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A BLAST FROM HEAVEN? (MAJOR IMPACT DISASTER 500 YEARS AGO?)
USNews.com ^ | 8 December 2003 edition | Charles W. Petit

Posted on 12/05/2003 6:43:33 PM PST by Mike Darancette

In 1989, Edward Bryant climbed a point on the southeast coast of his native Australia with a colleague and found an odd jumble of boulders well above the surf. A big wave, he thought, maybe a tsunami from an earthquake, must have tossed them up there. Over the next few years, however, the University of Wollongong geologist explored hundreds of miles of coast and found more signs of wave action, hundreds of feet above the water--too high for any quake-spawned surge.

An astonishing hypothesis of devastation from outer space formed in his mind. It gathered some praise, along with many ferocious brickbats from doubting colleagues. But what may be a geologic smoking gun has now turned up in 1,000 feet of water just south of New Zealand. Columbia University geologist Dallas Abbott has found what appears to be an impact crater 13 miles across, implying that something enormous, maybe half a mile wide, smashed into the crust there.

If further research confirms that the circular depression is a recent crater, it would lend dramatic ammunition to Bryant's controversial scenario: Five hundred years ago or so, as Europe was beginning its colonial explorations, a comet or perhaps an asteroid plunged to Earth seaward of Australia's New South Wales coast. It would have sent mega-tsunamis ripping into nearby islands and Australia, where Bryant has found not just rocks but trees and beach sand hurled far up bluffs and cliffs, along with whirlpool-carved cavities as much as 150 feet across--testimony, he says, to the sea's onslaught. At one place, Jervis Bay, waves apparently surmounted a headland 420 feet high. "Only a bolide could do this," says Bryant, using a technical term for a sky-bursting cosmic missile. Geologists know such things can happen--a much bigger impact is believed to have ended the reign of the dinosaurs--but no such catastrophe is known in recorded history.

People would notice something like that. Sure enough, Bryant found recorded tales from Australian aborigines and New Zealand's Maori people recounting how, not long before the arrival of Europeans, the sky heaved and split, stars fell, and immense floods swept the land. Aborigine tales told of a huge, disintegrating ball of blue fire shooting overhead. Around 1500, Maori people on New Zealand's South Island abandoned the seashore and moved inland. Huge impact-generated waves, Bryant thinks, may have destroyed not only their villages but also beds of shellfish that provided food. "It all added up," he says. "Something big hit the Earth, near here."

In 2001, he published a textbook, Tsunami--The Underrated Hazard, including his circumstantial tale of a missile from space. Some colleagues liked his daring conjecture. "It's a big idea, and it deserves attention," says Victor Baker, a planetary sciences professor at the University of Arizona who has visited Bryant's tsunami sites and believes the signs of gargantuan waves are legitimate. Something has to account for them, he says, "whether or not it is an object into the sea." Others are deeply skeptical of Bryant's evidence and impact scenario.

New Zealand geologist James Goff, a former government researcher, calls Bryant a usually excellent scientist who has "gotten religion" on mega-tsunamis. In a paper just out in the Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, he rips Bryant's thesis apart. Goff for years has honed the idea that tsunamis did indeed sweep much of his island nation around 1500, driving the Maori inland. But he says the waves were of the more ordinary sort that earthquakes generate, a few tens of feet high at most, not what he calls Bryant's "mega-tsunami from hell." He says Bryant has joined events that may have happened centuries apart and mistranslated Maori place names to stress a link with fire and celestial destruction--taking the Maori syllable Ka to mean fire, for example, when Goff says fever is a better meaning.

But Goff wrote his critique before last month's Geological Society of America meeting in Seattle, where Abbott reported her discovery. Early this year, intrigued by Bryant's book, she had pored over topographic maps of the seafloor in the region and found an apparent impact scar on the edge of the continental shelf just south of New Zealand.

When Abbott checked samples that oceanographic expeditions had scooped from the area, she found shattered minerals typical of meteor impacts. A field of tektites--globules of rock that melted and cooled in midair--spreads to the southeast of the crater just as it should from a impacter striking at a low angle from the northwest, the direction Bryant infers from the Australian tales. The crater, which Abbott calls Mahuika after a Maori fire deity, lies in a spot that would send waves against Australia at just the angle Bryant had already calculated. "It's young, almost surely less than a thousand years," she says, judging from the near absence of the sediment that normally builds up on the ocean floor.

