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'Angels in America'miniseries about AIDS(Roy Cohn,Reagan,Mormons,gay fantasia)
The News Tribune ^ | Friday, December 5, 2003 | DIANE DE LA PAZ

Posted on 12/05/2003 4:38:06 PM PST by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay
Meryl Streep (Ethel Rosenberg) - Huh? Washn't she one of the Rosenbergs convicted of sending secrets to Russia?
51 posted on 12/05/2003 9:54:35 PM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Please - you must add Barf Alert!
This was a three bagger.
IOW, "people living with AIDS" are the modern equivalent of saintly hermits in the forest.
52 posted on 12/05/2003 9:58:49 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Remole
Reminds me of this statement I saw earlier today on FR:

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own set of facts."
53 posted on 12/05/2003 10:01:35 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: fight_truth_decay
More leftist agitprop trying to convince Americans that Reagan was the worst evil ever.

All the libs will rant about how great this is, but guess what, like 10 people will watch it.

HBO sucks.
54 posted on 12/05/2003 10:18:34 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: little jeremiah
So what am I supposed to do? I don't care about gay, urban Jews with AIDS. I wasn't there when "they" decided to exchange body fluids....nor was Reagan. I don't care. I'm not thier parents. Play with fire and you can get burnt. Real bad. They can do what they want to do with body fluids. Just don't force me to watch. I don't have too.

It's not against the law to ignore something that is not of my lifestyle.
55 posted on 12/06/2003 12:29:53 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
Yet another reason that I am very happy I don't have a TV, and it isn't against the law not to have one.
56 posted on 12/06/2003 12:40:36 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Heh...good ole "off" button.
57 posted on 12/06/2003 1:05:23 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: fight_truth_decay
Reagan crony Roy Cohn

Back the history truck up here. Cohn was an advisor to McCarthy, not Reagan. Cohn is the reason RFK left McCarthy's staff.

58 posted on 12/06/2003 4:51:29 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I'm not surprised. Boston Pubic is nothing but a liberal sermon in every episode. However, if it is a true representation of the public school system, it is no wonder that kids leave school, dumb as bricks.
59 posted on 12/06/2003 10:46:21 AM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: 3catsanadog
Meryl Streep (Ethel Rosenberg) - Huh? Washn't she one of the Rosenbergs convicted of sending secrets to Russia?

Yes. The Left adores the Rosenbergs for that reason.

60 posted on 12/07/2003 9:45:26 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
More leftist agitprop trying to convince Americans that Reagan was the worst evil ever.
I'm watching this piece'o'crap right now. Pure propaganda. The message is: those who don't love gays are bad people.
61 posted on 12/07/2003 6:12:25 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
And like all propaganda films, it's as boring as shite.
62 posted on 12/07/2003 6:12:57 PM PST by samtheman
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To: EveningStar
I'm watching the Rosenberg part now. Unbelievable. The left still thinks they got a raw deal.

Communist propaganda in drag is still the same old communist propaganda.
63 posted on 12/07/2003 7:31:17 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Yeah, when Reagan wasn't busy making and distributing crack in the inner cities, he was busy infecting innocent gays while they slept alone, by themselves, in their beds at home. He got around pretty well for an old guy!

You couldn't pay me to watch "Angels in America". Not enough money in the world! The only thing worse than it on TV would be to actually sit through the play - which was much longer - I think I heard 8 hours! What a bunch of crap!

But you can search long and hard, and in vain, to find one critical or negative review. The gay SS in Hollywood would slam anyone that dare speak out and call this drek for what it is.

Has anyone thought about writing a play about how Clinton did nothing while bin Laden was killing Americans and plotting 9/11 - and also while CEOs were getting away with fraud on an unprecedented level? And tie it all to the fact that Clinton just didn't care about anything and was the typical baby-boomer and only cared about himself and power, the rest was just for show. "Asleep at the Wheel" is what I will call it - unless anyone comes up with a better name.

Come on my fellow freepers, (keeping it clean!) come up with the name for the Broadway play chronicling the eight years this country had the Rodham/Clintons running the show. Methinks it a far more deserving topic than how Ronald Reagan gave all the gays the AIDS.
64 posted on 12/07/2003 10:42:22 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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I'm watching this problematic presentation right now. One thing that I found disconcerting was that during the advertising that lead up to this show, the title "Angels in America" was played up over a visual of an angel poised mid-air. The graphic was a riviting portrayal of an angel, something that led me to believe that perhaps this was going to be an uplifting movie about angels and their intercession in our lives.

