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USC No. 1 -- and plans to stay that way
NCAA lug heads ^ | 12-7-03 | By Ivan Maisel

Posted on 12/07/2003 11:03:50 PM PST by bonesmccoy

LOS ANGELES -- Congratulations, Bud Selig, you're off the hook for the All-Star Game tie.

The baseball commissioner is looking like Winston Churchill next to the six commissioners responsible for concocting a system that prevented the No. 1 team in college football from playing in the national championship game.

"The polls are clear," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "There's not even a question as to who the No. 1 team in the country is."

The Trojans are No. 1, but they will play in the Rose Bowl against No. 4 Michigan. No. 2 LSU and No. 3 Oklahoma will play in the Sugar Bowl for the national championship.

College football will survive that. It will survive a system designed to avoid regular-season rematches that is pitting Florida State against Miami in the Orange Bowl. College football may even survive a system in which the No. 1 team could win its bowl game and be prevented from winning the ESPN/USA Today coaches poll. The American Football Coaches Association signed a contract to award its championship to the winner of the BCS championship game.

(Boy, am I glad we sponsor that poll.)

Carroll had the chance to vote in the poll and turned it down.

"Think about that," Carroll said. "My vote would have gone against us."

On the day that's supposed to set the stage for the autumn version of March Madness, college football embarrassed itself. Between Canes-Noles II and the ban of the Trojans from winning the coaches poll, I can't wait to see what else the BCS simultaneously wants and prevents from happening.

On the day that USC reached No. 1 for the first time since 1981, the Trojans found out that they wouldn't be playing the BCS Championship Game at the Sugar Bowl. They sat quietly as John Saunders of ABC asked Carroll how he felt about not playing in the national championship game.

As if there's only one.

Carroll stated the obvious. Since the No. 1 team is playing in the Rose Bowl, there are two national championship games.

"That's the marketing aspect," Carroll said of Saunders' multiple references. "That's what they've got to do to promote the game. If we're No. 1 and playing against No. 4, a great team like Michigan, I guess I'm marketing, too. But that's what logic tells you."

Carroll isn't greedy. He will take the Associated Press trophy and add it to the others in Heritage Hall. The Trojans have won the AP poll three times. The nuances of split national championships are lost on Carroll's players. There have been 10 splits in the last half-century, most recently between Michigan and Nebraska in 1997. That one helped midwife the current system, which is all the current players know.

"Like Frostee said," said Carroll, referring to defensive end Frostee Rucker, "will we get the crystal football or won't we?"

Rucker referred to the trophy awarded the winner of the BCS championship game. Carroll reassured him.

"We're going to get a real big trophy, Frostee," Carroll told him.

The Trojans watched the selection show Sunday in silence. Their only outward reaction came in an eruption of laughter when Terry Bowden prefaced a question to Oklahoma co-defensive coordinator Brent Venables by saying that Kansas State "pretty much whupped you."

Otherwise, the players sat and watched quietly. Even Carroll got tripped up by the turn of events. Carroll's 14-year-old son Nathan combed the Internet on Sunday morning for news, and informed his father that USC had finished first in both polls.

"I was all fired up about being No. 1," Carroll said. "He said, 'No, you don't get it.'"

Carroll called it "wrong" that the Notre Dame-Syracuse and Boise State-Hawaii games had some effect on who plays in the national championship game. Cornerback Will Poole said he felt slighted by not getting to the Sugar Bowl, but not very much.

"I learned a little about life in general," Poole said. "You can't let a computer make decisions for you. Computers are going to take over. The next thing you know, everybody is going to be out of a job. Computers are going to play football. If you let computers run the world, what are humans going to do?"

The Trojans understand the other pluses. Instead of traveling across the country to play for the national championship, or instead of playing in the Rose Bowl without a chance for the national championship, USC plays in Pasadena with a chance to finish No. 1.

No one has to travel. Freshman tailback Reggie Bush, from the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, sounded relieved because his family will see him play.

"It was shaky whether they would be able to make it to New Orleans," he said. "Now it's just a two-hour drive instead of a very expensive plane ride."

For the USC fans who wanted to go to the Sugar Bowl, consider this: USC would have gotten 16,000 tickets to the Sugar Bowl. The school will get 32,000 to the Rose. The system helped the Trojans, too. If Kansas State hadn't beaten Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship Game, then USC wouldn't be No. 1. The Wildcats gave Carroll his first Trojan loss, in the second game of the 2001 season, and two of the nine losses he has suffered in three years. But nobody loves the Wildcats more than the Trojans.