"This is pretty exciting if the story holds up," says Steven Ward, a geophysicist at the University of California-Santa Cruz, who has a keen interest in comet and asteroid impacts. Goff agrees, but with neither a firm date for the crater nor sure evidence that cataclysmic waves hit New Zealand at the same time as it was formed, "the jury is still out," he says. Abbott hopes to settle the issue by gathering and dating samples of debris. An impact would have scattered material for hundreds of miles, creating a distinctive layer in the New Zealand soil, says Ward.

But even if a giant rock did plunge into the sea 500 years ago, it may not be enough to explain Bryant's catalog of devastation. Ward calculated that an object that leaves a 13-mile-wide crater off New Zealand might send waves washing 100 feet up the Australian coast 1,000 miles away, but not a cliff-scaling 400 feet. Bryant, however, has no doubts. "I don't like to believe it, but we had something mighty big hit out there."

Copyright © 2003 U.S. News & World Report, L.P.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bfr; crater; godsgravesglyphs; impactor

1 posted on 12/05/2003 6:43:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Sabertooth
science ping
2 posted on 12/05/2003 6:47:47 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
you might be interested in this.
3 posted on 12/05/2003 6:48:38 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
MAJOR IMPACT DISASTER 500 YEARS AGO?

You mean back in c. 1504 A.D.? This isn't to say there wasn't, only that it must have been a pretty localized "major disater".

4 posted on 12/05/2003 6:51:39 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Mike Darancette
See also

The Mega Tsunami of 1422 - possible scenario

http://www.1421.tv/pages/evidence/content.asp?EvidenceID=269
5 posted on 12/05/2003 6:52:06 PM PST by bwteim (BWTEIM=Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Mike Darancette; farmfriend; RightWhale
Evidence Of Tunguska-Type Impacts Over The Pacific Basin Around 1178AD

(see post #36)

6 posted on 12/05/2003 6:54:02 PM PST by blam
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To: shaggy eel
*Ping*
7 posted on 12/05/2003 6:54:15 PM PST by PoorMuttly (DO, or DO NOT. There is no TRY - Yoda)
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To: Mike Darancette
New Zealand geologist James Goff, a former government researcher, calls Bryant a usually excellent scientist who has "gotten religion" on mega-tsunamis. In a paper just out in the Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, he rips Bryant's thesis apart.

Reading this I was reminded of Eugene Shoemaker, who I understand also received a lot of grief for his early work on earth impacts.

8 posted on 12/05/2003 6:56:06 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Mike Darancette
"Ward calculated that an object that leaves a 13-mile-wide crater off New Zealand might send waves washing 100 feet up the Australian coast 1,000 miles away, but not a cliff-scaling 400 feet. "

They found one crater, it's not uncommon for these things to come in swarms. Look for more craters.

9 posted on 12/05/2003 7:01:45 PM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
"you might be interested in this."

Thanks. Please add to the GGG files.

10 posted on 12/05/2003 7:03:03 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; abner; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

11 posted on 12/05/2003 7:06:39 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: bwteim
Excellent article, thanks

The Altiplano in Bolivia. Lake Titicaca is at the top

12 posted on 12/05/2003 7:15:41 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
How about Hudson Bay and the Great Lakes? When you look at a map of that region (to include the large lakes in Canada), it is impossible to believe that anything else caused them. Photos from space indicate a large object breaking up into many pieces prior to impact. That crater is larger than the one off of Yucatan.
13 posted on 12/05/2003 7:24:43 PM PST by 11B3 (Liberalism is merely another form of mental retardation.)
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To: Mike Darancette; All
When did the Little Ice Age start? Could these two events be related? Comments????
14 posted on 12/05/2003 7:28:19 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
"When did the Little Ice Age start? Could these two events be related? Comments????"

Little Ice Age 1350AD - 1850AD. Asteroid/comet impacts into water create a warm and wet climate. Impacts on land create a cold and dry climate.

15 posted on 12/05/2003 7:53:24 PM PST by blam
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To: 11B3
"That crater is larger than the one off of Yucatan."

...and it is very, very old. (humans were not around then)

16 posted on 12/05/2003 7:56:03 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
1000 feet is not very deep, a lot of land matter would be kicked up. Could have been other hits on land. The time frame basically fits give or take a few years.
17 posted on 12/05/2003 7:59:37 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: bwteim
Fascinating site -- more history we were never taught by the Eurocentric education system. The 1421-23 voyages are amazing.
18 posted on 12/05/2003 8:14:23 PM PST by RandyRep
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To: blam
I would like to see his calculations.

