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Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues

Posted on 12/05/2003 6:20:43 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Tempest
You silly little person. Do you think it's caring to leave people open to disease, both mental and physical, or to comprehensively warn them about their lifestyle and it's consequences. Do you think it is also caring when they foist this lifestyle on others all the time lying to them about it and then expect people who do care to be quiet and sit in the corner.

Mel

51 posted on 05/01/2004 2:24:27 PM PDT by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: EdReform
Thanks for alerting me to this - I will ping'em later today!

(Had quite a few additions over the last few weeks, actually since I've been the pinger. Hmmm - the pinger with the stinger!)

I really want to do some studying up of your materials - I've been too busy to read, and with the computer time limited. But now, I can stay up ALL NIGHT and read! Ha ha!
52 posted on 05/01/2004 3:31:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - A very good article on the basic facts about homosexual behavior in an easy to read and understand format, heavily footnoted and in depth.

I've pung this to you all a while ago, but there are newer pinglist people who may not have read it. Check it out, email it out, print it out, hand it out!

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
53 posted on 05/01/2004 8:04:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Bump

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55 posted on 05/02/2004 9:16:35 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Mr. Silverback
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56 posted on 05/02/2004 9:18:01 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: EdReform
Hmmm - comment 54 disappears into the ether. What did it say?
57 posted on 05/02/2004 10:43:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
The comment was pulled before I got back to the thread, so I didn't get to read it.
58 posted on 05/03/2004 5:46:11 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: LiteKeeper

I've used that logic during debates about this subject. It makes sense. If there were such a thing as a gay gene, homosexuals would be extinct by now since they are NOT reproducing (at least in any great number!).


60 posted on 05/18/2004 2:33:21 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: Coleus

BTTT. If only I had this when I was debating someone at NationStates.net over gay marriage...


61 posted on 05/24/2004 1:00:46 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (On The Simpsons, Skinner is the incompetent principal. How fitting that DU Skinner uses that name.)
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To: scripter

Massively informative. This is almost overwhelming.


62 posted on 06/10/2004 4:50:00 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Thanks. Check my profile for occasional updates.
63 posted on 06/10/2004 6:34:30 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Coleus

I didn't have a chance to say this, since I responded to scripter first, but I want to say that this is a throughly well-compiled article. Excellent.


64 posted on 06/17/2004 7:51:29 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: scripter

I also was unaware that the CDC was religion-based.

LOL!


65 posted on 06/17/2004 7:53:35 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Coleus

Ping for future reference.

Teenagers at the local HS think it's 'cool' to be Bi-sexual or homo/lesbi-sexual. This is being copied by a parent to use in sex-ed with her teen children.

THANK YOU to the author. You did a LOT of work and I'm grateful.


66 posted on 12/16/2004 10:29:29 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I'd say something on this tagline, but the truth speaks for itself.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Teenagers at the local HS think it's 'cool' to be Bi-sexual or homo/lesbi-sexual. This is being copied by a parent to use in sex-ed with her teen children. >>

I'm glad you foung this thread helpful. I'm surprised this type of thinking is going on in GA. But then again in Conyers, Georgia a quiet, affluent, suburb of Atlanta had a huge syphilis outbreak which infected 17 residents and forced another 250 to get medical treatment. More shocking was the fact that the outbreak showed itself among teens—even kids as young as 12.

Some of these youths reportedly had as many as 100 sexual partners, and others say they regularly attended sex parties where they’d pair off or gather in groups for quick liaisons—sometimes watching the Playboy channel on cable TV and mimicking the behaviors they saw.


67 posted on 12/19/2004 7:04:13 PM PST by Coleus (I support ethical, effective and safe stem cell research and use: adult, umbilical cord, bone marrow)
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To: Coleus
As time goes by, the vile anti-social behavior of Queers steadily gets worse and worse . . . as this current FReeper article demonstrates!!! Therefore, allow me to repeat my own personal rant one more time:

Oak Hay, so I'm very disturbed and continually puzzled about how a small bunch of contrary to nature freaks can destroy our entire civilization. . . BUT DAMMIT, THEY'RE DOING IT !!!

