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Schwarzenegger Aims to Bypass Lawmakers
LA Times ^ | Dec. 7, 2003 | Peter Nicholas and Joe Mathews

Posted on 12/06/2003 7:51:12 PM PST by FairOpinion

SACRAMENTO — Rebuffed by state lawmakers in an early test of his administration, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will now try to bypass the Legislature whenever feasible and tap into the public support he commands by bringing his agenda directly to the ballot, administration aides said Saturday.

The governor, himself, remained publicly silent about Friday night's defeat of the state spending limit and $15 billion bond measure he had proposed. His aides, however, cast the votes as confirmation that the Legislature is ignoring the message of the Oct. 7th recall vote and the mandate they contend Schwarzenegger won.

That campaign would take to the ballot possibly more than a half-dozen measures sponsored by Schwarzenegger and various groups aligned with him. Included would be a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget and spending cap, and a package of changes in the state's workers compensation system, according to a Schwarzenegger adviser.

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1 posted on 12/06/2003 7:51:13 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
The legislators have not led. We will.

(With apologies to George W. Bush- quotation from 2000 convention speech)
2 posted on 12/06/2003 8:05:30 PM PST by jagrmeister (I'm not a conservative. I don't seek to conserve, I seek to reform.)
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To: jagrmeister
The legislators have not led. We will.

Glad to see Arnold isn't going to let the liberal democrats and the McClinton liberals stop his plan to fix Cali.

3 posted on 12/06/2003 8:17:30 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: FairOpinion
Go for it Arnold, these clowns, (Senate and Assembly) need to be short circuited. They wouldn't listen in the '70s and got prop 13 they aren't listening again, heat up the poker.
4 posted on 12/06/2003 8:20:57 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (/o/o//oo (Oh Nooooooooo... It looks like somebody ran over it!!))
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To: ClintonBeGone
The legislators have not led. We will.

Glad to see Arnold isn't going to let the liberal democrats and the McClinton liberals stop his plan to fix Cali.


Wait! I thought Arnold was gonna roll over each time the Left barked. Isn't that what the principled true believers were telling us scant months back? Oh no! Must be a RINO plot!! </sarcasm>
5 posted on 12/06/2003 8:24:34 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
Heat up the poker and Senate up their Assembly.
6 posted on 12/06/2003 8:40:25 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: Not now, Not ever!
Heat up the poker and Senate up their ASSembly.
7 posted on 12/06/2003 8:40:34 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: FairOpinion
The Terminator is in town. And he's already benefiting other CA Republicans when it comes to fund-raising.
Good to see him come up against the legislature like this. There is no other way.
8 posted on 12/06/2003 8:47:29 PM PST by Jorge
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To: gatorbait
Wait! I thought Arnold was gonna roll over each time the Left barked. Isn't that what the principled true believers were telling us scant months back? Oh no! Must be a RINO plot!!

ROTFLMAO!!!

The ultrapurists must be riled up seeing that Arnold means business!!!

9 posted on 12/06/2003 8:53:10 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember Ronald Regan ? This was his tactic. If he wanted something and the Congress stonewalled him he would go on national TV and explain it and tell the people if you want it then pressure congress to pass it.

God I miss him he was the greatest !

I wish he was still able to speak out. He would have lambasted the Clintons and their ilk.

10 posted on 12/06/2003 8:56:17 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: Newbomb Turk
Arnold is a great admirer of President Reagan.

March 2002 - Arnold with bronze bust of Ronald Reagan he commissioned and donated to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. (He keeps a duplicate in his office at home).

11 posted on 12/06/2003 8:58:13 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Jorge
"The Terminator is in town. "


12 posted on 12/06/2003 8:59:02 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
I guess Arnold really does mean business -go for it!
13 posted on 12/06/2003 9:01:00 PM PST by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!)
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To: El Conservador
The ultrapurists must be riled up seeing that Arnold means business!!!


Doubtlessly so, but ,then, they're riled up about almost anything that fails to pass the litmus test of their juvenile purity. In some ways, I have more sympathy for the Lefties, because they at least are funny (when not in power) The Principled turn on their own(witness Rush bashing threads , not to mention the ongoing attacks on the President) .
14 posted on 12/06/2003 9:01:37 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Enterprise
Thank you! That's about what I had in mind, but could not have expressed it as well.
15 posted on 12/06/2003 9:02:01 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (/o/o//oo (Oh Nooooooooo... It looks like somebody ran over it!!))
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To: FairOpinion
Good for Arnold. Take it to the people! The legislators will be squirming in their seats. LOL!
16 posted on 12/06/2003 9:05:25 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: gatorbait
DU misses you. U uniter U ... what do you know much less care about principles?
17 posted on 12/06/2003 9:25:43 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
DU misses you. U uniter U ...