Just as an impact on land can hurl ejecta for many miles, a large body landing in 1000 ft of water would eject huge volumes of water into the air in all directions. This enormous mass of water would crash back to earth some distance from the impact site, and may greatly amplify the tsunami that propagates along the surface.

In addition, the crater is on the edge of the continental shelf, and it may have caused a large underwater landslide which would also increase the strength of the tsunami.

Here is a map of the area. Notice the underwater shelf (southwest of the South Island) that drops off dramatically toward Australia to the northwest.

19 posted on 12/05/2003 8:17:48 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: U S Army EOD
I just checked the worldwide tree ring data and 540AD (begin the Dark Ages) is the closest event that affected the climate worldwide.
20 posted on 12/05/2003 8:20:39 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Any idea what caused that? My understanding from history, is the Dark Ages started with the fall of the Roman Empire. I was unaware there were some climatic problems at the same time.
21 posted on 12/05/2003 8:23:45 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: e_engineer
I just looked at this NOAA underwater map of the world and did not see anything unusual around New Zealand. BTW, the water level has been reduced by about 300 feet.
22 posted on 12/05/2003 8:24:35 PM PST by blam
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To: U S Army EOD
Sure. A comet or asteroid.

Did Comets And Asteroids Turn The Tides Of Civilization

23 posted on 12/05/2003 8:32:13 PM PST by blam
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To: U S Army EOD
Theres a reason they were called the Dark Ages...It was dark.

The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined

24 posted on 12/05/2003 8:35:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
That's a nice map, I could not find the crater either.

With respect to the tree ring data, it may be that a deep ocean impact does not inject enough dust into the upper atmosphere to cause the climate changes that would show up in the tree ring data.

It could be that when the impact occurs under water, the ejecta mixes with the water (slowing the ejecta and accelerating the water) and fails to produce the very fine dry dust that could stay aloft long enough to change the climate.

25 posted on 12/05/2003 8:39:33 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: e_engineer
"That's a nice map, I could not find the crater either. "

Take a look at the round images underwater around the Bahamas. I've got some ideas about those that I'll tell you sometime

"With respect to the tree ring data, it may be that a deep ocean impact does not inject enough dust into the upper atmosphere to cause the climate changes that would show up in the tree ring data."

Exactly. The water will keep rushing back in creating more steam...no sun blocking dust veil. The steam will quickly rain out.

26 posted on 12/05/2003 8:55:15 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Blam, Here is the mapquest photo of the Bahamas. Do you mean the rounded areas where the water is deeper?
27 posted on 12/05/2003 9:06:24 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: Mike Darancette
YEC SKEPTICAL INTREP
28 posted on 12/05/2003 9:11:18 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: e_engineer
Can't really compare from that picture but, I think so.
29 posted on 12/05/2003 9:17:02 PM PST by blam
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To: e_engineer
I just had another thought about this possible impact.

A few years ago I read an article about some peculiar sand dunes in an isolated region of Australia. The guy working on the project said that they could have only been formed by a wind that was in excess of 200 mph and speculated that typhoons may have been more powerful in ancient times.

I now wonder if the wind could have come from Tunguska type impacts.

30 posted on 12/05/2003 9:24:19 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Just an interesting note of trivia:

AD 1501 : (EUROPE : LUTHER ATTENDS UNIVERSITY OF ERFURT, EXPERIENCES CONVERSION AFTER 'LIGHTING' STRIKES MORTAL FEAR INTO HIM) Martin Luther attended the University of Erfurt. While studying law at the University of Erfurt in Germany experiences a spiritual conversion.

(As the story goes, he was caught in a lightning storm and in his fear he cried out to God to save him, promising to become a monk... needless to say, his father wasn't thrilled. Looking at the meteoric incident which some believe to have occured around 1500 in the Pacific off of New Zealand... one wonders if the frightened Luther saw mere lightning or perhaps saw a meteor associated with this, something more unusual than just a severe thunderstorm - enough to make a lawyer change his life and become a monk. )

31 posted on 12/05/2003 9:36:36 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa
Must have been a sight.

I'm convinced some of the bibical descriptions are describing asteroid/comet 'flybys' and impacts. I expect it could make anyone religious.

32 posted on 12/05/2003 9:53:13 PM PST by blam
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To: Mike Darancette
BTTT
33 posted on 02/06/2004 5:07:59 PM PST by carpio
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To: Mike Darancette
bump to check later...
34 posted on 02/06/2004 10:56:31 PM PST by in the Arena (1st Lt. James W. Herrick, Jr., - MIA - Laos - 27 October 69 "Fire Fly 33")
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