Arnold's first defeat

Sacramento Bee ^ | 12/6/03 | Dan Weintraub

[ambrose]

Arnold Schwarzenegger considers himself a master strategist. But in the heat of his first legislative battle, he seems to have lost sight of what his goal really was. He ended up losing while fighting for something he didn't really need and might not have even wanted. Having morphed from Arnold Schwarzenegger into Gov. Schwarzenegger, he allowed himself to get sucked into the very kind of non-sensical partisan deadlock that, as a private citizen, he used to decry.

[FairOpinion]

Why does it always turn out that the Arnold haters are also the Bush haters, and they have the nerve to lecture to Republicans about what being Republican means.

::::Shaking head:::::

[Reagan Man]

I have no idea what your talking about and its obvious neither do you. I support PresBush in the WoT, homeland security and find his tax cuts to be the right policy. I do not support increasing the size of the federal government to the tune of $400 billion. But it's understandable, we're on different sides of this issue. I'm a fiscal conservative and you are a centrist RINO, the ultimate political fencesitter.

>>>::::Shaking head:::::

I would say shaking your head must be difficult, considering where you have it stuck these days.

[Lancey Howard]

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[Lancey Howard]

I hate Bush haters.

[MinuteGal]

Oh, relax, everyone. The SacBee is trying to make Arnie look like a loser already, so don't fall for it.

Votes are always known and counted before anything comes to the floor. Arnie knew this would go down.

In the political big leagues, all moves are calculated and contingencies, alternatives and counter-moves are always at the ready. He's just laying some groundwork right now.

No one should go wobbly regarding the Terminator. In the end, he has the arsenal.

Leni

[NormsRevenge]

The SacBee is trying to make Arnie look like a loser already, so don't fall for it.

Thank You. I get jumped all over on for posting stuff from time to time, believe it or not. The Sac Bee is the only game in town, can I or others help that.

If we had conservative rags we could use their articles but this is the lay of the land. Some folks would rather see the poster as the enemy and blow smoke to cover their own agendas.

We All need to work toward flushing the rats out in 2004, until that happens, we are just playing parlor games and making Arnie pay the piper in the mean time. I don't have anything against the Gub personally, he sounds like a fun guy and a good family man.

This may, however, be a job more in line for Tom Cruise tho' as he is used to performing in "Missions Impossible". ;-)

[templar]

These are not small government conservatives, by any stretch of the imagination.

Yeah, but all that government spending should make the economy look good in the short run; And the bills will never come due.

[Reagan Man]

That economic policy is liberal Keynesianism and it advocates monetary and fiscal programs by government to increase employment and spending.

I support the conservative supply side policy, that believes tax cuts will stimulate earnings, investment and savings to get the economy to expand.

[pogo101]

Stinky-mento

Please, the technical term is "Ex-cremento."

[Amerigomag]

Arnold is in trouble because he won't let go of "his" programs. Everybody in Sac has got a pet project and Schwarzenegger is no different.

There has been one plan and only one that has made sense from the beginning. No favorites, everybody loses eqally.

Cut the spending across the board. Every body involved takes a temporary pay cut. The cops, the firemen, the teachers, the retirees and the rest of the state employees. The ederly, the infirmed and the children. Less road building, less bridges, less parks and less school books.

For 18 months we all take the hit.

Do it now. Get it over with and get on with our collective lives in a more responsible fashion.

[Tamzee]

More silly spin, from our resident centrist RINO.

You mistake me for a centrist when I am a pragmatist. I would PREFER that Arnold completely strip CA of socialism altogether, fire most government managers and all "feel-good" govt agencies, privitize any government service we can't eliminate, slam through a school voucher program that will kill off public schools, deport EVERY illegal alien immediately and build a 50-foot wall on the border (shoot on sight any humans attempting to cross), disqualify "anchor babies" from US citizenship, pass the death penalty for coyote smugglers, turn down EVERY parole, bring back chain-gangs for felons, eliminate almost all income tax and business regulation, wipe out the CA EPA and decimate the bulk of environmental protection laws, remove all gun control regulation except the criminal check, mandatory Norplant for anyone who has a child and applies for financial assistance, if they still need assistance after 2 months make the parent work for the local garbage authority at minimum wage until they find alternative employment on their own.... and that is just to start.

Doing just fine, thanks, just a tad snowed-in... how are you? ;-)

[pogo101]

Arnold, to Legislature that "defeated" him:

I'll be back.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

This may, however, be a job more in line for Tom Cruise tho' as he is used to performing in "Missions Impossible". ;-)

ROFL!! GOOD Thoughts!

[Consort]

I'm calling it a first hurdle for the time being.

[Reagan Man]

>>>You mistake me for a centrist when I am a pragmatist.

From my conservative point of view, you're a centrist. Call yourself whatever you like. But you're no pragmatist and no conservative either.

>>>I would PREFER that Arnold... and that is just to start.

LOL You can't have it both ways, so stop trying.

[Kay Soze]

I would love to see a "true" conservative like Bush make even a token effort to reduce govt spending.

Ahnold now has to make his case with the people to get out of our current mess and make provisions to not let it happen again.

Bless him that he is so willing to risk getting egg on his face to take up such an impossible position on this financial mess.

Perhaps a some "true" national republicans will learn its ok to fight for your conservative beliefs.

[Tamzee]

There's this guy, see, and he's driving this old clunker. He desperately wants a Ferrari, he DESERVES a Ferrari, he knows it is the absolute best car for his needs. Someone offers him an SUV but he turns it down, despising it for not meeting his standards. He pisses and moans about wanting a Ferrari, makes life pure hell for everyone around him when his clunker abandons him, even struggles financially because he can't keep a job without reliable transportation.

Then there's this OTHER clunker-driving guy, see, who also desperately wants a Ferrari. Someone offers him an SUV and he takes it gratefully, joyfully even... it's so much better than his clunker, life still isn't perfect but it's better than before, he can get to work regularly and save to someday TRADE UP.


1. It's poor logic to assume the second fella prefers SUV's because he is grateful to own one.

2. The second fella will get his Ferrari sooner than the geniusCA who sabotages his own opportunities to achieve it.

3. Maybe you could put the Ferrari on your list to Santy Claus.... California still doesn't have the votes to buy one for you.

[Reagan Man]

Not only a weak anology, but highly condescending. Par for the course. =^)

Like I said, call yourself whatever you like, just don't expect conservatives to view you for other then what you are. You're somewhere between wishy-washy moderate and centrist RINO. You're defintiely no principled, pragmatic conservative and your emotional support for the liberal RINO Arnold Schwarzenegger, has made that very clear. The idea that voting for Arnold the liberal, was the application of rational reasoning --- stopping Davis and Bustamonte from winning --- is actually, the height of irrational reasoning and has more to do with an emotional decision on your part, then anything else. During the recall campaign I tried to debate with you, strictly on the issues, but you obfuscated my attempts, cut off debate and ran for cover. LOL Nothing has changed. So be it.

[Tamzee]

Greetings from Reality!

 

wish you were here...

[Reagan Man]

YOU'RE LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD!

Some day you may wake up, but I doubt it. Hahahahahahaha