Grow up, dolt. McClintock stood no chance , despite the constant bleatings to the contrary. Oh yeah, Harry Browne would be doing a MUCH better job than is Bush,Right.
You just proved my point,congratulations;it is YOU who would feel certainly more comfortable amongst the denizens of DU. Delusionals enjoy the company of their own kind.
You speak of principles, managed to spell it right,too,but the only principle you seem to stand for is losing beautifully.I'm sure that those kinds of principles play well in the gulag.Oh yes, the other principle you must stand for is that of the carping martyr. Another means of winning a trip to irrelevance. Good lord, your post is exhausting in its vapidness.

Have a lovely fantasy.
18 posted on 12/06/2003 9:42:41 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
The Principled turn on their own

I've noticed that the farthest from the center on each side of the spectrum seem to despise anyone appearing "moderate" more than those of the opposite side. It's very puzzling... In my mind, those closest to us in philosophy are our natural political allies... instead they are treated as enemies.

19 posted on 12/06/2003 9:47:43 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Tamsey
In my mind, those closest to us in philosophy are our natural political allies... instead they are treated as enemies

Well, you'd think that.Unfortunately, the true believers tend to hold their own to an impossibly high standard that they can never themselves match, but they feel good procliming that philosophy.

Think back to 1992, when the Principled went with Ross Perot.It mattered not to them that Perot had Clinton's hand up his posterior , orchastrating his campaign of spoilage. No, by GAWD! Bush41 lied to them! Bush41 was not pro life,pro gun, pro tin foil hat enough for them. We got the panderbear and her Heinous .No matter, the Principled felt like the pain would be good for us to have rejected their obvious righteousness. In a perverse way, they were right, though they helped re elect Clinton in 96 , by, of course, standing on principle, or was it on their heads? Not to worry, they felt bloody fabulous about their own wonderfulness.

Ah yes,Principle oneself right into the abyss.
20 posted on 12/06/2003 10:11:29 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Tamsey
"I've noticed that the farthest from the center on each side of the spectrum seem to despise anyone appearing "moderate" more than those of the opposite side."

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They rant and rave on the board,then they quietly vote for the likes of Barbara Boxer, as one of the "ultra-conservatives" admitted it on the board.

Arnold and Bush aren't conservative enough, but Boxer, Bustamante and Gore are...
21 posted on 12/06/2003 10:24:23 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: gatorbait
"Ah yes,Principle oneself right into the abyss."

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Hey, you sound almost as frustrated with them, as I am. ;)
22 posted on 12/06/2003 10:25:26 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NormsRevenge
LOL, best to steer clear of these surrender-monkey threads!
23 posted on 12/06/2003 10:29:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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"Fiscal conservative" Arnie got spanked for trying to borrow money to keep a grossly bloated government inflated. And his buttkisser supporters just can't understand why Republican legislators didn't line up behind him and help him do the deed.
24 posted on 12/06/2003 10:34:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: FairOpinion
They rant and rave on the board,then they quietly vote for the likes of Barbara Boxer, as one of the "ultra-conservatives" admitted it on the board.

Arnold and Bush aren't conservative enough, but Boxer, Bustamante and Gore are...


Even better principle hypocrites.That is what makes them nausating in their righteousness and possessed of something less than oatmeal level intellect. By the way, did you note a comment just after yours to mine?
25 posted on 12/06/2003 10:34:16 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: NormsRevenge
By the way, great pics of the President with the NASCAR guys. He really does outshine the moral midgets who attack him,doesn't he?
26 posted on 12/06/2003 10:36:23 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
They just keep proving our point for us, don't they?
27 posted on 12/06/2003 10:36:58 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Lancey Howard
LOL, best to steer clear of these surrender-monkey threads!

Where was France mentioned in this thread? By the way, the memorial to the Corps at Le Bois Belleau is both breath taking and humbling. The French care takers treat it with a reverence you cannot imagine.
28 posted on 12/06/2003 10:39:07 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: FairOpinion
They just keep proving our point for us, don't they?

Seamlessly,too.
29 posted on 12/06/2003 10:39:44 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Kevin Curry
just can't understand why Republican legislators didn't line up behind him and help him do the deed.

Are there enough, in fact , to have accomodated his request?
30 posted on 12/06/2003 10:41:09 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait; FairOpinion
You guys can unglue your lips from Schwarzenegger's ASS anytime now....
31 posted on 12/06/2003 10:41:24 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: ServesURight
You guys can unglue your lips from Schwarzenegger's ASS anytime now....


