young and innocent children... so they can commit sodomy and oral sex acts upon them!!! Then they scream and holler...

"Homophobe"

... when we seek to save our children from their filthy and immoral activities!!! WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS ONCE-FREE REPUBLIC ??? DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AND MORAL DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM SLIME LIKE THIS ???

25 posted on 12/03/2003 8:27:06 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: cruiserman
I absolutely believe that male homosexuality is, ultimately, an addiction and mental disorder. I'm female, but what would any of you say if you knew I went to single bars a few times a week to actively seek out various sexual encounters with complete strangers? What if you knew I'd had hundreds of these "encounters" over a period of several years without a thought or care regarding my own personal health, safety, or that of my "partners"?? What if I had tried monogamous relationships only to end them in order to seek out new, more exciting partners?

Anyone professing to care about me would urge me to seek professional help, check myself in to wherever Rush was treated, look into drugs to help control my addiction. NO ONE would "celebrate" or "embrace" my lifestyle; instead, it would be seen for what it is: sick and destructive.

Male homosexuality is all about sex -- out-of-control sex. There is nothing normal or healthy about it.

For an EXCELLENT read on this topic, check out James Dobson's book, Bringing Up Boys. It includes an informative and compassionate chapter on homosexuality, and how parents can identify signs of predisposition towards it in their sons. Excellent!!!
26 posted on 12/03/2003 8:31:58 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Beware: the Chip is pissed.)
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To: vox humana
In my opinion, most homosexuals are born that way, and there is little that can be done to change their orientation.

Your opinion is one based on a profound ignorance of the subject. There is no evidence, not even from scientists who are homosexual activists to support your opinion. Please read the articles in the link I listed and read about the homosexuals who have left the lifestyle.

27 posted on 12/03/2003 9:44:46 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Yeti
Ha-ha.

What seems a funny thing now, I want to be, and pray for tomorrow as well. For you and yours. For us all.

28 posted on 12/03/2003 11:01:11 PM PST by onedoug
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To: vox humana
Any treatment that represses the homosexual's true feelings is a sham, not a cure.

In place of "homosexual's" try "kleptomaniac's" or "murderer's." This "repression" talk is antiquated garbage from Sigmund Freud. Homosexuality is a mad behavior with no less profound, though less immediate, antisocial results. It pours a powerful solvent on the glue of family which existed since the days of cavemen, let alone Adam and Eve. Some desires need to be "SUPpressed" if a civil society is not to be torn into shreds.

29 posted on 12/04/2003 8:42:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ChocChipCookie
I got his book out of the library, but only skimmed portions of it. IMO no one chooses his sexual preference. I can't imagine choosing that lifestyle and preferring to be ostracized.
31 posted on 12/04/2003 1:18:43 PM PST by cruiserman
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To: Darkbloom
No "experts" agree on the determining factors. Unless, of course, you get all your information from NARTH, which begins with its conclusion and then seeks anecdotal proof.

Your opinion of Narth is without any supporting evidence, and if you actually read the links I've posted you would know that Narth is one of many sources I use.

32 posted on 12/04/2003 5:27:29 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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