These unsavory and unclean sub-human creatures delight in ramming their urine exhaust pipes into the rectal relief tubes of young boys (and of each other) !!! They brag and crow loudly about their filthy behavior !!! They demand access to our young and innocent children... so they can commit sodomy and oral sex acts upon them!!! Then they scream and holler...

"Homophobe"

... when we seek to save our children from their filthy and immoral activities!!! WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS ONCE-FREE REPUBLIC ??? DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AND MORAL DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM SLIME LIKE THIS ???

.

68 posted on 01/24/2005 4:49:51 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Coleus; EdReform

Ed Reform, thanks for pinging me to this thread; bookmarked.

Coleus, thanks for all your hardwork it took to put this information together. Kudos to you! What a wealth of information.


69 posted on 01/31/2005 4:03:36 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Coleus; SweetCaroline

Nic - You're welcome!

Coleus - Ditto! Thanks again!

SC- Ping!


70 posted on 01/31/2005 8:30:20 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: little jeremiah

Newer pinglist people ping!


71 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:56 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda RE-Ping! For those who have signed up for the list recently, those who'd like to re-read, and those who want to save basic information for themselves and others.

This article goes over some common myths about homosexuality, states the truth, and is very basic information that unfortunately is not commonly seen in the media.

Good to pass on to others - friends, family, fellow congregants, employees, students, and so on. Also at work, if you won't get fired. Maybe even then.

Let me and DirtyHarryY2K know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


72 posted on 01/31/2005 4:11:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes are what make the world go round.)
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To: bethelgrad

Thanks.


73 posted on 02/01/2005 12:44:41 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Coleus
2. A co-twin study found that men with same-sex partners were 6.5 times as likely as their co-twin to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not explained by mental health or substance abuse disorders. (Herrell, R. et al (1999) "A Co-twin Control Study in Adult Men" Archives of General Psychiatry. 56, 10: 867 - 874.)

I would sure be interesting in knowing how many "co-twins" were a part of this study. I don't know many twins, but none of the ones I've known were unalike in their sexual preferences. Does anyone here know of any?

Really fascinating read, Coleus. Thanks.

74 posted on 02/01/2005 12:52:08 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Coleus

Thanks!


75 posted on 02/01/2005 1:01:21 AM PST by UnChained
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To: Coleus

Coleus, I'm late in hitting the sack, but I've tried finding the original articles from which these were compiled, but can't. Can you give me a link? I would like to send someone to read them at the original source. Thanks so much.

M'bird


76 posted on 02/01/2005 1:44:17 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short

I'm sorry, this is all I have.


77 posted on 02/01/2005 1:56:49 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
I have some questions about this very informative article. The first question concerns this statement:

Homosexual activist groups pressured APA committees to remove homosexuality from the APA’s approved list of disorders. In spite of the long documented history showing that therapists have helped homosexual clients reduce and change their homosexual tendencies, professionals who persist in viewing and treating homosexuality as a changeable condition are labeled unenlightened, prejudiced, homophobic, and unethical.

1) Does anyone know where I might find the "long documented history" showing that therapists HAVE indeed helped homosexual clients reduce and change their homosexual tendencies? Gays are always saying that homosexuality can't be altered because it's "who one is" not "what one does." It would be really handy if I had some evidence that gays have been permanently helped.

Thanks.

78 posted on 02/08/2005 12:30:32 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All

P.S. I noticed in Fast Fact #82 that Throckmorton wrote on article on ex-gays for the APA Journal in 2002; but it no longer appears in the archives of the APA website. Interesting.


79 posted on 02/08/2005 12:42:03 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
Concerning:

There is currently a movement within the APA to normalize pedophilia that appears to be following the same path to legitimization as homosexuality. See Fast Facts#1-3, 4-23,35-40,41-58,77-82

I couldn't find any documentation for this statement in the Fast Facts. Does anyone know anything about the APA trying to normalize pedophilia?

80 posted on 02/08/2005 12:52:32 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
And this:

More than 400,000 Americans have died of AIDS. Most of the infections and deaths could have been prevented by the employment of standard public health practices, which were in place for more than half a century leading up to the inception of the AIDS epidemic. These practices include testing, contact tracing, reporting, and closing of infections sites. These standard practices were all abandoned under intense and unrelenting political pressure from homosexual activists and the AIDS lobby.