And you feel free to either remove your head from yours OR , at least, windex your navel.
32 posted on 12/06/2003 10:42:53 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Been there. Rented a Reault and did a two-week castle tour of France with my wife back in '83. Also stayed over at St.Lo and spent a day at Normany. Takes your breath away.
33 posted on 12/06/2003 10:52:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; gatorbait
Make that "Normandy".
34 posted on 12/06/2003 10:54:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Been there. Rented a Reault and did a two-week castle tour of France with my wife back in '83. Also stayed over at St.Lo and spent a day at Normany. Takes your breath away.


You're ever so right,I lived in Verdun as a kid and whenever dad was able ,we'd tour all of that battleground in Alsace. I was going to Southern France regularly, and may do so again, and I have to tell you, the monuments and memorial to Les Americains are heartfelt and well taken care of.

Now, Normandy, I have not yet made the pilgramage .. but then, I soon shall. Wanna check into a 6oth anniversary trip?
35 posted on 12/06/2003 10:56:11 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Lancey Howard
By the way, didn't that Renault scare the socks off of you as much as the French drivers did?
36 posted on 12/06/2003 10:57:09 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
By the way, didn't that Renault scare the socks off of you as much as the French drivers did?

I stopped cursing once I finally made it off of the "Peripherique", the freeway that circles Paris. We have friends who lived near the Eiffel Tower in the 8th (or 7th?) arrondissimo (sp) on the sixth floor of an apartment building, complete with cage elevator and roof deck. (And buildings in Paris don't get much taller than that.) Couldn't beat the (free) rent.

Funny, the other day I stumbled across pictures from that trip, the ones where Denis (our friend and a native of Roen) and I visited Jim Morrison's grave. It was at some famous cemetery in Paris. The grave had a bust of Morrison's head and the mouth was blackened from everybody letting Jim finish their joints. There was a group of German kids there, eating sandwiches and drinking wine. A picnic at Morrison's grave. It took me a while to find out they were from Germany because they spoke better English than the English. (We had also spent some time in London and took the Hovercraft across the channel from Dover. Because of rough waters, we had to take the Sealink ferry back, wife dryheaving all the way for over 5 hours. Fun.)

When we got to the cemetery where Morrison was buried, I asked the guy at the front gate information booth if he knew where Jim Morrison was buried. He gave me a disgusted look and just pointed with his head. Sure enough, I start looking at all the big tombstones around me (most were as tall or taller than me and they were real crowded together) and every few stones had a big "JIM" with an arrow graffitied on it. I just followed the graffiti for a while and voila!, Jim's grave.

37 posted on 12/06/2003 11:18:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I start looking at all the big tombstones around me (most were as tall or taller than me and they were real crowded together) and every few stones had a big "JIM" with an arrow graffitied on it. I just followed the graffiti for a while and voila!, Jim's grave.

Don't you love how the slackers treat one of their gods? UGH..

The A8 in Cote d'Azur is a pretty good road, but driving in Grasse or Draguignan is terrifying..
38 posted on 12/06/2003 11:23:34 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Think back to 1992

I do so, constantly. I was in my mid-20's in 1992, had strong conservative (yep) principles but little actual knowledge of politics. Close friends who were more experienced bashed Bush Sr. endlessly, almost word for word what we are seeing today aimed at Bush, Jr. And we had to "vote for Perot because the GOP abandoned its base".

I did so and regretted it sorely the next day... and for eight long years... regretted it bitterly on 9/11...and still do.

That's why I so vehemently support and vote for the candidate "furthest to the right who can win"... it was a hard lesson.

39 posted on 12/07/2003 12:55:51 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Kevin Curry
Wrong. This whole measure had to do with the spending cap, not the borrowing. Democrats didn't want to consent to such a strong cap, while Republians want a stronger cap. The concern particularly has to do with the ability to declare an "emergency" of any variety to circumvent the cap. CA GOP are boneheads- they should have voted for the bill (it would have failed anyways). Then, they should have exclusively blamed Democrats for risking the bankruptcy of the state. Too bad the GOP here has no political chops. Arnold will likely pull off the coup though by going to the people.
40 posted on 12/07/2003 1:57:09 AM PST by jagrmeister (I'm not a conservative. I don't seek to conserve, I seek to reform.)
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To: gatorbait; FairOpinion
Wait! I thought Arnold was gonna roll over each time the Left barked. Isn't that what the principled true believers were telling us scant months back? Oh no! Must be a RINO plot!!

That's what that phoney conservative loser who ran against Arnold was hoping. It's nice to see McClintock splattered in Arnolds war on liberals. I guess it's fitting to call McClintock collateral damage :)

41 posted on 12/07/2003 5:10:06 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Tamsey
And we had to "vote for Perot because the GOP abandoned its base".

I did so and regretted it sorely the next day... and for eight long years... regretted it bitterly on 9/11...and still do.