The USC players will figure out soon enough that as long as they beat Michigan, they've got a pretty good chance of winning the AP national title. Before Carroll dismissed the players Sunday, he said, "Make sure you pass the word. We're the No. 1 team in America right now, boys."

Ivan Maisel is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ivan.maisel@espn3.com.


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BCS = BS

THIS IS SERIES!!!!

1 posted on 12/07/2003 11:03:51 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
Simple computer science term - GIGO.
2 posted on 12/07/2003 11:07:35 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: FormerlyAnotherLurker
Ya gotta wonder if this is correlated to the lack of confidence we should all have in electronic polling/voting.
3 posted on 12/07/2003 11:10:57 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
USC is getting hosed. However, the PAC 10 is weak this year as are SC's nonconference opponents. Hence, their strenth of schedule killed them. BYU & Notre Dame are pathetic this year. Auburn and Hawaii aren't exactly top ten teams. And how in the world did the lose to Cal?
4 posted on 12/07/2003 11:17:25 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
USC deserves a shot for the title against LSU. However, I'm sure that USC is happy they won't have to face the number one defense in the country, a defense that is so swarming they should be outlawed.
5 posted on 12/07/2003 11:22:37 PM PST by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: bonesmccoy
I'm definitely an SC fan now. They deserve to win for getting screwed like this.

Nuke the BCS. Let's go forward to a playoff or backwards to when football people made these decisions, not a bunch of nerds with a Dell.

OU should be odd-man out. They could fix all this by stating that the national title game MUST involve only conference champions (excluding independants).
6 posted on 12/07/2003 11:30:06 PM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: bonesmccoy
"You can't let a computer make decisions for you. Computers are going to take over. The next thing you know, everybody is going to be out of a job. Computers are going to play football. If you let computers run the world, what are humans going to do?"

USC has been terminated.

7 posted on 12/07/2003 11:33:39 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: bonesmccoy
Computers add/manipulate numbers quite well. When some programmer decides how to 'weight' the numbers, it's the programmer ...
D_MN, I just nodded off and lost the thought!
I'm tired so, good night. There was a decent thought there but it's gone.
LOL Maybe tomorrow.
8 posted on 12/07/2003 11:41:12 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: A2J
Let's see. LSU lost to **whom**? Top-10 ranked team, true?

USC lost to **whom**? Unranked team, true?

But, doubtless, USC is the better team by dint of having played powerhouse non-conference opponents such as Hawaii and Notre Dame, right?

If someone supposes that USC, this year, should be in any fashion, computerised or based upon outcomes on the field of play, rated above LSU, then the only question is: What's that someone smoking, and where's DEA when they might (for once) be useful?

9 posted on 12/07/2003 11:43:06 PM PST by SAJ
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To: A2J
LSU being cheated too. If they played USC
they would win and then be number 1 in both polls.
Most likely USC defeats Michigan and threat is a split.

Oklahoma getting to play is a disgrace.
They should take themselves out the championship game
after getting blow out by Kansas State.

Apparently Oklahoma has no class. Boy, that's not
a new story! And I hope LSU runs up the score
on them.
10 posted on 12/07/2003 11:43:41 PM PST by Princeliberty
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To: Richard Kimball
Or effed. Go Tigers; We should be playing USC! OU should be #4.
11 posted on 12/07/2003 11:48:06 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Atchafalaya
With that screen name, why did I suspect you were a Cajun? Since my Horns are out of it, I'm sure enjoying watching the BCS people have conniptions.
12 posted on 12/07/2003 11:52:07 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Atchafalaya
Go Canes! lol...sorry had to throw a vote in for my boys and a whooping they will put on the Noles.
13 posted on 12/08/2003 12:19:26 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: Atchafalaya
Go Tigers

Shouldn't that be "Geaux Tigers?" ;-)

14 posted on 12/08/2003 12:41:23 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: SAJ
Let's examine more closely:

Non-Conf opponents:

USC - W @ Auburn 23-0, W vs BYU 35-18, W vs Hawaii 61-32, W @ Notre Dame, 45-14. Lone loss: 34-31 @ Cal on 9/27.

LSU - W vs LA-Monroe 49-7, W @ Arizona 52-0, W vs Western Ill. 35-7, W vs LA Tech 49-10. Lone loss: 17-9 vs FLA on 10/11.

OKLA - W vs N. Texas 37-3, W @ Alabama 20-13, W vs Fresno St 52-28, W vs UCLA 59-24. Lone loss: 35-7 vs Kansas St on 12/6.

Seems to me as if LSU had by far the easiest non-conf schedule, three home wins against schools just barely in Division I and a road win against the imploding Arizona Wildcats who couldn't even wait for the season to end to fire their head coach.