Like so many other times before, this is another instance of the homosexual community and their appologists taking an icon that is dear to the average person, then doing their damndest to destory it's pristene beauty.

Conservatives, read that Republican operatives, are made to look as disgusting as is humanly possible. Not satisfied to just trash Ronald Reagan, the children of Ronald Reagan are mentioned as people needing pitty due to their father's incredible outlook on life and ineptitude. Conservatives are the real culprits here, their actions always under scrutiny. No one else is revealed to be in need of second-guessing their life choices.

Republican actions dating back to the Rosenbergs are connected to Republican operatives, the intent being that they should be held accountable or at least blamed.

This show slips in and out of reality on a number of levels. The halucinations or dream-state sequences are perhaps the least of these. The moments portrayed as reality are as problematic or more troubling than them. This is one twisted self-agrandizing presentation. It can only be appreciated by the 1-2% of the populace that considers itself to be homosexual. The straight community knows better than to take what is being presented as gospel. It's fantasy of the highest order.

My personal beliefs regarding homosexuality aside, I do not dwell on the appropriate nature of homosexuality. I prefer to leave God to his judgement of what is appropriate or not, on behalf of humans. When I run into homosexuals in my daily life, I try to respect them. I do not pretend to know what God truly thinks of them. I figure I have my own set of problems, and I should worry about them.

It is unfortunate that the media in this nation has decided to make homosexuality their cause celeb. If it didn't, I wouldn't confront this issue nearly as much, and that would benefit homosexuals far more than my having ot dwell on the issue.

There are many heterosexual facts of life I do not wish to be passed on to younger humans. It is therefore dismaying to watch what the media seems intent on portraying to them on behalf of appologists for homosexuality.

I look at today's media and can only guess how bad things will be by 2020. Frankly, that thought is startling.
65 posted on 12/07/2003 10:53:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: fight_truth_decay
I think it is time to reissue that old movie classic:

STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF!

66 posted on 12/07/2003 11:10:33 PM PST by ladyinred (The Left have blood on their hands!)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
The demonification of Ronald Reagan is very closely linked with the emptiness of the Gay Agenda. All they care about is themselves and promoting (not protecting, since no
one is attacking them) their precious "life style". In Angels in America, as in nearly all stories involving gays (with the notable exception of the gay brother in the Fisher
family in Six Feet Under), their whole universe revolves around their own stinking sexuality. No other issue matters. Nothing about America matters, other than whether
or not its religiously respectful of the "life-style".

Science doesn't matter, except how it impacts on AIDS. Politics doesn't matter, except how it impacts on "gay rights". International politics don't exist, because then the whole subject of how horribly gays are treated in Islamic dictatorships would have to be addressed. And since that would involve actually thinking about issues and
weighing moral principles, that issue is just completely dropped. There are no Islamic dictatorships in the universe of self-absorbtion that the gays live in. Just
as there are no other diseases but AIDS, and no other crimes but homophobia.

So where does Ronald Reagan fit in this self-obssessed universe? The answer is obvious. You can't talk about ending the Cold War, because that subject says nothing
about homophobia and AIDS and therefore doesn't exist. Likewise with re-building American capitalism. The only subjects that matter in the universe --- gay rights and
AIDS --- are the only yardstick for measuring any human being on earth. And by that yardstick --- according to their own internal spin machine --- Reagan failed.

I lived through the 80s and I followed these issues with some interest, including the issue of AIDS. I remember the early days, when no one knew what the cause of the immune-system breakdown was. It was interesting to read the science in the New York Times and Scientific American as the doctors and researches went after this big epidemiological mystery and following the gradual solution of the puzzle in the news, as the virus was finally discovered and a blood test was developed.

I remember other aspects of the story too. I remember that Reagan was criticized for moving too slowly and that when William F Buckley defended Reagan by saying that
Reagan's slowness to react didn't translate into many deaths, since the early years had fewer deaths anyway, he was displaying a bit of innumeracy that showed his
confusion about how these expanding numbers work.

And I do think that Reagan acted somewhat slowly on the issue. But let's consider everything that was going on at the time, shall we? Let's consider that Reagan was
busy bringing down the Soviet Union and may have been a tad preoccupied. And lets also consider what the gays themselves were doing. All through this epidemic, and into the late 80s, the reporters in Gay communities publicly admitted that these people --- large numbers of these people --- were having sex with up to 1000 different partners a year! These guys --- who didn't give a rats patoot about the Soviet Union and the 50 million people it killed and the fact that Reagan was bringing that Evil Empire to an end --- were busy butt-humping each other at the rate of 1000 partners (strangers) a year.