3) What is meant by "testing, contact tracing, reporting, and closing of infections sites" as practices that were employed for many years to prevent AIDS?

81 posted on 02/08/2005 12:58:18 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
The bacteria contacted during anal intercourse include Shigella, Entamoeba, Giardia (causes chronic diarrhea), and the bacteria that cause hepatitis A (severe liver damage which can kill), and hepatitis B. Of course, the mostly deadly of all, HIV, is more easily transmitted through anal sex.

4) Are these germs in everybody's rectum (I know, it's a gross question) but don't do any harm if there's no break in the skin, or do these germs only occur---- ug, what I mean is: How do these bacteria get into the rectum?

82 posted on 02/08/2005 1:03:37 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
Fast Fact #45 says: 45. "Individuals from 1% to 3% of the population that are sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children." (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, http://www.frc.org/get/is02e3.cfm)

5. I don't understand this statement; isn't it just saying that Homosexuals commit about 1/3 of the sex crimes against kids? Who is responsible for the other 2/3? (IOW, I don't get the point of this statistic.)

83 posted on 02/08/2005 1:18:29 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Coleus

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84 posted on 02/08/2005 1:19:22 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: EdReform; little jeremiah; scripter; All
Fast Fact #97. Studies of previous civilizations reveal that when a society strays from the sexual ethic of marriage (a union between a male and a female), it deteriorates and eventually disintegrates.

6. Can anyone give examples of civilizations that died because of homosexuality?

85 posted on 02/08/2005 1:29:49 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Coleus
51. A study of 229 convicted child molesters found that "86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual." ( W. D. Erickson, "Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters," Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

How is this a surprise to anyone? Since convicted child molesters are overwhelmingly men, how is it in anyway useful to point out most of the offenders against males would be other males?

We see a lot of creative presentations of data on the anti-evolution side in the crevo threads. I suspect that a close inspection of these points would reveal the same.

86 posted on 02/08/2005 1:54:37 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Mockingbird For Short
You may find some of Dr Throckmorton's research a place to find some of the answers to your questions.

I believe freeper EdReform put a lot of documentation together in revision 1.1 of the categorical index in regards to the APA and pedophilia.

Checkout one section of FR profile and scroll down to the "Dr. Spitzer" and click it for some very useful information on ex-homosexuals.

87 posted on 02/08/2005 8:49:44 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
The stats demonstrate that 2.1% of the population commit about 33% of the sex crimes against children. It's a proportion issue - a small percentage of the population is committing a much larger percentage of the sex crimes against children.

In other words, since homosexuals are 2.1% of the population, if all things were equal (if I may) between homosexuals and heterosexuals, the stats should demonstrate homsexuals commit closer to 2.1% of the sex crimes against children. But they don't - the stats demonstrate homosexuals commit a much larger proportion of the sex crimes against children.

88 posted on 02/08/2005 8:55:32 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
You can find additional information about Dr. Throckmorton and his APA documented here:

Gay-To-Straight Research Published In APA Journal (NARTH)
Should Reorientation Therapy Be Available? -- APA Journal Article Says Yes (NARTH)
Important gay-to-straight research published in APA Journal (Grove City College and FreeRepublic)
APA Journal Article Supports Homosexual Reorientation Therapy (LifeSite)
Important Gay-to-Straight Research Published in APA Journal (Culture and Family)

There should be a link to most of the above from my current FR profile.

89 posted on 02/08/2005 9:04:21 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
On the Pedophilia Issue: What the APA Should Have Known

On Positive Reports of Adult-Child Relationships: Taking a Closer Look

The Problem of Pedophilia

More on the Pedophilia Question

Pedophiles Argue Their Case in the Journal of Homosexuality

Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo

APA Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder...Should Remain Mental Illnesses

The Pedophilia Debate Continues --And DSM Is Changed Again


See also:

APA Pedophilia Report Condemned -- 05/12/1999

WorldNetDaily: APA pedophilia on the march

Is Pedophilia Really Being Normalized?