That's why I so vehemently support and vote for the candidate "furthest to the right who can win"... it was a hard lesson.


Hard lesson ,hard learned. Where in PA?
42 posted on 12/07/2003 8:19:46 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: ClintonBeGone; FairOpinion
It's nice to see McClintock splattered in Arnolds war on liberals. I guess it's fitting to call McClintock collateral damage :)

Well, the funny part is that the Austrian Oak apparently did not work against Tom Thumb.Looks like McClintock worked against himself.
43 posted on 12/07/2003 8:21:22 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Amazing. You took my comments quite well. Kudos to you.

I'd fit right in at DU (That's a good one.) . LOL (Is dolt really the best you can do?)

Are you on the posse ping list, too?

Those who prize "victory" at any cost, may in the end, hopefully realize that in winning by foresaking basic common sense principle, they have only fought a stalling operation.

Do you not see what is happening here and all across this nation as the leftists work their sordid deeds on infiltration of all social instituions and destabilization of our way of living under the framework of the Constitution? Or is it just more fun to shoot arrows at those you don't understand for whatever reason or are too pure for your taste?

Are the demRats any less powerful today in sacramento? I know you follow the scene out here from your NC location and seem to enjoy being part of the new "in" crowd here at FR that says moderation is the only way to go, but when you start flapping your gums about ultrapurists, you do no one any service in posting such tripe.

Yes, it was fun this year doing the Nascar thread. Thanks. It was especially heartwarming to see the White House extend its open arms to all those who enjoy the action on and off the tracks. And enjoy Supporting Our Troops while doing it.

44 posted on 12/07/2003 8:38:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: FairOpinion
.....it will be up to the people.......

Meanwhile in Athens, tourists visit the Acropolis where in bygone days the government turned over to the rifraff failed to accomplish governernance and brought about failure.
45 posted on 12/07/2003 8:46:30 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: gatorbait
Where in PA?

In the Poconos... it's like living in a Christmas Card ;-)

You noticed my tag? I'm putting that hard lesson to work...

46 posted on 12/07/2003 9:05:47 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: NormsRevenge
I know you follow the scene out here from your NC location and seem to enjoy being part of the new "in" crowd here at FR that says moderation is the only way to go, but when you start flapping your gums about ultrapurists, you do no one any service in posting such tripe.

Well, obviously I do, it exposes you for the death before victory type that you are.We had purists like you ensure we took a leap back into the 18th Century in our governors race. You and all of your idealogical soulmates act and sound like pouty teen aged girls. If it is not your way, you stamp your feet , name call and sulk. You are exhibiting this behavoir in spades.

The NASCAR thing was nice, too bad Dubya isn't pure enough .

47 posted on 12/07/2003 9:07:11 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: FairOpinion
xthen they quietly vote for the likes of Barbara Boxer

If a Freeper admitted to that, he or she should automatically receive a scarlet letter "B" attached to the screenname... it should be a lifelong point of public shame ;-)

48 posted on 12/07/2003 9:12:40 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Tamsey
I do so, constantly. I was in my mid-20's in 1992, had strong conservative (yep) principles but little actual knowledge of politics. Close friends who were more experienced bashed Bush Sr. endlessly, almost word for word what we are seeing today aimed at Bush, Jr. And we had to "vote for Perot because the GOP abandoned its base".

I did so and regretted it sorely the next day... and for eight long years... regretted it bitterly on 9/11...and still do.

That's why I so vehemently support and vote for the candidate "furthest to the right who can win"... it was a hard lesson.

Congratulations!! You've finally been hearded into the final box canyon!!

In a two party system, all that's left to do now is put an ULTRA ULTRA ULTRA socialist up for the dems, and an ULTRA ULTRA socialist up for the Pubs, and you'll vote for the ULTRA ULTRA socialist. After all, you don't want that ULTRA ULTRA ULTRA socialist!!!!!!!!

You go ahead and go gentle into that good night.

Now I know why the politicians call people sheeple.

Hb

49 posted on 12/07/2003 9:30:48 AM PST by Hoverbug
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To: gatorbait
Boy, you are a real jokester, huh? You accuse me of being a Bush Hater? Man, you really do show your colors now.

outy teen aged girls? LOL

You think I'm insulting you? (I can;t speak nor will condone others that may have done so.) But do you really believe your crap?

I feeel your pain in your governor's race. Did they raise your taxes yet?

Ps --- Do you buy your broad brushes by the dozen or by the gross. You sure seem to be handy with wielding one. (Is that an insult too?)

Have a good one, if ya can or try some shooters of metamucil, it does wonders for those who are.. uhh... well, you know. ;-)

50 posted on 12/07/2003 10:13:51 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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