This incredible statistic is totally forgotten today. You won't see it in the movie The Reagans (which is all about the Gay Agenda and nothing about the Soviet Union) and you want see it in Angels in America, which shows a gay couple in a monogamous relationship, which, if you believe the gay reporters who were writing in the 80s, was about as common then as a Conservative in Hollywood is today.

Let's get this straight: the gays were going to bath-houses all through the epidemic, not using condoms, not listening to the news, not reading the New York Times or Scientific American, not ceasing for a second their relentless butt-pounding hard work at spreading this VIRUS through the HUMAN COMMUNITITY... and yet, it's all REAGAN'S FAULT.

As Larry Elders would say... incredible.
67 posted on 12/08/2003 2:28:27 AM PST by samtheman
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To: DoughtyOne
When I run into homosexuals in my daily life, I try to respect them.
Same here. I do not walk around holding a grudge against homosexuals-as-homosexuals, and until their most recent political exploits (most notably, the whole Gay Marriage initiative) I really didn't give them much thought at all.

But I'll tell you, I'm coming to really detest their political agenda and their propaganda machine. In some ways they are more disgusting than the left, with whom they seem to be mere allies of convenience. What issues do the gays care about outside their own gayness? I've never heard them express any interest in anything other than that.

It's true, Angels in America does through a sop to the left with the deification of Ethel Rosenberg. But I think that's just a sop. The average busy-bee butt-humping gay doesn't know or care who Ethel Rosenberg was.

At least the leftists believe the crap they spin about the environment and socialism. In the gay universe, there is no envirornment or socialism. There is only butt-humping, and those who protect it.

It's not the butt-humping itself that I object to (frankly, as long as there are no children involved, they can engage in shite-eating for all I care), but the politicalization of it, and their disgusting propaganda effort. I'm actually coming to truly detest them. Not for their "life style", but for their lying narcissitic politics.

68 posted on 12/08/2003 2:39:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: DoughtyOne
So - who are the "Angels" that are mentioned in the title? Gays? Or just anyone that is not a mean Reagan-loving American?

I could start a long rant here about libs and gays, but will not.
69 posted on 12/08/2003 6:07:17 AM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Nothing escapes Kushner’s savage eye: America, liberals, conservatives, Nixon, Reagan, Jews, Mormons, African Americans. You name it, he nails it.

Homosexuals?
Lesbians?
Socialists?
Anti-Christian hate mongering bigots?

Looks like there were quite a few groups he chose not to insult.

70 posted on 12/08/2003 6:23:17 AM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Zipporah
Just as Christians were worried about Harry Potter saying the problem was witchcraft .. there is a more insidious message in those movies.

Harry Potter seems to (fudge)pack the double whammy, witchcraft and homosexuality (or even just the latter), to hear some perv activist nitwits tell it:

Children aren’t the only ones who love Harry Potter. The members of NAMBLA are big fans, too — and a long article touted on the home page of the controversial group’s Web site puts forth the argument that the boy wizard is gay.

“Of course Harry is gay,” argues a quasi-academic essay there, which comes complete with 55 footnotes. “He grew up in a closet under the stairs. . . . At school Harry learns to fly, and meets the lovely red-headed Ron Weasley; fairy-boy and tight companion.”

The essay draws on historic and literary references, comparing, for example, Potter’s story with Orestes of Greek mythology. “Orestes, like Harry, was born at Lammas, sent away to be reared by relatives, had a lightening-flash birthmark on his forehead, caused the death of his parents, fought unending magic battles, had a marriage of convenience with Hermione, and was life-long lover of his childhood boyfriend Pylades. In ancient times the Orestes-Pylades story was regarded as the paradigm of masculine love, they were the perfect poofs, and given the continuing coincidence with Harry’s story [author] J.K. Rowling cannot be ignorant of this.”

A spokeswoman for Harry Potter’s publisher did not return calls for comment. MSNBC

71 posted on 12/08/2003 6:32:45 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Steve_Seattle
Discrimination is EVERYONE'S business.
72 posted on 12/22/2003 8:38:42 PM PST by wb76
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To: fight_truth_decay
I wasn't offended. But I guess I'm not part of everyone.
73 posted on 12/22/2003 8:40:20 PM PST by wb76
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