Oklahoma also has three home wins while in their lone road win they just scraped past an Alabama team that LSU later throttled.

USC's schedule wasn't that tough either but they opened the season shutting out a nationally-ranked Auburn team on the road and also had to beat the Irish in South Bend, a rivalry game that's never easy.

Now, let's look at the loss (something that seems more important than the wins to me). True, USC lost to unranked Cal but it was just by three points on the road in September. LSU lost at home to a highly-ranked Florida team by eight points in October. Oklahoma lost by 28 on a neutral field against a highly-ranked team THIS WEEK.

Clearly, the imposter of the trio is Oklahoma and this is the way both "human polls" saw it. LSU balances a non-conf schedule softer than Charmin with the rigorous SEC schedule while USC and Oklahoma both played a typical yet lackluster non-conference schedule, and dominated their conferences in a down year - except that Oklahoma didn't even win their conference the way LSU and USC did.

USC lost back when Gray Davis was Governor and LSU lost back when Bobby Jindal was ahead in the polls for Governor. Oklahoma lost on Saturday.

A case could be made for all three but clearly USC and LSU are the most deserving with the most compelling cases - conference champions and their lone loss came months ago.
15 posted on 12/08/2003 1:20:23 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: bonesmccoy
with 3 one loss teams some one has to get left out. No way to make it fair. Maybe the real problem is the LACK OF A PLAYOFF. Which, by the way, every other college sport has.

Personally, I've seen all 3 teams play at least once this year and my instinct tells me to rate it Oklahoma-LSU-USC, but...my reason tells me LSU's non-conference was a joke so leave them out. Honestly, LSU's schedule is close to the year BYU was 11-0, and proved how much they didn't belong in a championship.
16 posted on 12/08/2003 1:34:51 AM PST by Agkistrodon
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To: bonesmccoy
Oh, boo, hoo, hoo.

Just more California whining about things that are the result of their own shortcomings.

I don't like Oklahoma a bit, since they are major Texas opponents - especially this year. I really enjoy seeing them lose. I have no particular reason to either like or dislike USC, other than that I occasionally like to poke fun at the granola crowd. But, as much as I like to see OU loose, I have to admit that they were the better team. USC had a much easier schedule than either OU or LSU and probably would not have been in the running, at all, had their schedule had been as tough as that of the other two schools.

But, the key is that the deciding factors were determined long before the season started and programmed into the computer, which is entirely impartial and which rates all factors evenly, unlike humans, who naturally give more weight to what happened yesterday, than something that happened months ago. Coaches, sports writers and in fact, all humans, are susceptible to fading memory and to letting their emotions and personal favorites affect their votes. Fortunately, we have a computer to deal with those human shortcomings. As a result, the Sugar Bowl will be a much better game this year.

A computer weights all factors, exactly as it is told and gives the answer, based only upon those pre-programmed parameters - no favorites, no emotions, no fading memory - just pure facts. Of course, the granola crowd out there in California, always seems to have trouble with facts, when they don't fit their pre-conceived notions.

I know how it feels to have a local team that is almost championship material. I'm from Houston, where we used to watched the Oilers and Astros consistently come up bridesmaids, but never a bride. The granola crowd, on the other hand, can't deal with the fact that USC just wasn't championship material this year, so they will whine about it, in the hope that the NCAA will reprogram the computer to favor them. After all, California is a state that likes set-asides and other preferences for the lower performers.

 

17 posted on 12/08/2003 1:35:04 AM PST by Action-America (Best President: Reagan * Worst President: Klinton * Worst GOP President: Dubya)
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To: Action-America
Ahem-hem...ahem-hem...

Big 12 Championship, Saturday...
Kansas State 35
Oklahoma 7

Rose Bowl...USC, Pac-10 Champs v. Michigan, Big Ten Champs
Sugar Bowl...LSU, SEC Champs v. Oklahoma, Big 12 Runners-up
18 posted on 12/08/2003 2:49:31 AM PST by RichInOC (...and ahem-hem...ahem-hem...Richard Milhous Nixon.)
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To: RichInOC
Why does a team which loses the championship game in its own conference get to play for the NATIONAL championship?
That K-State game is enough to disqualify OU by itself, and thanks for pointing that out.

After watching my favorite team - WSU - get thumped by USC, I was impressed, but how do we know how they'd really match up against other teams unless they played them?

And might not Kansas State have a claim to being the best team in the country at this point in time?
19 posted on 12/08/2003 3:52:39 AM PST by bigcat00
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To: Gamecock

Go Cocks!

Oh, wait....

Nevermind.

20 posted on 12/08/2003 3:57:09 AM PST by Yeti
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