Fears Grow Over Academic Efforts to Normalize Pedophilia

"Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode

90 posted on 02/08/2005 9:56:13 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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Re: Replies 78 - 85

Pinging for comments and additional documentation.


91 posted on 02/08/2005 10:03:01 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: scripter; Mockingbird For Short

More APA links posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=373#373


92 posted on 02/08/2005 10:07:49 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Coleus; EdReform
In other words at age 21 the GLB (Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual) portion of the cohort has significantly more problems in every category..... deep down in their soul, they know what they do is wrong because it is against GOD'S LAWS. No amount of tolerance or acceptance can make it right.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit Romans 8:1

93 posted on 02/08/2005 10:37:48 AM PST by SweetCaroline (Be still and rest in the Lord; wait for Him and lean yourself upon him... Psalm 37:7)
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To: Mockingbird For Short; EdReform; Coleus
Does anyone know where I might find the "long documented history"

Before you read any of the NARTH stuff you need to start at the beginning.

Sexual Politics And Scientific Logic: The Issue Of Homosexuality

It's a long read and it may take you a few times to get through it, it did me, but you have to understand this before you can go on. Ed probably gave you this along with others but it's important you start here.

Ed, I must have missed your ping the first time.

94 posted on 02/08/2005 11:28:45 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Mockingbird For Short; EdReform; little jeremiah
Does anyone know anything about the APA trying to normalize pedophilia?

Yes; I read about this somewhere....I may have FReepmailed something about this even to little jeremiah and ed reform....it's at or mentioned by a pro-pedophila site...I can't remember the name right now....and won't be able to get more specific information until I get home tonight. Ed or jeremiah.....do you recall the website I FReepmailed you to a few weeks ago?

95 posted on 02/08/2005 11:34:52 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Mockingbird For Short
I couldn't find any documentation for this statement in the Fast Facts. Does anyone know anything about the APA trying to normalize pedophilia?

This is true to an extent. A small number of psychiatrists formally brought it up in the either 2002 or 2003 annual convention but it was aggressively turned down. Homosexuality was and still is in the opinion of many psychiatrists still at the APA paraphilic disorder along with bestiality, pedophilia, transgenderism, etc...

96 posted on 02/08/2005 11:39:44 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: scripter

Oh Scripter, I feel like such a dunce. Now I see!! Thank you.

Also thanks for the links in #87.


97 posted on 02/08/2005 11:45:22 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: nicmarlo

I wonder if you're talking about that man-boy love association. Thanks, Nic.


98 posted on 02/08/2005 11:48:42 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Homosexuality was and still is in the opinion of many psychiatrists still at the APA paraphilic disorder along with bestiality, pedophilia, transgenderism, etc...

Really!? I hope I can run across some documentation on that little fact! Wow.

99 posted on 02/08/2005 11:52:34 AM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short; EdReform; scripter; little jeremiah
Nope, it wasn't NAMBLA....it was something else I think....I'll check when I get home. In the meantime, this article I found might interest you, as well:

A Hundred Years of Pedophilia

...But up to that point the legitimization of pedophilia appears only in innuendo, hidden among general demands that bring it along as implicit consequence.

In 1981, however, “Time” announces that arguments pro-pedophilia are becoming popular among sexual counselors. Larry Constantine, a family therapist, proclaims that children “have the right to express themselves sexually, what means they can or cannot have sexual contact with older people”. One of the authors of the Kinsey Report, Wardell Pomeroy, pontificates that incest “can sometimes be beneficial”.

On the pretext of fighting discrimination, representants of the gay movement are authorized to teach in schools the benefits of the homosexual practice. Whoever opposes them is stigmatized, persecuted, fired. In a book praised by J. Elders, ex-secretary of health of the US (the surgeon general — that same one who makes apocalyptic warnings against smoking), the journalist Judith Levine affirms that the pedophiles are harmless and that the sexual relation of a boy with a preacher can even be a beneficial thing. Really dangerous, says Levine, are the parents, who project “their fears and their own desire for infantile flesh on that mythical molester of children”.....


100 posted on 02/08/2005 11:53:42 AM PST by nicmarlo
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